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And that is why they are racist. Their depiction is a hate-offense for the entire human race.
Like a pair of bucktoothed robot cyber-Hitlers.
I hope a competent editor can be brought into TF3 'cause, really, there's so much potential for awesome that just gets mucked up by all the extaenous crap Bay and whoever else wants to cram in there. Some said that in TF1, the plot kind of meandered too much with the humies and the teenage romance stuff, but in TF2... mang. If the TF movies got streamlined, they can only benefit from it and stuff.
I mean, this isn't even some artsy-fartsy "objective" critique or something. It's just that the meandering crap is not conducive to the viewing experience. For a person who looks like he's suffering from ADHD or something, Micheal Bay really seems to be hinging on the audience having enough of an attention span to sit in through bucktoothed robot testicles.
Like a pair of bucktoothed robot cyber-Hitlers.
I hope a competent editor can be brought into TF3 'cause, really, there's so much potential for awesome that just gets mucked up by all the extaenous crap Bay and whoever else wants to cram in there. Some said that in TF1, the plot kind of meandered too much with the humies and the teenage romance stuff, but in TF2... mang. If the TF movies got streamlined, they can only benefit from it and stuff.
I mean, this isn't even some artsy-fartsy "objective" critique or something. It's just that the meandering crap is not conducive to the viewing experience. For a person who looks like he's suffering from ADHD or something, Micheal Bay really seems to be hinging on the audience having enough of an attention span to sit in through bucktoothed robot testicles.
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Jokes like 'Devastator has giant balls' don't bother me - sure it's crude, but it was funny. It's all the other extraneous stuff, the stuff not related in any way to the Transformers. Stuff like two small dogs humping on a couch, or Sam's mother getting high and going berserk at his college. It's all very hit and miss. The bit where the kitchen appliances attack Sam was freaking hilarious - more of that sort of stuff please.
In a way, Transformers 2 is a lot like Bad Boys 2. It has more everything than the first, but some of the MORE doesn't scale up to a better experience, and brings everything down (one MORE that does make it better is all the kickass fighting scenes). That's why I fucking hate Bad Boys 2 when I quite liked the original. However, Transformers 2 gets a huge pass from me because - well - shit - its Transformers.
In a way, Transformers 2 is a lot like Bad Boys 2. It has more everything than the first, but some of the MORE doesn't scale up to a better experience, and brings everything down (one MORE that does make it better is all the kickass fighting scenes). That's why I fucking hate Bad Boys 2 when I quite liked the original. However, Transformers 2 gets a huge pass from me because - well - shit - its Transformers.
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The movie made $833M worldwide. I'd say that Michael Bay made a safe bet on what the audience would tolerate. For better or worse.Shroom Man 777 wrote:For a person who looks like he's suffering from ADHD or something, Micheal Bay really seems to be hinging on the audience having enough of an attention span to sit in through bucktoothed robot testicles.
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LULZ, yeah.Vympel wrote:Jokes like 'Devastator has giant balls' don't bother me - sure it's crude, but it was funny.
Jesus Christ, the parent humor was horrific in the movie. At least with the first one it was funny, but this one... ugh.It's all the other extraneous stuff, the stuff not related in any way to the Transformers. Stuff like two small dogs humping on a couch, or Sam's mother getting high and going berserk at his college.
I don't know about Bad Boys 2. The only thing I remember was that they were Black Klansmen, and then boom an LAPD SWAT Team attacks the Cuban military and a Humvee turns half of Havana into shantytown shitpiece street pizza before they went to Gitmo and a landmine jumped into someone's face and ruined his shit, and then an iguana exploded.In a way, Transformers 2 is a lot like Bad Boys 2. It has more everything than the first, but some of the MORE doesn't scale up to a better experience. That's why I fucking hate Bad Boys 2 when I quite liked the original. However, Transformers 2 gets a huge pass from me because - well - shit - its Transformers.
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It seems to me that the third movie is when the cast and crew get bored with the whole thing and say, "in this one, we're gonna have fun." Then they make it campy. Star Wars is no exception, IMO.Darth Wong wrote:Most trilogies get downright awful by the third installment.
I believe the IMAX edition of TF2 has a different aspect ratio during certain scenes just like The Dark Knight does.
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Yes, only certain scenes where shot with IMAX cameras, most of the movie was in regular widescreen.Galvatron wrote:It seems to me that the third movie is when the cast and crew get bored with the whole thing and say, "in this one, we're gonna have fun." Then they make it campy. Star Wars is no exception, IMO.Darth Wong wrote:Most trilogies get downright awful by the third installment.
I believe the IMAX edition of TF2 has a different aspect ratio during certain scenes just like The Dark Knight does.
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I kinda liked Bad Boys 2, it gets the piss taken out of it in Hot Fuzz.
I agree that most third movies are markedly weaker than their predecessors, and I really doubt Transformers 3 will break the trend - Superman III was way too slapstick and cheap looking after the decent first movie and comparatively decent sequel (I mean a bumbling and drug crazed Richard Pryor?!), Alien 3 was a bit of a mess after a muddled screenplay development and troubled production (but gets better when compared to Resurrection and Anderson's bastardizations), Back to the Future Part III was pretty forgettable when compared to the first two movies, At World's End was OK-ish but clearly straining under its character arcs and running time, and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was very unnecessary and detrimental to the first two movies.
However I liked The Revenge of the Sith and generally improved the overall tone of the PT, The Return of the King is my favourite second sequel despite not being quite as tightly made as The Fellowship of the Ring, and The Last Crusade was better than The Temple of Doom (although some critics called it "souless" at the time). I quite liked The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, infamous incident with fridge and A-Bomb aside (but then again from Raiders of the Lost Ark alone why did the Well of the Souls have easy access to the airfield, how did Dr. Jones not get ripped to shreads when being dragged behind the German truck, why didn't he drown or die of exposure when he hitched a ride on a U-boat? etc).
I agree that most third movies are markedly weaker than their predecessors, and I really doubt Transformers 3 will break the trend - Superman III was way too slapstick and cheap looking after the decent first movie and comparatively decent sequel (I mean a bumbling and drug crazed Richard Pryor?!), Alien 3 was a bit of a mess after a muddled screenplay development and troubled production (but gets better when compared to Resurrection and Anderson's bastardizations), Back to the Future Part III was pretty forgettable when compared to the first two movies, At World's End was OK-ish but clearly straining under its character arcs and running time, and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was very unnecessary and detrimental to the first two movies.
However I liked The Revenge of the Sith and generally improved the overall tone of the PT, The Return of the King is my favourite second sequel despite not being quite as tightly made as The Fellowship of the Ring, and The Last Crusade was better than The Temple of Doom (although some critics called it "souless" at the time). I quite liked The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, infamous incident with fridge and A-Bomb aside (but then again from Raiders of the Lost Ark alone why did the Well of the Souls have easy access to the airfield, how did Dr. Jones not get ripped to shreads when being dragged behind the German truck, why didn't he drown or die of exposure when he hitched a ride on a U-boat? etc).
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My 'Big Screen Edition' of TF2 arrived from the US (thank you third party sellers through Amazon!).
I haven't watched the entirety of the film yet (I saw the standard Blu-Ray at my brother's place last week) but the IMAX footage can be found in the forest fight and in the scenes with Devastator.
The entire forest fight is in IMAX mode, i.e. the picture expands to film the whole screen and it looks positively gorgeous. This is also the place where most of the extra footage is - seconds worth scattered throughout, but very noticeable. Nonetheless it integrates seamlessly with the action in the 'normal' cut, which is to be expected given it isn't some sort of crude director's cut add-on.
The most noticeable part of the extra-footage is Grindor's participation in the fight - in the normal version he does pretty much nothing except fire once (missing) - getting hit by friendly fire from Starscream, and then trying to stab Optimus with a knife he keeps in his leg before getting his faced rip apart by Optimus' energon-hooks.
In the IMAX version, just before the sequence where Megatron kicks Optimus' face in (and then he and Starscream go to town on him, sending him flying) Grindor gets in on the action, grabbing Optimus by the head with one hand and then using his helicopter blades as a melee weapon to stick them into his sides. Optimus then elbows him in the face.
There are several more extended fighting shots in the scene, but it's hard to explain where they start/stop and where the 'standard' action starts/stops. But you will know it immediately when you see it if you've seen the original film recently. They're both before Optimus' "I'll take you all on!" moment, and after.
There may also be some extra footage in the Devastator IMAX scenes, but I'm unsure. There is a very cool easter egg of a newspaper getting stuck on a pipe that Mudflap & Skids are holding onto before Devastator's vortex - G1 Shockwave is on it, it's a newspaper robot about an alien sighting according to the Interwebs.
Other easter eggs I've heard of but haven't' yet seen are R2-D2 and the T-1000.
Basically, if you want to get this film on Blu-Ray and you have the option, definitely get the 'Big Screen Edition'. It won't cost you any extra and it's got more robot action porn.
Other random non-comprehensive observations:-
* It's definitely a clone of Bonecrusher (or Bonecrusher himself?) who kills one of the Arcees. A protoform Decepticon gets the other one in the same shot;
* Three (IIRC) protoform Decepticons are seen getting hit / possibly destroyed by the B-1B JDAM airstrike;
* Mixmaster goes into a Galvatron-style "artillery cannon" mode when he transforms to fire at US armor - separate from his robot form and his cement truck form. This is just before Jetfire cuts him in half and then tears his head off;
* Megatron's fancy arm cannon behaves like a series of sequentially timed explosive charges when it hits the ground
* The level of detail on the robots when they're damaged is just unbelievable. Megatron is so fucked up after Optimus shoots him through the wall of the ancient ruin that the tank treads on his feet have been torn off.
I haven't watched the entirety of the film yet (I saw the standard Blu-Ray at my brother's place last week) but the IMAX footage can be found in the forest fight and in the scenes with Devastator.
The entire forest fight is in IMAX mode, i.e. the picture expands to film the whole screen and it looks positively gorgeous. This is also the place where most of the extra footage is - seconds worth scattered throughout, but very noticeable. Nonetheless it integrates seamlessly with the action in the 'normal' cut, which is to be expected given it isn't some sort of crude director's cut add-on.
The most noticeable part of the extra-footage is Grindor's participation in the fight - in the normal version he does pretty much nothing except fire once (missing) - getting hit by friendly fire from Starscream, and then trying to stab Optimus with a knife he keeps in his leg before getting his faced rip apart by Optimus' energon-hooks.
In the IMAX version, just before the sequence where Megatron kicks Optimus' face in (and then he and Starscream go to town on him, sending him flying) Grindor gets in on the action, grabbing Optimus by the head with one hand and then using his helicopter blades as a melee weapon to stick them into his sides. Optimus then elbows him in the face.
There are several more extended fighting shots in the scene, but it's hard to explain where they start/stop and where the 'standard' action starts/stops. But you will know it immediately when you see it if you've seen the original film recently. They're both before Optimus' "I'll take you all on!" moment, and after.
There may also be some extra footage in the Devastator IMAX scenes, but I'm unsure. There is a very cool easter egg of a newspaper getting stuck on a pipe that Mudflap & Skids are holding onto before Devastator's vortex - G1 Shockwave is on it, it's a newspaper robot about an alien sighting according to the Interwebs.
Other easter eggs I've heard of but haven't' yet seen are R2-D2 and the T-1000.
Basically, if you want to get this film on Blu-Ray and you have the option, definitely get the 'Big Screen Edition'. It won't cost you any extra and it's got more robot action porn.
Other random non-comprehensive observations:-
* It's definitely a clone of Bonecrusher (or Bonecrusher himself?) who kills one of the Arcees. A protoform Decepticon gets the other one in the same shot;
* Three (IIRC) protoform Decepticons are seen getting hit / possibly destroyed by the B-1B JDAM airstrike;
* Mixmaster goes into a Galvatron-style "artillery cannon" mode when he transforms to fire at US armor - separate from his robot form and his cement truck form. This is just before Jetfire cuts him in half and then tears his head off;
* Megatron's fancy arm cannon behaves like a series of sequentially timed explosive charges when it hits the ground
* The level of detail on the robots when they're damaged is just unbelievable. Megatron is so fucked up after Optimus shoots him through the wall of the ancient ruin that the tank treads on his feet have been torn off.
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One thing I noticed about the first movie's Megatron's head design is that even if it consists of a lot of visually-cluttered small parts is that its general outline from the front and the side is still that of G1 Megatron's, and the resurrected Megatron from this movie has Galvatron's outline, complete with a hint of the three-pronged crown.
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That's what they were going for. Apparently the only reason they didn't call him Galvatron was that it'd just make for some unnecessary confusion.Old Plympto wrote:One thing I noticed about the first movie's Megatron's head design is that even if it consists of a lot of visually-cluttered small parts is that its general outline from the front and the side is still that of G1 Megatron's, and the resurrected Megatron from this movie has Galvatron's outline, complete with a hint of the three-pronged crown.
The Special Features disc includes Michael Bay talking about his thoughts about the third movie, including the somewhat encouraging idea that he doesn't plan to make the next movie bigger than RotF, but instead to go 'sideways'.
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And they were able to say that with a straight face?Apparently the only reason they didn't call him Galvatron was that it'd just make for some unnecessary confusion.
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*shrug* Beats me. I always thought renaming Megatron was a stupid idea. He was the same damn guy with a new body.Bounty wrote:And they were able to say that with a straight face?Apparently the only reason they didn't call him Galvatron was that it'd just make for some unnecessary confusion.
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Regarding names. Apparently all the G1 names & character profiles were created by Bob Budiansky and Denny O'Neill of Marvel Comics, probably much like what Larry Hama did for G.I. Joe. According to the snippet below, Megatron was created by Bob Budiansky.Vympel wrote:I always thought renaming Megatron was a stupid idea. He was the same damn guy with a new body.
This explains the fact that the original G1 Transformers had superhero-like codenames instead of made up names or puns like "Octopunch", "Hun-Grrr", "Grotusque", "Cheetor", "Rhinox", "Tigatron". As much as I like the Beast Wars series, their names - at least the original ones made for that series - were crap. They remind me of the Masters of the Universe figures, humanoids that transform into ball of rock, who had awfully unimaginative names like "Rokkon" and "Stonedar". (Not that the rest of that toy line had Pulitzer Prize-winning names...)
One other thing: I want to shake the hand of the one that came up with "Huffer".
Times Online wrote:23 Marvel came up with the Transformer names Optimus Prime and Megatron. In the early Eighties the toy manufacturer Hasbro asked Marvel for help with its new action figure line, Transformers. The robots that disguised themselves as cars and planes were Japanese in origin and needed new names and backgrounds. Marvel Editor-In-Chief Jim Shooter and writers Denny O'Neil and Bob Budiansky were given the task. In an interview in 2004 Budiansky said: "Shooter and O'Neil came up with the backstory. Shooter brought me in when most of the initial names and at least some of the character profiles were rejected by Hasbro. For whatever reason, Denny declined to revise them. So, facing an imminent deadline, Shooter scoured the Marvel editorial offices looking for someone who could write at least basic English. The first few Marvel editors Shooter approached, all with more writing experience than me, wanted nothing to do with Transformers. I was probably Shooter's third or fourth choice. I turned around the revisions over a couple of days - right before Thanksgiving of 1983 - and Hasbro was very pleased with what I wrote. I renamed most of the characters - Optimus Prime was Denny's, Megatron was mine - and revised some character profiles."
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In the movie he was. But in the series, Galvatron demonstrated a significant psychological difference. To be blunt, he went from "evil cartoon villain" to "outright batshit insane." Several episodes were devoted to other Decepticons noticing that their leader was unhinged.Vympel wrote:*shrug* Beats me. I always thought renaming Megatron was a stupid idea. He was the same damn guy with a new body.Bounty wrote:And they were able to say that with a straight face?Apparently the only reason they didn't call him Galvatron was that it'd just make for some unnecessary confusion.
Megs was a paragon of mental stability in comparison. Any madness from Megatron I found easily attributable to the wonky kid-targeted plot lines where a single hydroelectric dam could provide enough power to RULE THE UNIVERSE as opposed to the character being outright nuts.
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Speaking up on a topic such as this one is hazzardous, at best.
I don't want to jump on the "It's shit" bandwagon, but that doesn't mean I automatically belong to the "It was mostly crap, but it had its moments." crowd.
I'd like to say I enjoyed it, with reserves, but the tought that keeps coming back is, for me, "Why the hell didn't they take the essential idea from the 1980's cartoon and develpoed thereon?"
Seriously... Spaceship full of advanced AI and technology gets rammed into a volcano in the Mezozoic... they all go dormant until a certain event wakes them up..." you know the drill.
If you're going to do a remake of a stupid but succesful cartoon, why not make it more like the original cartoon? Is it "I've got to prove I've got creativity" stupidity? Why?
I don't want to jump on the "It's shit" bandwagon, but that doesn't mean I automatically belong to the "It was mostly crap, but it had its moments." crowd.
I'd like to say I enjoyed it, with reserves, but the tought that keeps coming back is, for me, "Why the hell didn't they take the essential idea from the 1980's cartoon and develpoed thereon?"
Seriously... Spaceship full of advanced AI and technology gets rammed into a volcano in the Mezozoic... they all go dormant until a certain event wakes them up..." you know the drill.
If you're going to do a remake of a stupid but succesful cartoon, why not make it more like the original cartoon? Is it "I've got to prove I've got creativity" stupidity? Why?
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^ Why WOULD they make it more like the original cartoon? The franchise has been spinning variants of "Ark crashes into mountain" for years now just because Bob Budiansky came up with it in 1984. The more appropriate question would be, what do you find so compelling about that?
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Indeed. However, that's the plot version many of us grew to love, that is, for what is now called G1 (the first line of Transformers toys). It was the first time Transformers made it big, and if the formula is not broken (it clearly isn't)... why fix it?Anguirus wrote:^ Why WOULD they make it more like the original cartoon? The franchise has been spinning variants of "Ark crashes into mountain" for years now just because Bob Budiansky came up with it in 1984. The more appropriate question would be, what do you find so compelling about that?
Also, I also think many of us older Transformers fans would certainly appreciate at least a nod to the original setting, while most of the newer fans wouldn't especially mind it, since Transformers is a relatively new thing for them anyway.
It's just that it seems to me that everytime there's going to be a remake of some classic (and I'm stretching the concept of "classic" here, since we're talking about what's essentially an animated commercial for the Takara/Hasbro toys), there's always some director/screenwriter/producer who decides he's going to re-invent rather than remake (to prove they are capable of original ideas... while remaking something that's a tried hit?)... which sadly often results in abominations such as Planet of the Apes 2001, of which Roger Ebert once said: "Tim Burton made a film that's respectful to the original, and respectable in itself, but that's not enough. Ten years from now, it will be the 1968 version that people are still renting."
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Akkleptos, I don't think you realize just how many different Transformers continuities there are.
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If Transformers 3 had Cybertronians that absorbed energy from girls who kiss them and fuse themselves into their bodies, and after they're spent, eject the women out all naked and covered with goo... it would STILL be a proper adaptation of a Transformers continuity. Hee.
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The movie is LITTERED with nods to the original setting. It simply did not ape the plot of the original setting. Frankly, I can't imagine that it would have been successful if they tried. I'm positive that the Spielberg-esque coming of age plot of TF1 is a big part of why it's well-received.Also, I also think many of us older Transformers fans would certainly appreciate at least a nod to the original setting, while most of the newer fans wouldn't especially mind it, since Transformers is a relatively new thing for them anyway.
I'm a bit too young to be a first-generation Transfan, but I bought G2 and was obsessed with Transformers: The Movie growing up. The two new TF movies are GIGANTIC blockbusters, and much higher-profile than the 1986 movie ever was, so your Apes analogy doesn't really hold.
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Precisely...Old Plympto wrote:If Transformers 3 had Cybertronians that absorbed energy from girls who kiss them and fuse themselves into their bodies, and after they're spent, eject the women out all naked and covered with goo... it would STILL be a proper adaptation of a Transformers continuity. Hee.
That's why, for me, there was G1... and that's it... Otherwise, you'd have to open the floodgates, so to speak, to any and all aberrations just because they bear the trademark.
Oh, and I like the Transformers movies, both of them, don't get me wrong. I just wished they were a more like the "original" Transformers I loved and watched back in the 80's... They were a great deal back then, not just movie-wise... and they sure were a great deal as far as I was concerned, back then... Afterwards, I kind of disconnected, until the first movie came along.Anguirus wrote:I'm a bit too young to be a first-generation Transfan, but I bought G2 and was obsessed with Transformers: The Movie growing up. The two new TF movies are GIGANTIC blockbusters, and much higher-profile than the 1986 movie ever was, so your Apes analogy doesn't really hold.
And you have no idea how big the Transformers were back in the 80's, movie or not, if you didn't live the times, sorry.
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Re: Transformers 2 on Blu-Ray
As I said, you have no idea of all the different Transformers series that came and went in-between Generation 1 and the live-action movies. There are like ten whole television shows, not even counting the Japan-only ones, and don't even get me started on toy-only TF lines.
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Justice League:BotM:MM:SDnet City Watch:Cybertron's Finest
"Well then, science is bullshit. "
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