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WWII's Unclaimed Treasure -- States Battle U.S. For Billions in Lost War Bonds
By David Cho
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 8, 2009

Nearly 70 years ago, the federal government began issuing hundreds of billions of dollars in savings bonds to finance the greatest war effort in the nation's history, with no less than President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who summoned patriotic Americans to "one great partnership," buying the very first.

But the bonds came with a catch: They wouldn't be paid off for 40 years, an unusually long time. As the decades passed after World War II, $16.7 billion worth of bond certificates were either forgotten in dusty attics or thrown out in the trash.

That treasure has remained unclaimed. But now, someone is stepping forward: the states.

A half-dozen state governments have filed a lawsuit against the federal government to get that money. They say the Treasury Department has done nothing to find the original bondholders or their descendants -- not even sending out a letter when it came time for the government to repay the bonds. Moreover, the states say they have laws that empower them to take for themselves whatever goes unclaimed, which would be a welcome infusion of cash at a time of economic distress.

The Treasury has decided to fight back, seeking to keep the states' hands out of its pockets. Oral arguments are expected to begin in the coming weeks in U.S. District Court in New Jersey, where the lawsuit was originally filed.

"It's daunting," said Randall Berger, a partner at Kirby McInerney who is representing the states in the suit. "But the states are doing it because they need the money and because they have these statutes that clearly lay out what happens . . . to unclaimed property."

Spokesmen for the Treasury and the U.S. attorney's office, which represents the department, declined to comment.

The case will largely turn on the issue of where the boundaries are between federal and state power, say lawyers for the states. If the court rules in favor of the U.S. government, the Treasury could keep money it owes to ordinary Americans. But if the states win, they could continue to tap unclaimed U.S. bonds in the future, in effect establishing a new stream of funding from Washington.

Some states, such as California and New York, stand to reap as much as $1.6 billion, according to figures compiled by the states based on federal data. Virginia and Maryland could get more than $300 million each, while the District could get as much as $81 million. The states that have joined the lawsuit are Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, and Oklahoma. More haven't joined because they do not know about it, Berger said.

When the savings bonds were first sold in 1941, the government stressed the patriotic duty of citizens to support the war effort. The Treasury produced radio musicals urging listeners to buy war bonds while broadcast networks enlisted top celebrities to make a similar pitch. Newspaper carriers volunteered to sell bonds along their routes. Well after World War II, the Treasury continued to issue the bonds, though their maturity was reduced to 30 years in 1965.

Because many of the bonds may have been lost over the decades, state officials said they expect that a substantial chunk of the unclaimed money may end up in their coffers if they win the lawsuit. The Treasury kept a list of the original addresses of the bondholders but never tried to contact them, according to court documents filed by the states. But the agency has set up a Web site, TreasuryDirect.gov, to help people figure out whether they or their relatives hold a bond. In many cases, original bondholders died and their rights passed to relatives.

State governments employ staff members who are responsible for matching unclaimed property -- everything from land to checking accounts -- with the rightful owners. But state officials wouldn't purse the bondholders before the federal government provided the unclaimed proceeds. The Treasury balked. A lawsuit was filed in 2004 to settle the matter and, after a lengthy exchange of motions, is now seeing the inside of a courtroom.

In April, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) introduced a bill to have the Treasury pay states $30 for every bondholder they find.

"Senator Rockefeller believes we should return unclaimed bonds to their rightful owners, putting money in the pockets of families during tough economic times," said Rebecca Gale, a Rockefeller spokeswoman. "He introduced this legislation with the support of state treasurers so the states would have a chance to review and find the rightful owners."

But some state officials involved in the suit criticized the measure for not resolving who should get the unclaimed bonds. No companion bill has been introduced in the House.

For now, it appears, it will be up to the federal courts to settle the matter.

In court filings, the states cited the 10th Amendment of the Constitution, which they say gives them the right to be custodians of unclaimed funds.

"It makes more much sense, rather than have the money sit in the Treasury, for Montana to take charge of its part," Montana Attorney General Steve Bullock said. "The savings bonds that were issued starting some 60 years ago weren't there to benefit the federal government if the bonds were unclaimed."

The federal government fired back, arguing that the bonds do not represent unclaimed property and that the states do not have the standing to interfere with a federal contract between a bondholder and the government. Federal attorneys also raised the issue of "sovereign immunity" -- a principle that bars lawsuits against the federal government unless the government allows such suits to go forward. In this case, the government has not given the states permission to sue on this matter.

Such arguments are part of a long legal battle over state and federal powers as old as the United States itself. One of the case filings by the states refers to legal precedence established when American colonists were fighting for independence from King George III of England.

Attorneys for the states say the matter could end up in the Supreme Court, given the constitutional issues at hand.

"In this case, we are talking about the differences in power the framers of the Constitution had in mind between the federal government and the state government," said Berger, the lead attorney for the states.
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Is it too easy to say simply that if the States claim that the bonds are unclaimed, and that the money they represent should go to them, that the States produce evidence of the fact that they are now holders of those bonds?
As in, physically hold them? Otherwise I'd think they own shit, and those bonds still can be claimed at any one time by the people in whose attics they are gathering dust.
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While certainly the States are not the automatic holders of the bonds, it could be argued that the citizens who bought them would. As most of them are probably dead by now, I think this matter could potentially grow into a huge-arse class action. In any case, these are bonds we're talking about; bonds that must be repayed to someone.
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Akkleptos wrote:While certainly the States are not the automatic holders of the bonds, it could be argued that the citizens who bought them would. As most of them are probably dead by now, I think this matter could potentially grow into a huge-arse class action.
This is actually covered in law. It's called "inheretance". Ownership goes to next of kin. Unless all those people that dies had no kin, the states still do not enter into it.
In any case, these are bonds we're talking about; bonds that must be repayed to someone.
Why?
And I don't mean, "Why should the federal government pay up at all", I'm asking "Why should the federal Government pay unclaimed bonds".
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If the people lost the evidence that they owned anything, who are you supposed to pay? The state does not automatically get their property. Their descendants would, except that we don't know who they are.
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I'm curious why bonds don't expire after a while, I have received more than a few checks that said "Void after XX date" on them. I know that a government is a longer lived creature than a corporation, but it strikes me as silly that someone in the year 3000 could cash in a 1945 war bond (assuming the US exists that long).
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Darmalus wrote:I'm curious why bonds don't expire after a while, I have received more than a few checks that said "Void after XX date" on them. I know that a government is a longer lived creature than a corporation, but it strikes me as silly that someone in the year 3000 could cash in a 1945 war bond (assuming the US exists that long).
I guess it's in the very nature of bonds to be payed to the holders.

I wonder if the original bonds had a date where they were supposed to be paid, as opposed to a date where they would expire.
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We have two old bonds from WW2 era that belonged to my grandparents. They are more of a collector item to us now since they are so old. I think one of the other articles I read said not all these bonds are truely lost but some people are holding them for the same reasons we are.
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