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Did anyone look at the text below it, where he responds to "liberal criticism"? I really liked #6, where he said:
One of the things I said to myself from the beginning was the knee jerk reaction some people would have to the painting would be very revealing as to which side they actually stood in the picture. If you don't believe the Constitution was inspired of God, fine. We will agree to disagree.
I'm sure he thinks this is very devastating and cryptically snarky, but I prefer to be on the side of the painting that doesn't think the Constitution was divinely inspired.
Yes, I know. Which is why I was questioning the idea that the left/right sides were intended as some sort of good/evil division.
It's clear from his response (which I just quoted) that he sees the different sides of the picture as representing good and evil, too.
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I'm sure he thinks this is very devastating and cryptically snarky, but I prefer to be on the side of the painting that doesn't think the Constitution was divinely inspired.
What, you want to be on the side with Holywood producers, university professors, reporters and supreme court justices?

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The Spartan wrote:That thing is so fucking stupid that it's physically painful to look at.

I'm not being hyperbolic; I mean that literally.
Maybe that's because you're a demonic hellspawn ?!? :evil:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Oh, the next best thing to an artillery salute as a memorial for Gandhi...let's make the modern soldier a memorial for Martin Luther King, because he was all about violent means to solve disputes...
I don't get why Martin Luther King needs to be presented symbolic to begin with. Is he too hard to paint?
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The Yosemite Bear wrote: There we go, in a few seconds he will be killing a buzzard with his teeth and then rising from the dead ot kill Thulsa Doom the evil black from kenya whose not really the president.....
Of course it it would also suit that the American ultraconservatives would need a guy from Austria to do their dirty work for them...
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Coyote wrote:I liked how the point that made Kennedy "great" is his quote, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country".

But that is SOCIALISM!!!
No it isn't. Quite clearly the artists undertands it in a military sense, as in service for your country = military service (or equivalent) during time of crisis. In general military is the Great Illogical Exception in conservative and even libertarian (in particular minarchist) thinking. Government spending for military purposes is OK even if there are no obvious enemies, because for some reason protecting the citizens from external threats of violence with tax money is more acceptable than for example protecting them from disease and other health problems.
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Marcus Aurelius wrote: No it isn't. Quite clearly the artists undertands it in a military sense, as in service for your country = military service (or equivalent) during time of crisis. In general military is the Great Illogical Exception in conservative and even libertarian (in particular minarchist) thinking. Government spending for military purposes is OK even if there are no obvious enemies, because for some reason protecting the citizens from external threats of violence with tax money is more acceptable than for example protecting them from disease and other health problems.
You can see it in the picture: he made a point of including five different soldiers in the painting. Clearly, it wasn't enough to just show "a soldier, he defends the American people": every war America has ever fought and made a movie about deserves its own special rememberance! Vietnam was clearly just as important as WWII!
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PeZook wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote: No it isn't. Quite clearly the artists undertands it in a military sense, as in service for your country = military service (or equivalent) during time of crisis. In general military is the Great Illogical Exception in conservative and even libertarian (in particular minarchist) thinking. Government spending for military purposes is OK even if there are no obvious enemies, because for some reason protecting the citizens from external threats of violence with tax money is more acceptable than for example protecting them from disease and other health problems.
You can see it in the picture: he made a point of including five different soldiers in the painting. Clearly, it wasn't enough to just show "a soldier, he defends the American people": every war America has ever fought and made a movie about deserves its own special rememberance! Vietnam was clearly just as important as WWII!
Eight by my count.

1. Revolutionary War Solider.
2. White Civil War Soldier. (Can I just say that having him cry is officially the fifth stupidest thing in this damn painting.)
3. WWI Soldier (Having a soldier especially from WWI, but only one to represent WWII, Korea and Vietnam? Sixth stupidest.)
4. WWII/Korea/Vietnam
5. Marine with a flag.
6. Black Civil War soldier (Background between Susan B. Anthony and Franklin.)
7. Modern Soldier (Named the man King in honor of Martin Luther King, but you can't include the actual Reverend? Third stupidest.)
8. F-16 Pilot.

I don't think I missed anyone, but I can't be sure.

Also: Having the college student carrying around that retarded "Thousand Year Leap" polemic makes me think he comes from either Liberty University or Bob Jones. Actually, I'm pretty sure even they wont touch that Mormon claptrap. Fourth stupidest thing in that painting.
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wautd wrote:I don't get why Martin Luther King needs to be presented symbolic to begin with. Is he too hard to paint?
Can't put too many niggers in the mix or they might start getting ideas about living with us white folks.

Seriously, look at that fucking thing. He put in Fredrick Douglass and Harriet Tubman, but put them so far in the back they might as well not be there (and with a generous three sentences of explanation between them). Sequoyah and the black union soldier likewise. He couldn't even be bothered to draw MLK, so he just gave the damn soldier his nametag in what has to be the most laughable "tribute" to the man ever devised. It's like drawing Ghandi as a Space Marine.
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Straha wrote: Eight by my count.

1. Revolutionary War Solider.
2. White Civil War Soldier. (Can I just say that having him cry is officially the fifth stupidest thing in this damn painting.)
3. WWI Soldier (Having a soldier especially from WWI, but only one to represent WWII, Korea and Vietnam? Sixth stupidest.)
4. WWII/Korea/Vietnam
5. Marine with a flag.
6. Black Civil War soldier (Background between Susan B. Anthony and Franklin.)
7. Modern Soldier (Named the man King in honor of Martin Luther King, but you can't include the actual Reverend? Third stupidest.)
8. F-16 Pilot.
I am curious as to why he didn't include the War of 1812, Mexican-American War, Indian Wars or the Spanish-American war soldiers as well. Could it be that they were pretty much shameless land grabs or something?
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In the "responses to liberal criticism", he says this:
One of the most ridiculous criticisms I have read is that I don't have enough minorities in the painting. The way people throw around the word "racist" these days is overkill. From the beginning of the painting I chose to include a variety for ethnicities under the "Strong Americans" category. I also used different races in the background where I could. One of the most important positions in the painting is where the black U.S. soldier is standing. Originally, I had Martin Luther King Jr. here. He was so important for his leadership in the Civil Rights Movement. I removed him because of copyright issues with the King Foundation. Although disappointed, I thought a good substitute would be the soldier.
And some of his best friends are black, too!

I counted the people in the painting. There are 60. Of those, there are two black historical figures (Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman), one American Indian historical figure (Sequoyah), two nameless black people (the Union soldier and the college student), the soldier named King, and a nameless immigrant who may be East Asian (he's the one who's holding up his hand in shock and awe at God's power or wtfever). Look how enlightened he is: he put seven people of color into a painting of 60 people, mostly in the back rows where they're basically unrecognizable. He has almost as many people of color as he has soldiers.

And you're right, Kuja, the "tribute" to King is pretty ridiculous. King was vehemently against the Vietnam War, and was a professional pain in the ass to the Johnson administration about it; why would the artist portray him as a modern soldier? I guess the antiwar activism didn't fit into the artist's milquetoast conception of King, did it?
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Heh, I had to spend a couple of minutes trying to find the black union soldier: he's stuffed deep in the back, along with Adams and other abolitionists, except Lincoln (who is there, apparently, because he was president and led the Union in the civil war).

Obviously, abolitionism and minority rights aren't that important compared to the evil liberal lies about evolution.

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Man, this is getting better and better. It's like he sends a totally different message than what he intended to do.
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He seems to think that "diversity" is about adding token minorities like decoration - the real substance of the painting is lily-white. (Of course, since the majority of the painting is celebrating the patriarchs and movers/shakers of American history, he can be forgiven a little bit - our history is pretty generally racist and lily-white. But I doubt he'd make that argument, since he would like to that past, or at least what he believes it to be.)
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PeZook wrote:Man, this is getting better and better. It's like he sends a totally different message than what he intended to do.
I think it's more the case that he sends exactly the message he intended to, and that's what's so fucking terrifying about these people. Deep down, you know that if they were given the all-clear, they'd be spitting fire and brimstone about all of these little "unintentional" oversights.
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:I am curious as to why he didn't include the War of 1812, Mexican-American War, Indian Wars or the Spanish-American war soldiers as well. Could it be that they were pretty much shameless land grabs or something?
The state of history education is such that many students (represented by the guy carrying a copy of "The Five Thousand Year Leap") are marginally aware that those wars ever happened. American history is the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, the World Wars, then maybe a mention of Vietnam just before summer break starts.
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I think it's more the case that he sends exactly the message he intended to, and that's what's so fucking terrifying about these people. Deep down, you know that if they were given the all-clear, they'd be spitting fire and brimstone about all of these little "unintentional" oversights.
I actually disagree--out-and-out racism a la KKK isn't really socially acceptable these days. But it's perfectly acceptable to have really skeevy racial attitudes and be completely dismissive of people who point this out. I think he's just a clueless white person that thinks this sort of tokenism is sufficient for having a "diverse" painting, like Surlethe said. He puts in the black figures from middle school history class and makes a couple of his Generic American Archetypes people of color and figures he's done.
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Metatwaddle wrote:
I think it's more the case that he sends exactly the message he intended to, and that's what's so fucking terrifying about these people. Deep down, you know that if they were given the all-clear, they'd be spitting fire and brimstone about all of these little "unintentional" oversights.
I actually disagree--out-and-out racism a la KKK isn't really socially acceptable these days. But it's perfectly acceptable to have really skeevy racial attitudes and be completely dismissive of people who point this out. I think he's just a clueless white person that thinks this sort of tokenism is sufficient for having a "diverse" painting, like Surlethe said. He puts in the black figures from middle school history class and makes a couple of his Generic American Archetypes people of color and figures he's done.
Perhaps. It does depend on the person.
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I think the reason that the white civil war soldier is crying is because he's thinking.

"I lost my fucking leg to a cannon defending the Union, and you put me in this travesty? Fuck that I'm going to find a good whore house."
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As the parody entry observes, Christa McAuliffe is no doubt there to pull at heart strings and be the American Martyr in the place of the overdone 9/11 references usually used by these ham-fisted "artists".
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Another thought: why have a black soldier symbolizing Dr. King? There are plenty of other dead people in the image, so why not just paint King himself?
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Alferd Packer wrote:Another thought: why have a black soldier symbolizing Dr. King? There are plenty of other dead people in the image, so why not just paint King himself?
This has already been answered:

First, we (=the racist painter) can't have too many black people in the picture.
Second, it actually perverts the personal goals of Dr. King, since he was anti-war - it's like letting Hitler stand in for Ghandi.
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OK, first thing: the painting is pretty. Yes, it depicts lies and every right-wing self-delusion that is possible, even more. That doesn't mean that as a painting it can't stand on its own merits. Or if you think that its awful as a painting, then say why. I believe that as a painting, its nice. It's message however... well, little could be added that everyone else didn't.

Second thought: Is Jesus wearing gold? The very symbol of excess and greed?

On second thought, I can see why he choose gold, it adds to the gold light, but seriously: wasn't this guy that told you that you should give all your wealth to the needy and poor? That you should live a life fridge-poverty, where you only work to produce what you directly need? Of what the denizens of monasteries tried to archive for hundreds of years (even today, if usually unsuccessfully)?

Third thought: What we have here is a neocon/republican/rural/generally ignorant view of America and his attempt to show it in all of its greatness. The artist is not shy about his opinion, he is quite open to show it, which is part of the artistic license. The fact that he portrays an illogical and historically laughable world-view is not that much so. But what the heck. The guy is clearly incapable of logical reasoning.
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This has already been answered:

First, we (=the racist painter) can't have too many black people in the picture.
Second, it actually perverts the personal goals of Dr. King, since he was anti-war - it's like letting Hitler stand in for Ghandi.
In fact, if you actually read the commentary, he says that he originally painted Dr. King but he had copyright problems with the King Foundation. I think this is more a case of cluelessness than racism. There's no real evidence that the guy is actually a racist.
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I can only really make out the stuff on the far left (Jesus's right). The top line ends as "asher YHWH" which is "blessed YHWH" and the bottom line ends with, I think, "melekh", which would be "king/ruler". I can pick out othe rletters but they're interspersed with stuff I can't make out. Someone with an instinctive understanding of Hebrew could probably do better; I learned it in class as an adult, so I still rely on absolute pattern recognition.

It seems to square with the inscription given when you mouse over the Red Sash (yes, even Jesus's damn belt has it's own entry) about "blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord" which he says is Psalms 33:12. I don't feel like looking it up to verify.

Although I think he may have mis-spelled "melekh". It looks like the last letter is a "khet" rather than a "khaf-sofit". One of the actual native speakers might be able to help more.
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