DataPacRat: Descended from kings and gods

[DataPacRat]

DataPacRat, if you want to survive here, learn the following lesson:

If you make a stupid claim, conceed that you are completly wrong and take your claim back.

You made an completly ridicuoulus claim - no one has genealogies that good, it does not really matter if you claim to be descendant from a king or a dirt farmer - you just can not trace it back that far.
But the fact that you claim that special decendance makes it look like you only seek attention - "hey, look, i am special!!"

Perhaps you got that "genealogy" from you parents and never questioned it. Perhaps you are just naive (which can be fixed) instead of stupid (which can't) or a attention-whore (which can, but is not worth the effort).

Just admit that you are completly wrong - it will actually make you look less stupid.

Regards
Fina

Fina, I thank you for your attempt to aid and advise me. However, I recommend that you read my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , after which I hope you will realize that the particular advice you're giving is unnecessary.

Also, in appreciation of your assistance, I offer you a piece of advice in return: you might want to consider switching to Firefox, which can automatically highlight misspelled words entered into textboxes.

[Serafina]

Fina, I thank you for your attempt to aid and advise me. However, I recommend that you read my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , after which I hope you will realize that the particular advice you're giving is unnecessary.

I could call this a start, BUT - it looks way too much like backpedalling.

A clear statement would look like this:

Ok, i realize that my claim was complete bullshit. I admit that i just did not think about what i said, and then tried to defend it.

You don't have to appologize, but you should make a clear statement that you are wrong if you are wrong.
It's called honesty.

Offtopic:

Also, in appreciation of your assistance, I offer you a piece of advice in return: you might want to consider switching to Firefox, which can automatically highlight misspelled words entered into textboxes.

Meh - i do not like spellcheckers.
Why? Well, simply, it detracts from my learning of english (which is not my native language).
I use them for long and important texts, but otherwise, i prefer to do the spellchecking myself.
And yes, i did not do that, since i am somewhat tired and just did not bother.

[DataPacRat]

Fina, I thank you for your attempt to aid and advise me. However, I recommend that you read my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , after which I hope you will realize that the particular advice you're giving is unnecessary.

I could call this a start, BUT - it looks way too much like backpedalling.

A clear statement would look like this:

Ok, i realize that my claim was complete bullshit. I admit that i just did not think about what i said, and then tried to defend it.

You don't have to appologize, but you should make a clear statement that you are wrong if you are wrong.
It's called honesty.

Fina, if, after all I've written, I still can't make it clear to you (or some other people) that I'm not backpedaling, but that I simply never made the claims which they claim I made... there just ain't much more I /can/ say to you, or them, about it. So I hope that you won't take it amiss if I outright ignore your suggestion to retract the claim I never made... and, from now on, simply ignore anyone else who makes similar suggestions based on the same premise. I've only got so many hours a day to read forums, and repeatedly repeating that particular point has, for me, reached the point of diminishing returns.

[Serafina]

It looks like you do, and thats what is actually important - thats what communication is all about.

Do whatever you want, take my advice or not - it's your choice.
I will go to bed now - let's see if that "Redshirt"-title is accurate.

[Aaron]

DataPacRat, take some free advice. Whether you made the claim or not, just concede the issue and move on, before you get dog piled and are the recipient of a Senate thread or something.

[DataPacRat]

DataPacRat, take some free advice. Whether you made the claim or not, just concede the issue and move on, before you get dog piled and are the recipient of a Senate thread or something.

If you can suggest a phrasing in which I would, as you put it, 'concede the issue', while still maintaining my philosophical stance of full honesty in its aspect of not admitting that I said anything which I didn't say, then feel free to come up with it... and then compare it to my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , among my other posts, and decide whether your phrasing actually adds anything substantive to what I've already said. As I said to Fina, I've run out of ways to get the point across.

[Aaron]

If you can suggest a phrasing in which I would, as you put it, 'concede the issue', while still maintaining my philosophical stance of full honesty in its aspect of not admitting that I said anything which I didn't say, then feel free to come up with it... and then compare it to my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , among my other posts, and decide whether your phrasing actually adds anything substantive to what I've already said. As I said to Fina, I've run out of ways to get the point across.

"I concede."

[Thanas]

Oh for gods sake.

You posted a completely copy/paste fake geneology that everyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge would have immediately recognized as fake.

If you meant it as a joke, it was a very poor one and many people did not get it.

If you meant it to be taken even half-serious - which to my mind would be a valid interpretation of you saying the records are a bit sketchy - then you seriously lost it when you entered into that bit with fgalkin. You really screwed up with that post - had you simply said I made it all up/copied it, then the matter would have been dropded. In either case, nobody is at fault here except for you due to your failure of not clearly expressing yourself.

[DataPacRat]

If you can suggest a phrasing in which I would, as you put it, 'concede the issue', while still maintaining my philosophical stance of full honesty in its aspect of not admitting that I said anything which I didn't say, then feel free to come up with it... and then compare it to my post at http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 9#p3173649 , among my other posts, and decide whether your phrasing actually adds anything substantive to what I've already said. As I said to Fina, I've run out of ways to get the point across.

"I concede."

While extremely succinct, without specifying what it is that's /being/ conceded, it seems to be heavily open to misinterpretation.

[Thanas]

^Now you are just trolling.

[Aaron]

While extremely succinct, without specifying what it is that's /being/ conceded, it seems to be heavily open to misinterpretation.

Oh FFS, who cares if it open to misinterpretation? Look at my join date, look at my post count, do you think I have been here this fucking long and haven't run into the same issue you just have?

"I concede" can mean many things to many people on here but only the most dickish would bother to pursue the issue after you type that. 90% of the time people will accept it as the issue being dropped and a couple weeks from now no one will even remember it.

But hey, if your reputation is that important to you after being here less then a month with 16 posts, go nuts.

I've already gotten more involved in this then I set out to do.

[DataPacRat]

<shrugs> If this is a board where the truth does not suffice as an absolute defence, then if it weren't this issue, some other one would quickly result in my appearing before your Senate and banned, or whatever other punishment would end up being levied.

So, I repeat for what I hope is the last time:

The god Zeus ain't real. Therefore, it's impossible that I'm descended from him.


Can I get back to reading through the board's various archives, now?

[Edi]

Yes.

I'd rather not see a repeat of this thread, so it pays to actually try to think about how it looks like to other people when you intend to post something. We don't have ESP, so we only see the text and poor formulation can fuck things up really fast.

That's especially important for new people, since there is no sense of what they are like based on past history, but it wouldn't hurt for many of the longtime members to adhere to it either.

[loomer]

Holy shit, this is hilarious stuff.

But for actual geneology, I'm game. I'd be interested in seeing how far back SDN members can trace their family histories - I know mine back to Sir Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury (and via him all the way back to Sir John Cooper and probably further, but I've never really gone too far back. The 7th earl is far enough for 'holy shit, that's an awesome guy' purposes).

[Singular Quartet]

Depending on which section of the tree, I can trace my own lineage back... maybe three generations? Four? Depends on the line. My mom's got a fairly recognizeable last name, so that goes back a little farther, but my dad's last name is Clark. Good luck finding anything on that one.

[Aaron]

Depending on which section of the tree, I can trace my own lineage back... maybe three generations? Four? Depends on the line. My mom's got a fairly recognizeable last name, so that goes back a little farther, but my dad's last name is Clark. Good luck finding anything on that one.

Same with my grandmother's (maternal), it goes back a good couple centuries from what I recall of the chart she has. My Dad's last name is Kendall, good luck getting any further back then his father, whose parents came from England where it is a very common name.

[Serafina]

Well, one half of my family has no records beyond my grand-grandparents (they have been destroyed during/after WW II), but the other half has quite good records, dating six or seven generations back).

Apparently, no one in my family had any notable education (always the minimum to get a job) until my fathers father - and my grandpa is quite proud that he had such an education (he was a "master craftsman"), and was even prouder whan all his five sons were able to study at a university (biology, law, physics, medicine and again physics).

Now that is something you can be proud of: Raising the standard of living of yourself and your family, despite poor starting conditions.

[Enigma]

I don't know my family's history other than the history of the family name. The name goes back several centuries to Portuguese nobles and few served in the king's court. My uncle jokes that most likely our ancestors were really those whole walked behind the nobles' horses cleaning up their shit as they galloped. :)

[Havok]

if those records can be trusted, she is no farther than being my 121st-great grandmother. Admittedly, that's a pretty big 'if', but in a setting like TSW, who knows?)

Of course, that's just according to the records; in real life, I have strong doubts that either Zeus or Rhea ever existed, while in the Salvation War universe, it's possible that my doppleganger is /much/ more closely related to Rhea.

I'm commenting that those humans who have demons in their family tree have certain unusual properties; I'm asking if anyone who has, instead, Devils or Titans in their tree might have similar, or entirely different, unusual traits.

Oh, I'm in full agreement with all of your points; still, I'm the only person I know of who's done the actual work to look up the records and /trace/ the listed genealogical connections... and thus, it makes for a dandy conversation-derailer whenever anyone starts talking about how great /their/ ancestors are ("You're related to a President. Oh, how cute... I'm the offspring of counts, an Emperor, and a /god/! Muahahaha!")

Emphasis mine.
I mean, really, I can go on, but anyone that doesn't get that this guy is just having a laugh with something he pretty much knows is nonsense, but yet strangely relevant to a lame fanfiction needs to lower their dose of serious pills and stop trying to score 'troll beatdown points' on someone that completely doesn't deserve it and no one needed ESP to figure it out.

[SirNitram]

Honestly, with the 'bloodline' he posted, I would've gone with 'Direct descendent of the Primordial Chaos'. IT's in the list.

LEt's face it, tinkling on women and chasing animal-women? Not the height of civilized behavior.

[Pick]

I just hand-wrote an 8+ page essay in one hour and ten minutes as part of an exam. URRRGH GERMAN HISTORY.

[Havok]

Venting is that way Pick. :)

[DataPacRat]

Honestly, with the 'bloodline' he posted, I would've gone with 'Direct descendent of the Primordial Chaos'. IT's in the list.

LEt's face it, tinkling on women and chasing animal-women? Not the height of civilized behavior.

This is the internet - watersports and furries are some of the /least/ strange things you'll find here.


I'm going to admit that I'm a little surprised that I was jumped on for that genealogy list, rather than the image in my signature - unless everyone here is a lot more of a linguist than I expected, for all any of my accusers know, I've been saying downright /nasty/ things to them in Koboldish. (Note - my signature isn't in Koboldish. If you /can/ figure out what it says, without any further hints from me, I really /will/ be impressed. If you do want a hint or two, PM me.)

[Oskuro]

Fuck you, now I have to craft a genealogy that links me to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Garibaldi]

It's hard to tell if the whole genealogy thing was a whimsical lark or a brilliantly executed test to figure out who's a humorless douche.

If you meant it as a joke, it was a very poor one and many people did not get it.

Yeah, the only people who didn't get it were the ones totally intent on winning some sort of intellectual contest. The tone of the guy's post pretty clearly indicated he thought it was sort of a joke. I'm glad we had you brave defenders of Real History to clear up the fact that 3,000 year old lineages are unlikely to be accurate.

son of Viscount Alain I "le Noir" de Rohan b1085

I hope this guy existed because he sounds like a total badass.