SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Thanas]

Well, that settles it. I'll therefore cut loose all of my colonies except for the following:
(assuming a 1 means 60000 square kilometers)

- Tsingtao
- western samoa
- New Ireland
- Marshal Islands
- Caroline Islands
- Mariana Islands
- Bougainville
- Nauru
- the coastal strip of Togo
- enough land for naval bases in Tangyanika, Cameroon

Assuming nobody else claimed those.

That should but we well within the 60000 limit.

[Lonestar]

Jesus this is rough prepariing for, between work/school/personal life, I thought we weren't gearing up for SDNW3 for months?

[Steve]

Heh. I suppose I could help you, though I was going to ask if you and Shep might leave a bit of India, in the south, open for Britain to hold.

Pending final agreement with Thanas, I will recognize his claims on New Ireland, Bougainville, Western Samoa, and the Carolines (including Truk Lagoon, which I laid claim to).

I claim a portion of New Guinea to be determined after I calculate the land area as well as the island of Guam in the Marianas, to be purchased or seized from Spain to serve as Cascadia's forward naval base in the Pacific. Also, I still hold claim to Eastern Samoa, known today as American Samoa.

[Setzer]

Why not Sri Lanka? I hear that was an especially profitable colony for the Brits.

[CmdrWilkens]

Okay so I know folks are probably tired of point systems and this one owes a lot to some of Thanas' suggestions but check out this spreadsheet on Google Docs.

I haven't gotten the formating perfect but anyway this system works by making each level cost more or less points based on the level of your other options with certain caps involved. Give it a shot and let me know what you think. I've input a sort of random set of variables that stays under my proposed 50pt limit but I'm not sure how variable this truly is because I've only run a couple of options.

[Steve]

I appreciate the effort, Wilkens, but we already have a system and a lot of people have already drawn up their figures based on that. I'd prefer sticking with it.

[Steve]

Why not Sri Lanka? I hear that was an especially profitable colony for the Brits.

I was going to include that with South India.

[Beowulf]

Yes, that makes for a lot more sense. However, I would still add the size limitations I originally proposed for BBs. Also, the capital ships numbers was included to prevent people from building all-dreadnought navies. For example, someone blowing his entire points on BBs. What I based my scale on was the combined BB, BC and CV tonnage of the royal navy at the end of WWI.

There's still the size limitations inherent in the naval construction system as part of industry. I dislike the idea of explicitly declaring capital ships in rules, since the definition of those are rather hazy, as mentioned earlier, and even then will change as the game progresses (ex: the Alaska class was not considered a capital ship, despite displacing more than some normal battleships, while a coastal battleship might be a capital ship to it's owners, and smaller than other nations cruisers). You could go by the WNT definition, but then a number of pre-dread armored cruisers get labeled as capital ships. In any case, there would be in game and out of game consequences for an all BB force.

[Thanas]

Very well, you have convinced me.

[CmdrWilkens]

I appreciate the effort, Wilkens, but we already have a system and a lot of people have already drawn up their figures based on that. I'd prefer sticking with it.

Fair enough.

[Steve]

Considering the area alloted to me by my 2 points in CT, I've laid claim to what today is called Papua New Guinea, minus New Ireland and Bougainville (which Cascadia recognizes as territories of the German Emperor), the Bird's Head Peninsula of Western New Guinea based around Sorong, and the Biak Islands in Cenderawasih Bay.

I rescind claim to Truk Lagoon in favor of Germany's claim and lay claim upon the islands that make up Palau.

And of course I still claim Hawaii, Wake, Midway, and Western Samoa.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I Think in that case, I'll stick with my claims to parts of Persia, around the straits of Hormuz, Sardinia, and ... somewhere in South East Asia if possible, maybe Singapore (since no one explicitly said that God forsaken island).

[Steve]

I Think in that case, I'll stick with my claims to parts of Persia, around the straits of Hormuz, Sardinia, and ...'

Does anyone claim Gilbatrar?

Britain would have it in this era, though without major Mediterrenean interests might not have it anymore. Though Spain's a pretty strong claimant if Britain doesn't hold it.

OTOH, there is Spanish Morocco?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I Think in that case, I'll stick with my claims to parts of Persia, around the straits of Hormuz, Sardinia, and ...'

Does anyone claim Gilbatrar?

Britain would have it in this era, though without major Mediterrenean interests might not have it anymore. Though Spain's a pretty strong claimant if Britain doesn't hold it.

OTOH, there is Spanish Morocco?

I guess, add the UAE to it. How many points is all that worth? 3? I plan to set up colonies in parts of Iran just for the sake of mining. Not sure where some of those parts are.

[TimothyC]

On a different issue I'm thinking of having a Brazillian Civil War 1897-1904, who would be inclined to intervene on the side of the Republicans against the Revolutionaries? I'm kind of interested since I'm working on a history and I'd like to know if there will be any IC grudges to bear in mind.

The political elite in the South African Union would probably back the Republicans with gold and such.

[Norseman]

Just for the record I like, I really like, the combination of tonnage and hull number restriction, though I would like the tonnage restriction to be expanded to battlecruisers too. Seriously in combination they pretty much *force* you to build sane, rational designs, instead of churning out bundles of 50 kt monstrosities which you *know*, which we *all* know, is what certain players would do. With the restrictions you are forced to balance tonnage versus hull number, and so we get something resembling historical ship designs.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

As I told Steve, here's my final tally of colonies, unless someone protests, Iran (most of it with all the minerals and so forth), UAE, and Sardinia and Carthage.

I wouldn't mind Singapore, unless some vigorously contests it but yeah. All colonies are 3 points worth.

[Steve]

New map, still preliminary.

http://stgjr.com/sdnw3/mainmap.png

Among other things, I still haven't carved Slacker out because I want to make sure of the agreed upon border there. Added standing colonial claims for a few countries, well, where they'd show up. PM me if there are difficulties.

*falls asleep at keyboard*

P.S.: Checked PMs, Slack's dropping out.

*falls asleep again*

[Slacker]

The situation is just not going to work, what I was offered wasn't enough to make Poland a viable country. Stas, I do thank you for being willing to give up what I needed to make that half viable. *tips cap*

[K. A. Pital]

The situation is just not going to work, what I was offered wasn't enough to make Poland a viable country. Stas, I do thank you for being willing to give up what I needed to make that half viable. *tips cap*

What's up? Well, I still want you playing. It would be plain boring (and quite war-dangerous!) if there's no buffer of sorts between me and the Monarchist Germany. Carve out the entire Baltics if you be so willing. Let's say nationalists triumphed in the Baltics or something.

Steve, I have to remind you that Trans Caucasian (Georgia, Azerbajan, etc) are claimed by the USSR, as is Central Asia all the way down to the Tajikistan-Afghanistan border.

[Thanas]

Tsingtao is not on that map.

[Norseman]

Tsingtao is not on that map.

Neither is Brazil.

[Siege]

I guess, add the UAE to it. How many points is all that worth? 3? I plan to set up colonies in parts of Iran just for the sake of mining. Not sure where some of those parts are.

If they exist in any halfway prominent form the UAE would be under my influence, seeing how I've got Kuwait and these are Sunni emirates and I should therefore be - by way of the Caliph of Cairo and the Sultan of All Arabia - the primary temporal and spiritual authority for them. I've no objections whatsoever against any of your other claims, but the UAE is just... eh.

As for points, both under Wilkens' and Steve's system the following works out, so that's probably what I'll be rolling with:

Population 3
Home Territory 3
Colonial Territory 2
Industry 3
Economy 3
Infrastructure 3
Standing Military Limit 3
Naval Focus 2
Army Focus 4
Air Focus 4

[DarthShady]

I don't have much time now to post, but I want to make my claims clear so that there is no confusion later on.

My nation is the Balkan Confederacy and the following is a rough idea of what it will be:

The Balkan Confederacy is conglomeration of Balkan states, none really happy with each other, some with local monarchial governments and others under Socialist government. With a figurehead monarchy drawn from Serbian nobility and the Serbian King Alexander as The Emperor of the Balkans and ruler of the Confederacy. Although the real power of the land is the Prime Minister( hehe) and the Emperor is a figurehead of sorts. The Romanian royal family should also have quite a bit of influence too.

Anyway my claim is the following nations( their modern day borders): Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Romania(Although Thanas gets Transylvania), Bulgaria, Macedonia and Albania. That's pretty much it.

I'm still working on my history and points distribution.

[Karmic Knight]

New map, still preliminary.

http://stgjr.com/sdnw3/mainmap.png

Baerne gets my part of Libya and I get the Ivory Coast, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Senegal. And I've claimed Kenya.