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HCR to force schools to give abortion field trips [infodump]

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Michele Bachmann comes up with another hallucination and spouts it off on the House floor.

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Transcript wrote:Rep. Bachmann Warns of Abortion Field Trips

There's something that hasn't been talked about much, and it's the whole idea of school-based clinics in schools all across America, and that's in HR 3200. Now this would raise the hackles on the necks of school parents all across this country. When they understand that Section 2511 of HR 3200, the House government takeover of health care, has a section -- it's called school-based health clinics, and it would allow a nonprofit health agency -- just say Planned Parenthood because that's what this is written for. Again, we need to be serious. Planned Parenthood is an organization that is the largest abortion provider in United States. And written in this bill is a provision whereby Planned Parenthood could become a proprietor for school-based clinics in every school across United States. These have been more accurately called school sex clinics. [...]

Now the federal government is going the final step, and they're saying, "Let's put sex clinics in our schools." Can you believe this, Mr. Speaker? Let's put sex clinics in our school. And let's put Planned Parenthood in charge of our sex clinics because the bill that the school -- under this provision, Planned Parenthood would be authorized to serve as a sponsoring facility for the nation's schools. As a matter of fact, the bulk of this health care bill is scheduled to go into effect in 2013. Remember, all the taxes will start this coming January, Mr. Speaker. Right away, at the time we can least afford it, the taxes will go into place, but the provisions of this bill actually go into effect in 2013. Not the school-based sex clinics. The sex clinics actually would go into effect next summer so that these clinics would appear in public schools next fall. And it would require that the school-based sex clinic would provide on-site access during the school day when school is in session and have an established network of support and access to services with backup health providers when the school is closed. [...]

But parents are going to excluded from Planned Parenthood as they write these clinics because the bill orders that these clinics protect patient privacy and student records. What does that mean? It means that parents will never know what kind of counsel and treatment that their children are receiving. And as a matter of fact, the bill goes on to say what's going to go on -- comprehensive primary health services, physicals, treatment of minor acute medical conditions, referrals to follow-up for specialty care -- is that abortion? Does that mean that someone's 13 year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus that night? Mom and dad are never the wiser.


And again later: (no transcript)



Naturally the media has been talking up the idea just like they did with death panels:



The White House even had to debunk it on it's blog:
Reality Check: Claims that reform will encourage abortions at school “sex clinics” are absurd

Last night Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann questioned health insurance reform, raising the spectre of school-based "sex clinics" that would take students to "have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus that night"

The absurdity of this claim earns high honors from Politifact, a non-partisan research organization.
This isn't exactly a new claim though. Right wing staples like WorldNetDaily and Free Republic have been claiming it for nearly a month, and it's been floating around since at least July 29th.
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Michele Bachmann wrote:Does that mean that someone's 13 year-old daughter could walk into (the school's) sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus that night?
The Media wrote:Conservatives warn that if health care reform passes, will schools be forced to provide abortions without parental consent. Some Democrats dispute this claim. Here now to discuss it are a Dirty Fucking Hippy and someone from a conservative think tank on contract to Blue Cross.
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You know, I'd actually support this if it were real. I mean you have to admit that it would massivley reduce the amount of teen pregnancies.

As an aside what the hell does "sex clinic" mean aside from the obvious fearmongering?
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Samuel wrote:You know, I'd actually support this if it were real. I mean you have to admit that it would massivley reduce the amount of teen pregnancies.
If it were real, it would mean that someone could go and get an abortion within a day of detecting their pregnancy. I can't say I like the idea of people rushing into an elective medical procedure which no doubt carries some risks without at least thinking it over first. That goes for procedures besides abortion incidentally, and for people of all ages.
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Every time I see a headline like "Liberal and conservative bloggers discuss ...", I die a little inside.
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Pity I finished working as a TA at the local Senior Secondary College (years 11 & 12 education, 16,17&18 year old kids) and can't get a photo of the board that was hung out when the "Sexual Health Officer" (not sure of her exact title) was in (3 or 4 days a week).

Large sign, in the walkway running up the middle of campus proclaiming "Get your free 'doms here!"
There was a joke about how Chlamydia isn't a joke but I can't remember it. Seriously, I'm sure the conservative types who don't want this kind of legislation would have a heart attack if they saw all this.
Samuel wrote:As an aside what the hell does "sex clinic" mean aside from the obvious fearmongering?
For the clinic here, (in Australia, no particular standard it adhered to as it's organised by the school with some central support) it was an office which two registered nurses tag teamed staffing for several days a week. You could get free condoms, lollypops (why not) and *I think they were free* pregnancy test kits. You could confidentially^ get just about any kind of medical advice pertaining to sex, sexual infections pregnancy etc, information on government and community support programs for (teen) pregnancy, medical issues, AIDs etc. Big posters of COCKS AND VAGINAS to shock a few, entertain some and along the way hopefully educate. Countless pamphlets and booklets from the government and various support agencies explaining ... well ... everything that needs explaining ... from the life cycle of the pubic crab to the legal specifics of the RU486 drug.
The clinic also doubled up with the Social Worker in providing information/support on some personal/relationship issues of a non-sexual manor (eg alcohol, Rohypnol and other drugs)

^Confidentiality was between the student(s) and the nurse, the nurse could and often did suggest that the student(s) speak with the Social Worker (a shrink). From a staff point of view some information was filtered back to certain staff and particularly the Principal (although the student(s) identity remained separate to whatever issue they saw the clinic about) this was to help explain either students missing from class or other problems as they arose.
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Rep. Bachmann is a good advertisement for the idea that politicians should require psych evaluations before they can serve.
The Saint wrote:Large sign, in the walkway running up the middle of campus proclaiming "Get your free 'doms here!"
Clearly, your attitudes are a little more relaxed than those of Rep. Bachmann.
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Well with the student population and the social area (and general population) the college serves.... fearmongering wouldn't do squat (Claremont College, Tim and Anders will know the place). Humour now........... humour will get you anywhere.

On the whole sexual activity for those under 18 isn't advised and of course it's not actually legal ... the attitude is one of "acceptance that it is going to happen" and that the best found method of dealing with it is to give advice and assistance as required... but oh wait... that almost seems like common sense :?
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Samuel wrote:As an aside what the hell does "sex clinic" mean aside from the obvious fearmongering?
It's exactly the kind of phrasing that speaks to the sort of people who get in a twist at the very mention of anything "sexual" or that is at all pertaining to "sex," no matter how clinical and screamingly un-erotic something like abortion is. Hell, some of these people probably wouldn't have sex at all if it wasn't required for having children of their own.

Though part of me suspects Bachman is a bit of a firecracker in private (as revolting as she is to me personally--putting that thought out of my mind...).
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