SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Norseman]

Mine is a moderate social democratic government that came to power a few years ago in the country's first general elections, thanks to democratic reforms that followed a failed Communist revolution (it still has a figurehead monarchy). Due to the brief civil war, the government is highly distrustful of nations run by revolutionary communist/authoritarian socialist governments, and communist parties are outright banned from being registered in the country's elections.

Yes but you're Madagascar and not a South American nation... still it's worth knowing, there is always the Ministry of National Security agents going about trying to awaken the working classes. So what about the rest of y'all, what are your views on the Red Scare?

[Thanas]

Germany will pursue Realpolitik in the Bismarck (NOT in the neocon) sense of the word and will do business with any nation that does not want to take its territory.So in short, as long as you do not act like a dick, we won't start a war with you.

If however, german merchant ships mysteriously start "disappearing" or some "Worker's riots" instigated by you crop up in german cities, you will receive a visit of some Grenadiere.


EDIT: Communist parties are banned, but my workers (as in the OTL) will live in far better conditions than in any communist country of the time period and have socialised medicine to boot.

[Dark Hellion]

Marius, can I convince you to give up southern Angola (how did you get it anyways, it was controlled by Portugal for 400 years at that point? I have a working Alt-history with Norade). Besides, you would not get much of the natural resources if you have Southern Angola. You get a bit of iron, but you miss the diamonds, oil and prime coffee land. I would like to have a complete country with the 1885 boundaries. I am sure you could take some other colonial land.

[Steve]

I wonder if such things will contribute to the world's Communist parties refusing to work with the rest of the Left, as happened during the 20s and 30s. They viewed Democratic-Socialism and other leftist groups as worse enemies than they did conservatives because said groups "misled the working classes", or more accurately, took working class votes the Communists coveted.

Then the Spanish Civil War came along and the Communists ended up costing the Republicans victory due to their attempts to deal with the other leftist groups.

[Ma Deuce]

Germany will pursue Realpolitik in the Bismarck (NOT in the neocon) sense of the word and will do business with any nation that does not want to take its territory.So in short, as long as you do not act like a dick, we won't start a war with you.

I will take a pragmatic approach to foreign policy as a matter of necessity, given my somewhat weak stature. However, my Madagascar is utterly paranoid about attempted colonization (having been invaded 30 years prior), either through direct invasion or subversion. To that end, I will try to work myself into the good graces of one or more of the Great Powers whom I could persuade would be in their economic or strategic interests for me to remain independent: Becoming a preferred export partners for my natural resources could be one incentive, as would basing rights. That way, if anyone else wants to invade me, they'll have to get through Big Daddy first. Especially prudent, considering I live in Shep's general neighborhood .

[Norseman]

Especially prudent, considering I live in Shep's general neighborhood .

No you don't, not unless you consider the *planet* the general neighbourhood.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Especially prudent, considering I live in Shep's general neighborhood .

No you don't, not unless you consider the *planet* the general neighbourhood.

What are you talking about? He's just on the southwestern side of the Indian Ocean, with Shep on the northwestern side.

[Master_Baerne]

Hey, does Springsharp work for Vista? It seems not to.

Don't know, do you have Microsoft .Net Framework though? Version 2.0 or 3.0 is needed.

Are you using 2.1 3.0 Beta?

Ah, that explains it - The lack of framework, I mean. Thanks awfully!

[Slacker]

Stas, how would you like to clarify the border? I imagine in the north the border's somewhere around the Latvian/Estonian border, but further south? I'll confess my 'maximum dreams' borders include Kiev down to the Black Sea, but I'm flexible in this regard.

[MKSheppard]

Shepistan TENTATIVE Setup:
4 population
3 Home
4 Colonies
4 Industry
3 economy
4 Infrastructure
2 Standing military
3+2 Naval focus
3 Army Focus
2 Air focus

Fuck it I'm just modifing lonestar's thing

[Steve]

Shep, a 4 in CT would mean you have over a million square kilometers of colonial territory.

[Dark Hellion]

Marius, I am going to call bullshit on you saying that a 2 in colonial territory is enough to let you claim a land area the size of France as yours. I am going to call really bullshit on you claiming an area that is bigger than modern day Greenland as a territorial by only using 2 points (you have claimed well over 1.5 million km^2 in Namibia and Southern Angola alone, let alone the 750,000 that is Rhodesia/Zambia). You have claimed 2/3 the size on India without putting very many points as all.

I don't have a problem with you a having Namiba (which is 800,000 km^2 by the way) but I don't think you can take that and the 600,000 km^2 of Southern Angola and whatever chunk of the 750,000 km^2 of Zambia.

Thus I am staking claim on Angola. Game, set and match!

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Revised point distribution for the Southeast Asian Union:

Population: 3
Home territory: 3
Colonial territory: 1
Industry: 3
Economy: 3
Infrastructure: 4
Standing military: 3
Naval focus: 3 (2 basic, +1 industry focus)
Army focus: 4
Air focus: 4

In other news, naval architecture makes my head hurt. I'll just steal some existing designs, do some very minor tweaking with regards to armament, and leave it at that.

[Steve]

Marius, I am going to call bullshit on you saying that a 2 in colonial territory is enough to let you claim a land area the size of France as yours. I am going to call really bullshit on you claiming an area that is bigger than modern day Greenland as a territorial by only using 2 points (you have claimed well over 1.5 million km^2 in Namibia and Southern Angola alone, let alone the 750,000 that is Rhodesia/Zambia). You have claimed 2/3 the size on India without putting very many points as all.

I don't have a problem with you a having Namiba (which is 800,000 km^2 by the way) but I don't think you can take that and the 600,000 km^2 of Southern Angola and whatever chunk of the 750,000 km^2 of Zambia.

Thus I am staking claim on Angola. Game, set and match!

I think he claims some of that as Home Territory. BUt I want to see his claims, what he considers HT and what is CT, and for him to point out his point allocation.

[Dark Hellion]

The last map I saw had him claiming South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Swaziland and Lesotho. Map here

I will note that this is an area that is approximately 3.8 million km^2. That is bigger than India and over half the size of Australia. I think that is more than enough to divide into a home territory and colonial territories and to let me have Rhodesia as a colony (All the worlds Copper for me!)

[Steve]

The last map I saw had him claiming South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Swaziland and Lesotho. Map here

I will note that this is an area that is approximately 3.8 million km^2. That is bigger than India and over half the size of Australia. I think that is more than enough to divide into a home territory and colonial territories and to let me have Rhodesia as a colony (All the worlds Copper for me!)

I'll deal with him if he hasn't spent the points to claim that territory, but if he has you need to negotiate with him on what he's willing to give up. If he proves unreasonable, well, come to me with the complaint and I'll see if I can make a resolution.

[Dark Hellion]

No problem. Personally I want to think that it is simply that most maps shrink Southern Africa and don't let give people a good handle on the fact that most of the countries of far larger than European countries, so what looks like a reasonable chunk of the map is actually a massive area of land.

[TimothyC]

Marius, can I convince you to give up southern Angola (how did you get it anyways, it was controlled by Portugal for 400 years at that point? I have a working Alt-history with Norade). Besides, you would not get much of the natural resources if you have Southern Angola. You get a bit of iron, but you miss the diamonds, oil and prime coffee land. I would like to have a complete country with the 1885 boundaries. I am sure you could take some other colonial land.

First of all, I've been a bit busy today, which is why I didn't respond earlier

If Setzer and Steve agree to it, I'll bive up my claims in Angola, for a minor expansion of the Northern Rhodesian claims (IE I have the 2/3rds of Northern Rhodesia that isn't jungle).

The last map I saw had him claiming South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Swaziland and Lesotho. Map here

I will note that this is an area that is approximately 3.8 million km^2. That is bigger than India and over half the size of Australia. I think that is more than enough to divide into a home territory and colonial territories and to let me have Rhodesia as a colony (All the worlds Copper for me!)

That's my Home territory (I figured roughtly 4.2 million square km, which is why I spent 4 points on home territory).

And it's only 2/3rds the size of Australia .

Marius, I am going to call bullshit on you saying that a 2 in colonial territory is enough to let you claim a land area the size of France as yours!

The only Colonial territory was the Northern Rhodesia (Zambia), and Light control over southern Angola, which I have agreed to give up.

[Dark Hellion]

Ok, I am going to cry foul about Marius becoming the 6th largest country in the world, then claiming territories. I am going to try to work it out through PM, but I think we have the evidence all laid out here well in the open for the mods to rule if we can't come to a conclusion.

[Steve]

Ok, I am going to cry foul about Marius becoming the 6th largest country in the world, then claiming territories. I am going to try to work it out through PM, but I think we have the evidence all laid out here well in the open for the mods to rule if we can't come to a conclusion.

So you're saying we're not allowed to revise claims based upon what's available, or how the territory system for points has since been completely enumerated, or our own tweaks?

I'm not allowed to decide that I have enough area space left before hitting 6 million - and thus a five point expenditure - to decide I want the Northwest Territories and Saskatchewan? I'm not saying I'm going to (though I'm tempted), but you're insisting this be forbidden. And note that at 4,990,000 square kilometers I'm a larger country than Marius (though, heh, over two million of that is Alaskan and Yukon tundra).

[Zor]

Since i am as of yet unable to use Springsharp, can i get some serious assistance in putting together my IJN?

Zor

[Steve]

Since i am as of yet unable to use Springsharp, can i get some serious assistance in putting together my IJN?

Zor

Why not just use the historical IJN, with some slight alterations in force levels? No WNT, for instance, could mean Akagi and such got built as cruisers.

[Beowulf]

Since i am as of yet unable to use Springsharp, can i get some serious assistance in putting together my IJN?

Zor

Why not just use the historical IJN, with some slight alterations in force levels? No WNT, for instance, could mean Akagi and such got built as cruisers.

Amagi. Though, if the earthquake still happens, Amagi is still going to end up wrecked on the ways, so it'll still be the Akagi as the lead ship, but of battlecruisers.

[Dark Hellion]

Woah! I didn't mean to completely throw the whole system into question. I phrased that badly. I just wanted to have my case laid out in public because of bad experiences with PM conversations in previous STGODs. Hopefully, Marius and I can work this out via PMing pretty easy.

I will say that I am uncomfortable with the idea that first claim can allow someone to stick together a country from various European countries colonies (Mozambique had been held for over 300 years by Portugal as of the PoD (point of divergence) while South Africa and Botswana are British) and then use that to shoulder out new players. I really only want Angola, I have worked out a back story with Norade (who has Portugal, owner of Angola for 400 years) having missed Marius claim for the Southern half. Hopefully, we can work this out really easily over a few PMs, get a working backstory going and all of this will be nothing more than the nuts and bolts of territory allocation.

And Steve there is very little refrigeration, your ice is a valuable resource. Plus you can export polar bears for cavalry.

[Steve]

Marius has already agreed to cede claims in Angola to you.