Thrawn vs. Spock

xianseeker · Post by **xianseeker** » 2003-02-11 04:05pm

Thrawn is always shown to be THE master strategist. In the "Hand of Thrawn" duology, the NR constantly makes the statement that Thrawn knows what his oppenent will do before they know. If not for Vader's ruthlessness, Thrawn couldn't have been defeated.

Spock is also superintelligent when it comes to planning. He is often quoting odds and statistics in the midst of situations. Lest someone think that Spock is simply a talented actuary, his applications (especially in the movies, eg, The Undiscovered Country) are masterful.

So my question is, who would win in a battle of strategy, be it space combat, risk, or Age of Empires, Thrawn or Spock?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-11 04:07pm

Thrawn all the way.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-11 04:33pm

xianseeker wrote:Thrawn is always shown to be THE master strategist. In the "Hand of Thrawn" duology, the NR constantly makes the statement that Thrawn knows what his oppenent will do before they know. If not for Vader's ruthlessness, Thrawn couldn't have been defeated.

Spock is also superintelligent when it comes to planning. He is often quoting odds and statistics in the midst of situations. Lest someone think that Spock is simply a talented actuary, his applications (especially in the movies, eg, The Undiscovered Country) are masterful.

Actually, Spock has demonstrated startling incompetence on many occasions. Looking for exhaust gases is hardly as innovative or brilliant as you seem to think, and in "The Arena", I must remind you that he continued to use his tricorder even when it was painfully obvious that the Gorns were targeting his tricorder emissions. Wayne Poe has a whole webpage about Spock's incompetence. And need we go over the Galileo 7, in which Spock believed that the use of warning shots would drive off a primitive attacker even if they did not cause a single casualty?

So my question is, who would win in a battle of strategy, be it space combat, risk, or Age of Empires, Thrawn or Spock?

Thrawn massacres Spock.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-11 05:14pm

This is a joke.

Right?

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-11 05:27pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:This is a joke.

Right?

If it's not, it will be shortly.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-11 08:03pm

...

one is a science officer.

the other is a decorated and incredible naval officer.

hrm... yes, spock would win *note sarcasm*

Thrawn would win.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-02-11 08:19pm

So my question is, who would win in a battle of strategy, be it space combat, risk, or Age of Empires, Thrawn or Spock?

Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors.... hey hey good game heh....hmmm ...

Hey wouldn't these guy have to know the game mechanics first?
So how about we let these guys have an exhibition match to see what the games are capable of and what you have to do.

Still...Thrawn wins.

Cyaround,
Jason

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-11 08:48pm

Thrawn'll own, big time. I mean, this is the guy who beat one or two dozen of the best of Palpatine's ships with just 6 patrol craft.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-11 09:30pm

would thrawn be as good with a computer game as with irl fleets?

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-02-11 09:49pm

Thrawn. Period.

Sceintists in the Federation seem to be pansies, even considering the ones on a starship.

Imperial naval officers of flag rank however, will tend to be agressive to say the least.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-11 09:49pm

Thrawn. Easily.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-11 10:23pm

Thrawn.

Spock is good, but he is not the same level that Thrawn portrayed in military strategies.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-11 11:10pm

Thrawn assrapes Spock with a jackhammer without lube.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-02-11 11:36pm

If Kirk can outwit Spock in chess, Thrawn would easily see his weaknesses.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-12 12:25am

[redudant]

thrawn whoops spock

[/redundant]

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-12 01:29pm

This is a pretty useless thread, On par with the "Who's Worse" thread where some moron compared Lucas to B&B.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-12 01:56pm

I'm reminded of a poll option in one of the old PSW threads: "Thrawn could beat the Culture with a big stick!"

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-12 02:39pm

Why do people keep trying to come up with Trek characters who could outwit Thrawn on the battlefield? Trek has never tried to create a pure military genius character except maybe Garth of Izar, and even if they did, the stupid writers would fuck it up and we'd have to accept that the Federation's greatest strategist is a stone cold moron because of suspension of disbelief.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-02-12 03:15pm

Thrawn vs Kolrami at Stratagema?

(Giving Thrawn a month to learn the rules, practice, and study Zakdorn art, of course.)

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-12 05:26pm

I would like to see Thrawn vs. Kahn. Now there would be a good one on one fight.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-12 05:29pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:I would like to see Thrawn vs. Kahn. Now there would be a good one on one fight.

Tune in to Starcrossed for details on that one....

Anyways, Thrawn would probably study Spock's ears and derive some brilliant plan from it. He's gotta knack for weird deductions like that.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-02-12 05:56pm

I can see it now.

Spock is going with some completely logical, predictable strategy, and Thrawn does something that leaves all the crew gaping in shock except Spock who just arches an eyebrow and says "Fascinating" right before he dies/gets defeated/whatever.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-12 06:05pm

Ted C wrote:Thrawn vs Kolrami at Stratagema?

(Giving Thrawn a month to learn the rules, practice, and study Zakdorn art, of course.)

Please. Kolrami was asskicked by Data. And the Zakdorns are a bunch of frauds.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-02-12 06:15pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: Please. Kolrami was asskicked by Data. And the Zakdorns are a bunch of frauds.

Oh, I completely agree that the Zakdorns are a joke at real strategy, but Kolrami was reputedly an outstanding Stratagema player. Not very adaptable though. Of course, Thrawn doesn't really have the option of maintaining a stalemate and just outlasting his opponent; he has to eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom, too.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-12 06:20pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:I would like to see Thrawn vs. Kahn. Now there would be a good one on one fight.

Kahn couldn't figure out that space is three dimensional, and he would have got whomped if Kirk had been following regulations.

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