Yea. THis is entirely normal partisanship. My ass.WASHINGTON - The unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama, a rise in racist hate groups, and a new wave of antigovernment fervor threaten to overwhelm the US Secret Service, according to government officials and reports, raising new questions about the 144-year-old agency’s overall mission.
The Secret Service is tracking a far broader range of possible threats to the nation’s leaders, the officials said, even as it also investigates financial crimes such as counterfeiting as part of its original mandate.
The new demands are leading some officials, both inside and outside the agency, to raise the possibility of the service curtailing or dropping its role in fighting financial crime to focus more on protecting leaders and their families from assassination attempts and thwarting terrorist plots aimed at high-profile events.
“If there were an evaluation of the service’s two missions, it might be determined that it is ineffective . . . to conduct its protection mission and investigate financial crimes,’’ according to a inter nal report issued in August by the Congressional Research Service.
The report, which was provided to the Globe, said such a review should look at how money and staff are allocated, and whether some of the agency’s functions and workers should be transferred to the Treasury Department.
“This is a discussion going on not only in some quarters in Congress, but inside the Secret Service. Should there be a re-look at the mission?’’ said a government official, who like others was not authorized to speak publicly about security matters or reveal details about the number or nature of the threats.
Already, there are signs of strain on the agency, officials said. Budget documents submitted to Congress this year said the agency lacks the necessary technology to keep up with threats.
“The network and mainframe system used today struggles to support basic operations,’’ the agency said, requesting an additional $33 million over last year for computers and other information technology.
Asked about the concerns, Special Agent Edwin Donovan, a Secret Service spokesman, said that though “there is no doubt the protection mission has grown,’’ the agency can still fulfill both its missions.
The financial crimes mission remains robust as well, he added, citing some recent large seizures of counterfeit currency.
The Secret Service, long under the Treasury Department but now part of the Department of Homeland Security, was established in 1865 to thwart counterfeiting, a focus that has expanded to include a host of electronic and financial crimes.
Its mission soon expanded to investigating the Ku Klux Klan and conducting counterespionage operations during the Spanish-American War and World War I.
The job of protecting presidents started in 1894 with Grover Cleveland, who was guarded part time. That role expanded after the assassination of William McKinley in 1901, and it became a crime to threaten the president in 1917. Today, guarding the president and other top officials accounts for most of the Secret Service’s budget, which totals about $1.4 billion per year and continues to grow.
The agency has been directed by Congress to guard what it describes an “unprecedented’’ number of individuals, including presidents, vice presidents, their immediate families, former presidents and vice presidents, and visiting dignitaries - as well as presidential candidates during campaigns lasting longer than ever before.
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The Service currently protects 32 people - 24 full time and eight part time. It also coordinates security at high-profile events, such as meetings of world leaders and political party conventions. Between Oct. 1, 2008, and Sept. 30, the Secret Service said it protected 116 heads of state and 58 spouses.
“The service’s protection mission has increased and become more urgent, due to the increase in terrorist threats and expanded arsenal of weapons that terrorists could use in an assassination attempt or attacks on facilities,’’ according to the congressional report.
The domestic threat is also growing, fueled in part by Obama’s election as the nation’s first black president, according to specialists who study homegrown radical movements.
Obama, who was given Secret Service protection 18 months before the election - the earliest ever for a presidential candidate - has been the target of more threats since his inauguration than his predecessors.
Two days before Obama’s appearance at San Francisco fund-raisers on Thursday, a 59-year-old Northern California man was indicted on charges of sending a racist, profanity-filled e-mail threatening to kill Obama and his family. The rambling e-mail included specific references to Michelle Obama and the phrase, “do it to his children and family first in front of him,’’ according to the indictment.
The Southern Poverty Law Center says that antigovernment militias and white supremacist groups have strengthened in recent years, responding to an increasingly diverse population and what they see as an expanding government.
A center study released in August found a nearly 35 percent growth in racially based domestic hate groups since 2000 - from 602 to 926. The center concluded that opposition to Obama’s election has only increased the phenomenon.
“A key difference this time is that the federal government - the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy - is headed by a black man,’’ the report said. “One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama.’’
Threatening language has also found its way into talk radio broadcasts and social networking websites, raising fears that individuals not normally considered threats to the president could be incited to violence.
For example, the Secret Service in recent months has investigated a poll posted on Facebook about whether Obama should be killed. It has interviewed a Florida radio talk show host after a caller mentioned ammunition, target practice, and the president, and federal officials have raised concerns about several instances in which protesters carrying weapons showed up at Obama events, including a man at an August town hall in New Hampshire.
“The racist extremist fringe is exploiting themes that strike a chord in the mainstream more than we have seen in the recent past,’’ said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino, citing several elected leaders who have questioned whether Obama is a US citizen eligible to be president.
The Secret Service has been given more resources to deal with the changing environment. Its total number of employees has risen from 6,700 two years ago to a projected 7,055 in the new fiscal year that began Oct. 1, with almost all the new positions for the protection mission.
Its overall budget request has grown by several hundred million dollars a year, including a nearly a 20 percent increase since 2008 for so-called protective intelligence activities, the efforts to analyze and investigate threats, according to budget documents.
But a significant share of the agency’s budget still goes to investigating financial and other crimes, including 142 field offices nationwide and 22 overseas that also assist the search for missing and exploited children. A new proposal in Congress would allocate $20 million next year for the Secret Service to expand its role and investigate mortgage fraud.
“The establishment of a single mission, or a distinct primary and secondary mission, for the [Secret Service] is one option for Congress,’’ the congressional report said. “One argument for this is that the majority of the Service’s resources are used for its protection mission, and that Congress has raised the issue of the Service’s competing missions of protection and investigation.’’
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This will be useful to show to the people that were telling me the racist incidents in the news were just outliers and not signs of a larger racist movement inflamed by a black president.
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I'm a little surprised that the secret service only protects 32 people, and only 24 of them full time. I thought it would've been more.
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Yeah, it does seem very OTT and wasteful, but they must informally protect the hundreds of other staff who accompany these 32 VIPs by their overwhelming presence alone and there is the Marine Corps. guard detail to consider as well.
To be fair lunatics are lunatics, the POTUS is a prime target no matter his/her political leanings and party, but a lot of the anti-Obama bile comes across as xenophobic in nature. Allegedly Colin Powell's wife feared that her husband would've been a target for a racist murder if he became President, and he's an Republican. And Ronald Regan actually got blasted.
To be fair lunatics are lunatics, the POTUS is a prime target no matter his/her political leanings and party, but a lot of the anti-Obama bile comes across as xenophobic in nature. Allegedly Colin Powell's wife feared that her husband would've been a target for a racist murder if he became President, and he's an Republican. And Ronald Regan actually got blasted.
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Remember even a minor protection team is a dozen people. The President gets a few hundred at all times.CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm a little surprised that the secret service only protects 32 people, and only 24 of them full time. I thought it would've been more.
As for them splitting they should not. Apparently the second part of the secret service (Tracking down finical crimes) has been a good long term testing ground for new agents who protect the President themselves. Financial crimes being much less exciting then chasing drug runners and breeding the right kind of watchfulness needed in good agents who spend so much time tracking threats against the President.
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What's the obsession with separate departments, anyway? Isn't it more efficient to just fund the SS more so they can do both effectively, than create Yet Another Federal Police Force?
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Well this is disappointing news. My personal opposition is not towards Obama because he's black (half-black, if you want to split hairs) but towards his policies. Just looking at the numbers, it seems that 35% more nuts have come out of the woodwork. What would be nice to know is the quantification of the threat...is it 10 looney-tunes versus 6 on average? 100 vs. 65? 1000 vs. 650? Just how many death threats, on average, does a President receive?
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About a third of what Obama is getting. That's still a lot of death threats, however we seem to have quantified evidence now that right-wingers are roughly three times crazier than left-wingers.Count Chocula wrote:Well this is disappointing news. My personal opposition is not towards Obama because he's black (half-black, if you want to split hairs) but towards his policies. Just looking at the numbers, it seems that 35% more nuts have come out of the woodwork. What would be nice to know is the quantification of the threat...is it 10 looney-tunes versus 6 on average? 100 vs. 65? 1000 vs. 650? Just how many death threats, on average, does a President receive?
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Well double shit. I'm guessing the Secret Service won't reveal exactly how many more threats Obama's getting vs. say Bush, or if they're related to him being black versus him being a Democrat on steroids (my perception), but this is still not a good trend and folks need to calm the fuck down and deal peacefully with objections to the man. We're nowhere near a second civil war or revolution, and since Congress is carrying the water for his policy statements anyway, singling Obama out as the cause of all discontent is counterproductive.
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I was wondering today when the first legitimate attempt on the guy'd be, but I had no idea that the service was dealing with this sheer volume of shit from the right wing.
After some random guy managed to chuck two shoes at Bush, I'm not exactly confident in the secret service, either.
After some random guy managed to chuck two shoes at Bush, I'm not exactly confident in the secret service, either.
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He was in Iraq at a news conference. The reporters were searched before hand and you would agree shoes are not typically considered a weapon. Because of the nature of the press room the SS agents were off to the sides instead of directly in front and behind the President. Also remember said shoe thrower was on the ground even as the second shoe was leaving his hand. Five and a half seconds is a decent response time when they had to push past reporters who were blocking the way to get a better shot of the shoe thrower(Ironically the Press gave him the time he needed to throw both shoes).Tanasinn wrote:I was wondering today when the first legitimate attempt on the guy'd be, but I had no idea that the service was dealing with this sheer volume of shit from the right wing.
After some random guy managed to chuck two shoes at Bush, I'm not exactly confident in the secret service, either.
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As a point of courtesy, the Secret Service is never referred to as 'the SS', but rather USSS (United States Secret Service). I got verbally spanked quite smartly once by an agent speaking at my highschool for doing that.Stark wrote:What's the obsession with separate departments, anyway? Isn't it more efficient to just fund the SS more so they can do both effectively, than create Yet Another Federal Police Force?
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Huh. They're actually DDoSing the Secret Service.
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This is from August this year:Count Chocula wrote:Well this is disappointing news. My personal opposition is not towards Obama because he's black (half-black, if you want to split hairs) but towards his policies. Just looking at the numbers, it seems that 35% more nuts have come out of the woodwork. What would be nice to know is the quantification of the threat...is it 10 looney-tunes versus 6 on average? 100 vs. 65? 1000 vs. 650? Just how many death threats, on average, does a President receive?
More than 30 death threats a day, up at least 400% from Bush.
Unfortunately I can't find the number for previous presidents - it would be interesting to see a comparison of the number of death threats against Republican presidents compared to Democratic presidents.