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I was reading the thread below on scary right wing quotes, and I can see why they're scary - these are instances of people with a popular voice talking about murder and hate. So, just for fun, I wanted to see what the conservative equivalent would look like. While there are a few repositories, the one that keeps popping to the forefront of google with every variation of 'scary left-wing quotes' was an old free republic thread from 2003 (link broken because I'm not sure):

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I've reproduced a collection of them at random here. Bear in mind that these are what conservatives have labelled scary, crazy, or hate-filled. I'm not saying their list is totally absent any aspect of loony or ignorant - they caught at least a few crazy violent environmental terrorists calling for murder - but they also include criticism of American patriotism in their list of 'scary' quotes, among other things which do not match anywhere near the same definition of 'scary' that I would apply to, say, Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck.

Do these quotes seem reasonable examples of left-wing crazy to you?
"George W. Bush, a small man in a big job, has dragged America into one of its darkest chapters. He commands unprecedented military power, but his word carries little or no weight in much of the world." - Haroon Siddiqui, editor emeritus for the Toronto Star, December 28, 2003

"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke." -- Robert Altman

"Now [African Americans] are supposed to fight and die for a racist corrupt government in yet another imperialist war, when it is the U.S. which has clearly brought on this attack. We are supposed to fight for a country where we still have limited social, economic and political rights, and where we are still subject to death by any racist cop or citizen, where there is widespread poverty, mass imprisonment of the youth, and massive unemployment concentrated in the Black community. The obvious question is what the hell are we fighting for? To avenge America? To mourn America? Why, we don't owe this country anything." -- Lorenzo Komboa Ervin, CounterPunch

"Patriotism threatens free speech with death. It is infuriated by thoughtful hesitation, constructive criticism of our leaders and pleas for peace. It despises people of foreign birth. It has specifically blamed homosexuals, feminists and the American Civil Liberties Union. In other words, the American flag stands for intimidation, censorship, violence, bigotry, sexism, homophobia and shoving the Constitution through a paper shredder. Whom are we calling terrorists here?" -- Barbara Kingsolver, novelist, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, September 27

"America has an almost obscene infatuation with itself. Has there ever been a big, powerful country that is as patriotic as America? And patriotic in the tinniest way, with so much flag waving? You'd really think we were some poor little republic, and that if one person lost his religion for one hour, the whole thing would crumble. America is the real religion in this country." -- Norman Mailer

"Of course, Mr. Hannity was outraged that any American would not cross her hand over her heart and repeat the hypocritical words, one nation. Whenever we come up on the Fourth of You Lie, I think of Frederick Douglas and his masterful oration, The meaning of the Fourth of July to the Negro. Pledge the flag? I think not!" -- Julianne Malveaux

"My daughter, who goes to Stuyvesant High School only blocks from the World Trade Center, thinks we should fly an American flag out our window. Definitely not, I say: The flag stands for jingoism and vengeance and war." -- Katha Pollitt, The Nation, October 8

"While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything - America owes us." -- Al Sharpton at the "State of the Black World Conference" in Atlanta

"The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die." -- Bill Clinton at a Jewish fundraiser in Toronto this summer.

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America." -- Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned down Sudan's offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996 .

"I think the U.S. is terrifying and it saddens me. You only have to look at the state of affairs in America. I do worry about my children. As a parent you are always concerned...I just want them to be in a place where they are going to be strong enough to be able to make the right choices. Unfortunately we're in a position where people are so irresponsible that human life holds so little value to them." -- Tom Cruise explains why he wants his kids to be raised in Australia instead of America

"Just one last thing. We are always looking for signs that the country is behaving like its old self again. Tonight at the World Series, if the Yankee fans boo the President, it won't mean necessarily they are unhappy with his leadership, but he did say that he would cheer for anyone but the Yankees in the series. So if New York fans give him the business it just means they're acting like their old selves. And that's probably a good sign." -- Peter Jennings on the World Series in 2001

"Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness. He could lower the jobless rate, balance the budget, and console us after the Oklahoma City bomb. But he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given [on Sept. 11]: the historic chance to lead. -- Chris Matthews in the San Francisco Chronicle

"Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California--these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!" --Michael Moore, Michaelmoore.com, September 12

(** Note: Bombing Began on Oct 7, 2001, we took Mazar-e-Sharif on Nov. 9, 2001, Khandahar fell on Dec 6, 2001, and the new Afghan government was sworn in on Dec, 21, 2001. **)

"Could Afghanistan become another Vietnam? Is the United States facing another stalemate on the other side of the world? Premature the questions may be, three weeks after the fighting began. Unreasonable they are not, given the scars scoured into the national psyche by defeat in Southeast Asia. For all the differences between the two conflicts, and there are many, echoes of Vietnam are unavoidable." -- R.W. Apple, New York Times, Oct 31, 2001

"The idea of an expanding U.S. commitment, however, is precisely what raises the specter of quagmire for critics, raising ghosts of Vietnam. The Taliban plainly are unlikely to be destroyed from the air, but Afghanistan is a wild and untamable land, and there is little reason to believe that U.S. ground troops would have greater success in subduing it than the Soviets had." -- Tony Karon, Oct 31, 2001

"The administration has bungled the challenge. ... The war effort is in deep trouble. The United States is not headed into a quagmire; it's already in one. The U.S. is not losing the first round against the Taliban; it has already lost it." -- Jacob Heilbrunn, Los Angeles Times, Nov. 4, 2001

"The U.S. road out of the quagmire in Central Asia ultimately passes through the U.N." -- James Hoagland in the Washington Post, Oct 24, 2001

"Americans must face a hard reality: massive military force is not a winning weapon against these enemies. It makes the problem worse. In contrast, a strategy that emphasizes clever diplomacy, intelligence-gathering, and carefully selected military strikes might produce success eventually if we pursue it with patience and tenacity." -- John J. Mearshimer, NYT, Nov 4, 2001

If I were the President...I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and the impoverished, and all the millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then...I would announce that America's global interventions had come to an end. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90 percent and I would use the savings to pay the reparations to our victims and to increase social services." -- William Blum, author of "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" at a UNC Progressive Faculty Network forum entitled, "Understanding the Attack on America: an Alternative View."

"As has been emphasized vigorously by foreign allies and by responsible leaders of former administrations and incumbent officeholders, there is no current danger to the United States from Baghdad." -- Jimmy Carter

"In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who's suffering. [But we must also think about] the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It's all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see [the terrorists] as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better." -- Richard Gere

"I think it will take years before we can repair the damage done by that statement." -- Jimmy Carter on George Bush's use of the phrase "Axis of Evil"

"I don't know how you wage war against one person; it doesn't make sense. I can imagine a commando-type raid to capture Bin Laden, then a trial, with evidence, before the world court. But that would not address the vast global inequalities in which terrorism is ultimately rooted. What is so heartbreaking to me as a feminist is that the strongest response to corporate globalization and U.S. military domination is based on such a violent and misogynist ideology." -- Barbara Ehrenreich, The Village Voice, October 9, 2001

"They have struck us, and in their strike announced: We'd rather die—and take you with us—than go on living in the world you have forced us to occupy. Force will get us nowhere. It is reparations that are owing, not retribution." -- Vivian Gornick, The Village Voice, October 9, 2001

"Melt their weapons, melt their hearts, melt their anger with love." -- Shirley MacLaine on her anti-terrorism policy

"Well, he (Bush) might as well have been bombing Denmark. Denmark had nothing to do with 9/11. And neither did Afghanistan, at least the Afghanis didn't." -- Gore Vidal in the LA Weekly

"In a war on Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden will either be left alive, while thousands of impoverished, frightened people are bombed into oblivion around him, or he will be killed in a bombing attack for which he seems quite prepared. But what would happen to his cool armor if he could be reminded of all the good, nonviolent things he has done? Further, what would happen to him if he could be brought to understand the preciousness of the lives he has destroyed? I firmly believe the only punishment that works is love." -- Alice Walker, The Village Voice

"America, America. What did you do--either intentionally or unintentionally--in the world order, in Central America, in Africa where bombs are still blasting? America, what did you do in the global warming conference when you did not embrace the smaller nations? America, what did you do two weeks ago when I stood at the world conference on racism, when you wouldn't show up? Oh, America, what did you do?" -- Former San Francisco Supervisor Amos Brown on September 17.

"We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly." -- Bill Maher, Politically Incorrect

"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed. And then came the next shock. We had to realize that the people that did this were brilliant. It showed that the ego we could hold up until September 10 was inadequate." -- Norman Mailer

"Americans can't admit that you need courage to do such a thing. For that might be misunderstood. The key thing is that we in America are convinced that it was blind, mad fanatics who didn't know what they were doing. But what if those perpetrators were right and we were not? We have long ago lost the capability to take a calm look at the enormity of our enemy's position." -- Norman Mailer on 9/11

"Bob Woodward's assurance that President Bush is religious and resolute does not relieve any of my concerns about his character or intelligence. After all, so is Osama bin Laden." -- Barbara Petzing, Providence Journal, May 10, 2002

"We've been treated to some astonishingly vile images over the last two weeks: Office workers hurling themselves into a 100-floor-high abyss. A gaping, smoldering hole in the financial center of our greatest city. George W. Bush passing himself off as a patriot, even as he disassembles the Constitution with the voracious glee of piranha skeletonizing a cow. ... It may have seemed meaningless at the time, but now we know why 7,000 people sacrificed their lives: So that we'd all forget how Bush stole a presidential election." -- Cartoonist Ted Rall, Philadelphia City Paper, September 27

"I just think we are a little bit of an arrogant nation and maybe this is a little bit of a humbling experience ... what has our government done to provoke this action that we don't know about?" -- Backstreet Boy Kevin Richardson

"If the word 'cowardly' is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others." -- Susan Sontag in New Yorker magazine

"The Pentagon as a legitimate target? I actually don't have an opinion on that and it's important I not have an opinion on that as I sit here in my capacity right now." -- David Westin, ABC News President, Oct 23
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Yeah, it's mostly people criticizing America's actions, America's values, and/or insulting flag-waving lapel-pin wearing violence-threatening "patriots".

Clearly, that's exactly the same as saying "All liberals should be murdered as traitors". Come on. Saying "Bush is a laughingstock around the world" is a "scary quote"? :D

I especially like this one:
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Admittance there were one or two that annoyed me in there. The ones about how lobbing cruise missiles is cowardly and suicide bombing isn't... I think they are mistaking "cowardice" for "sense of self-preservation". You know, maybe we should ride the cruise missiles in, Dr. Strangelove style. That way, we can prove that we're all brave and whatnot!
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"The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die." -- Bill Clinton at a Jewish fundraiser in Toronto this summer.

"Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness. He could lower the jobless rate, balance the budget, and console us after the Oklahoma City bomb. But he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given [on Sept. 11]: the historic chance to lead. -- Chris Matthews in the San Francisco Chronicle
Wait. How are these scary left wing quotes? I mean, I know the right hates Clinton beyond reason and that, by and large, they're not fond of journalists, but Chris Matthews is hardly liberal and he's praising Bush here are the expense of Clinton. And Clinton's quote? The man is saying he'd give his own life defending Israel. Doesn't that dovetail nicely into the right's position that Israel must be defended at all costs and, well, it would kill two birds with one stone for them by getting rid of Clinton, so, I really don't understand how that one's a scary left wing quote.
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Those are more offensive (to the right-wing) quotes than scary and/or beligerent quotes.

And some of them are quite stupid to, well, anyone with a shred of intelligence - especially these "suicide-bombers are brave" ones.
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you know these are a bit empty on their own.. what you REALLY need are conservative RESPONSES to these comics. What really gives us an idea ofd what their thinking is just WHY a comment like :"Well, he (Bush) might as well have been bombing Denmark. Denmark had nothing to do with 9/11. And neither did Afghanistan, at least the Afghanis didn't.": is considered "Dangerous"
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It's hilarious to contrast this list with the stuff in the other thread. Many of these quotes seem reasonable (though I don't personally agree with all of them) and the ones that aren't at worst show naivete, maybe dangerous naivete but thankfully of the sort that's unlikely to actually get to determine national policy so I'm not too worried. The only ones that tick me off are some of the Norman Mailer ones where he appears to not get that Osama bin Laden's crowd are complete fucktards and Kevin Richardson suggesting a massive human tragedy was a good thing because it was a "humbling experience". This is the best they could come up with in response to a page of quotes of right wingers saying they view their political opponents as subhuman and creepily masturbating over how they'd like to see unpleasant things happen to them?
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To a mainstream conservative, America might as well substitute for God. When you criticize either one, no matter how correctly, you've offended them. They take for granted that these things are good and pure simply on account of existing, so challenging the mindless flag-waving is the ultimate taboo.
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There's some more really good ones on that page.
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I think the fact that these are considered "crazy" or "scary" quotes is itself equivalent to a right-wing scary quote.
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In all due fairness
The present Royal Family sends out the wrong message about Britain today. They're all white."

"Lady" Gavron
will remain true for the future, being hereditary and all. Of course they happen to not be English, but I don't think you will get non-white unless you start marrying members of to the Kingdom of Bhutan, the Japanese royal family, Thailand... how many monarchies are left today?
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"The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die." -- Bill Clinton at a Jewish fundraiser in Toronto this summer.

"Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness. He could lower the jobless rate, balance the budget, and console us after the Oklahoma City bomb. But he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given [on Sept. 11]: the historic chance to lead. -- Chris Matthews in the San Francisco Chronicle
Wait. How are these scary left wing quotes? I mean, I know the right hates Clinton beyond reason and that, by and large, they're not fond of journalists, but Chris Matthews is hardly liberal and he's praising Bush here are the expense of Clinton. And Clinton's quote? The man is saying he'd give his own life defending Israel. Doesn't that dovetail nicely into the right's position that Israel must be defended at all costs and, well, it would kill two birds with one stone for them by getting rid of Clinton, so, I really don't understand how that one's a scary left wing quote.
I think you are misinterpreting what Chris Matthews said. He is stating that Bush was given the opportunity to lead. But the clear inference is that he did not seize that opportunity, and therefore did not grab his shot at greatness.
Then again you may not be misinterpreting the meaning - it is hard to tell from little acquaintance with Chris Matthews what he truly believes; however if a normal political commentator made that statement my estimate of the inference would be correct.
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Samuel wrote:In all due fairness
The present Royal Family sends out the wrong message about Britain today. They're all white."

"Lady" Gavron
will remain true for the future, being hereditary and all. Of course they happen to not be English, but I don't think you will get non-white unless you start marrying members of to the Kingdom of Bhutan, the Japanese royal family, Thailand... how many monarchies are left today?
That quote smells of sarcasm in my opinion.
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Samuel wrote:In all due fairness
The present Royal Family sends out the wrong message about Britain today. They're all white."

"Lady" Gavron
will remain true for the future, being hereditary and all. Of course they happen to not be English, but I don't think you will get non-white unless you start marrying members of to the Kingdom of Bhutan, the Japanese royal family, Thailand... how many monarchies are left today?
There is no obligation for members of the royal family to only marry members of other royal families. If Prince William married a non-white girl, they'd cease to be all white fairly quickly. The fact that this is difficult to imagine only backs up the quote.

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Could you have imagined what would have happened if Andrew had married Kathleen Stark?

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Hillary wrote: There is no obligation for members of the royal family to only marry members of other royal families. If Prince William married a non-white girl, they'd cease to be all white fairly quickly. The fact that this is difficult to imagine only backs up the quote.

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B5B7 wrote:I think you are misinterpreting what Chris Matthews said. He is stating that Bush was given the opportunity to lead. But the clear inference is that he did not seize that opportunity, and therefore did not grab his shot at greatness.
Then again you may not be misinterpreting the meaning - it is hard to tell from little acquaintance with Chris Matthews what he truly believes; however if a normal political commentator made that statement my estimate of the inference would be correct.
That's possible. Perhaps it's a matter of perspective. Having once been a right-wing loon, I may have fallen back on my old experience when I interpreted it in a more positive light for Bush, i.e. I didn't pick up on the inference you felt was there.

To be honest, the quote probably needs more context for us to hash out what he meant.
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Serafina wrote:Those are more offensive (to the right-wing) quotes than scary and/or beligerent quotes.

And some of them are quite stupid to, well, anyone with a shred of intelligence - especially these "suicide-bombers are brave" ones.
I agree I can easily see people taking offense at those quotes. Several got under my skin but none of them are "scary"
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There's no obligation per se but I seem to remember something about them having to give up their title if they want to go through with it.
Only if they are Catholic (the monarch could marry a Muslim or scientologist no problem) otherwise they are fine. I'd imagine that if the monarch pressed hard enough the 1701 Law of Settlement would be annulled, there are a few politicians who want it removed already but apparently it’s too complicated to change for our poor simple minded politicians as it’s enshrined in 9 pieces of legislation
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Re: What conservatives call 'scary left-wing quotes'

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Serafina wrote:Those are more offensive (to the right-wing) quotes than scary and/or beligerent quotes.

And some of them are quite stupid to, well, anyone with a shred of intelligence - especially these "suicide-bombers are brave" ones.
I agree I can easily see people taking offense at those quotes. Several got under my skin but none of them are "scary"
The problem is that right-wingers find the mere concept of socialism terrifying. Just watch Glenn Beck going berserk over it. They don't need left-wingers to actually say anything scary in order to be terrified; they just need left-wingers to say something which sounds socialist.

That's why there's a discrepancy between the kinds of quotes that one side and the other use in order to prove that the other side is scary. Nobody finds capitalism inherently scary, although some might find it irresponsible. But right-wingers tend to think that socialism is scary because they're convinced it leads to some sort of Orwellian 1984 future.
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Re: What conservatives call 'scary left-wing quotes'

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Only if they are Catholic (the monarch could marry a Muslim or scientologist no problem) otherwise they are fine. I'd imagine that if the monarch pressed hard enough the 1701 Law of Settlement would be annulled, there are a few politicians who want it removed already but apparently it’s too complicated to change for our poor simple minded politicians as it’s enshrined in 9 pieces of legislation
It's also a problem if the woman has been divorced, as in the abdication of Edward VIII.

The Act of Settlement, IIRC, is a problem because it's one of the key laws that establishes Parliamentary Supremacy, which is the basic principle of the British political system, and limited in only two real ways; Parliament can't legislate anything about the Church in Scotland, and it can't bind a successor Parliament. That's part of the reason nobody's gotten around to writing a US style constitution; it couldn't be made binding on successor Parliaments by the Parliament in power, and couldn't be made binding on Parliament if it was written by somebody else.

Removing the Act of Settlement would be rather like the US dispensing with the Constitution in a lot of ways, even if it's not directly mentioned in many laws, due to the way that the British constitution relies so much on tradition as opposed to actually being entirely written down.
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Re: What conservatives call 'scary left-wing quotes'

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That's why there's a discrepancy between the kinds of quotes that one side and the other use in order to prove that the other side is scary. Nobody finds capitalism inherently scary, although some might find it irresponsible. But right-wingers tend to think that socialism is scary because they're convinced it leads to some sort of Orwellian 1984 future.

The irony is that Orwell was writing as a confirmed socialist critiquing what he felt were dangerous extremes in socialist movements. But of course there is no possible variation between socially subsidized medical care and Stalinism. It all falls under Socialism, of which there is none in the U.S. (or far too much, depending on taste). Social security, Medicare, education, farm subsidies, and bank bailouts don't count because they already exist and besides those people deserve it (except maybe the education; those kids haven't earned it, and their parents should have the option of sending them to private schools where they can get a more godly education). I wish I had the Dilbert cartoon in which the boss's brain makes a strange mechanical noise labeled as "cognitive dissonance engaging."
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