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An update on this thread:

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This Nightline piece is amazing. It's worth watching the two people largely responsible for Willingham's death. It's worth thinking on the fact that John Jackson, the original prosecutor (who, based on Willingham's music choice, believes he killed his kids as some form of devil worship) is now a Texas judge. It's worth thinking on the fact that we have arson investigators who think science doesn't matter.

Texas justice is essentially sorcery, and there will be people who say that we can perfect it, that we can close the loop-holes. They're wrong. The problem isn't with loopholes--it's with us. We are fallible. Conservatives, more than anyone, should know that--it undergirds their entire philosophy. They don't think government can perfect much of anything. What makes them think we can perfect murder? I'd have a lot more respect if they just came out and said, "Yeah, it isn't perfect, but it's a price we should be willing to pay.
We have a prosecutor (now a judge) who has committed cold-blooded murder. He didn't kill Willingham in a fit of anger or by accident, he carefully planned and carried out the murder just like any other assassin. The difference being that even hit-men and "terrorists" aren't sadistic enough to toy with their victims for twelve years before finishing them off. What really shows this killing to be an act of premeditated murder is the way this fucktard of a prosecutor, when asked about his use of steaming horseshit as "evidence", keeps saying that "finders of fact" would agree with it. In other words, if he can sucker a jury into believing it, then he's proved his case! Go to 3:15:



I'm going to leave aside for now that this asshole is a Fetus Christer (Supposedly, Willingham beat his wife when she was pregnant, therefore he was trying to kill his own daughters!) and get to the real issue: whether there was any kind of arson at all. This shitstain admits that the best "evidence" he had was that Willingham was a convict and a fan of Iron Maiden!



Again, he falls back on whether he can sucker a jury into buying his bullshit and seems pleased that he pulled it off. He's no different from a Grand Imperial Wizard who eggs on other Klansmen to carry out a lynching. Which reminds me: The US Justice Department has spent over forty years trying to bring murderers like Byron DeLaBeckwith and Edgar Ray Killen to justice for lynchings and other murders motivated by bigotry and folklore. AG Holder should start a similar investigation into this lynching. It should be much easier, seeing as how the killers aren't hiding behind white hoods and this being a much more recent killing.
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Good for them. Bad taste is a serious crime.



But, seriously, folks...while obviously this specific case is heavily influenced by the ludicrous religiosity of white Texas, this sort of thing is a pretty natural outgrowth of the adversarial system and the election of judicial officials. Of course this sort of system is going to naturally breed zealot prosecutors who see themselves as white-caped crusaders, or spin their cases so that they appear to the public as such. The Duke lacrosse case is another example- obviously while that's not nearly as heinous a case as this one, the mentality of the prosecutors is similar. It's not about justice or truth; it's about vanquishing evil.
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What can I say except I'm glad I don't live in Texas.
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And the appeals courts allowed it to stand. So not only is this person to blame but several others.
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The defence lawyer also apparently believed the man was guilty. He never cross-examined any of the witnesses or questioned anything.
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Ekiqa wrote:The defence lawyer also apparently believed the man was guilty. He never cross-examined any of the witnesses or questioned anything.
And how did this not get raised in the appeals process? That's fucking stupid.
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This is being passed around amongs the Right Wing Nuts.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/dea ... ham899.htm

This part especally

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Two days before Christmas in 1991, Willingham poured a combustible liquid on the floor throughout his home and intentionally set the house on fire, resulting in the death of his three children. According to autopsy reports, Amber, age two, and twins Karmon and Kameron, age 1, died of acute carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of smoke inhalation. Neighbors of Willingham testified that as the house began smoldering, Willingham was “crouched down” in the front yard, and despite the neighbors’ pleas, refused to go into the house in any attempt to rescue the children. An expert witness for the State testified that the floors, front threshold, and front concrete porch were burned, which only occurs when an accelerant has been used to purposely burn these areas. The witness further testified that this igniting of the floors and thresholds is typically employed to impede firemen in their rescue attempts. The testimony at trial demonstrates that Willingham neither showed remorse for his actions nor grieved the loss of his three children. Willingham’s neighbors testified that when the fire “blew out” the windows, Willingham “hollered about his car” and ran to move it away from the fire to avoid its being damaged. A fire fighter also testified that Willingham was upset that his dart board was burned. Willingham told authorities that the fire started while he and the children were asleep. An investigation revealed that it was intentionally set with a flammable liquid. His claims of heroic effort to save the girls were not borne out by his unscathed escape with little smoke in his lungs.

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Except that every major crime lab has determined that it was an electrical fire and the "liquid excellerant" they cite, was in fact the sofa foam rubber. Oh I forgot you don't have to pay attention in class because all the teachers and scientific observation are all just liberal ploys....
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weemadando wrote:
Ekiqa wrote:The defence lawyer also apparently believed the man was guilty. He never cross-examined any of the witnesses or questioned anything.
And how did this not get raised in the appeals process? That's fucking stupid.
I'm surprised he didn't get fired by his client when it was clear he wasn't being represented at all. He probably didn't know you could do that.

This case stinks.
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Stofsk wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Ekiqa wrote:The defence lawyer also apparently believed the man was guilty. He never cross-examined any of the witnesses or questioned anything.
And how did this not get raised in the appeals process? That's fucking stupid.
I'm surprised he didn't get fired by his client when it was clear he wasn't being represented at all. He probably didn't know you could do that.

This case stinks.
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Stofsk wrote: I'm surprised he didn't get fired by his client when it was clear he wasn't being represented at all. He probably didn't know you could do that.

This case stinks.
Now come on Stofsk. Everyone knows that if he were innocent he'd never be arrested for the crime anyways. I mean come on. A prosecutor with a white knight complex using details about someone's personal life and entertainment preferences to convince twelve retards to convict him of murder? That could never happen.

It's too bad that this guy doesn't have any surviving heirs to sue the shit out of the state of texas for this fuck up. As it is, I hope there's some kind of investigation that at least results in all relevant parties being relieved of their jobs, and the morons on the jury being barred from ever serving on another.

Also, I don't see any pictures of the condemmned. Now taking bets on weather or not he was black.......
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Darksider wrote:Also, I don't see any pictures of the condemmned. Now taking bets on weather or not he was black.......
He's white, actually.

I know, I was surprised too. Is it progress that Texas will railroad you to the death chamber regardless of race, just so long as you're poor?
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I used to be more ambivalent about capital punishment, but as the years have passed I've really started to hate the idea, and this pretty much nails why.

Willingham wasn't a saint by any appearances but you just can't justify sending a man to death for "devil worship", no matter how much that cocky asshole of a prosecutor/judge thinks he's right.
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Stofsk wrote:I'm surprised he didn't get fired by his client when it was clear he wasn't being represented at all. He probably didn't know you could do that.

This case stinks.
I was told in an anti-death penalty talk from someone who was freed from death row in the US after being exonerated by DNA evidence that in at least some states any lawyer can be used as a public defendant in death penalty cases, regardless of speciality and/or experience and that the fee structure incentivises them to get the trial done with as quickly as possible. Anyone know if this is true? If so it's deeply disturbing.
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