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Darth Wong wrote:How often does that kind of sentence actually get applied to a first-time DUI with no accident?
I don't have any official figures for that, but anecdotally speaking the last guy I know who got one had to pay about $10,000, get the ignition breathalyzer, and spend a couple weeks in jail after he got caught driving with three beers in him when somebody who was even more drunk hit him while he was stopped for a red light and the police responded to that.

EDIT: He also got a large number of hours of community service.

Regarding the exposure case:
FOX 5 has learned she is a respected member of the community, and just happens to be the wife of a Fairfax County Police officer.
I just noticed this little shocker in the second article. I love how they phrase that. "Just happens" my ass. :D

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I suppose I'm lucky nothing more came of the incident with the garbage man getting an unexpected view of my backyard nude gardening habits.
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Darth Wong wrote:I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.
I doubt this guy would get the max for a first offense. He'd likely be issued a fine and community service and/or counseling. The max is usually given to those who re-offend.
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salm wrote: So what? Why should that be illegal?
Because people walking down the sidewalk also have a right to feel safe. Persons who deliberately expose themself to a woman with her child is alarming for a parent.

Ask yourself why should excessively loud music coming from a home be illegal? It's not harming anyone. It is disturbing others, but there's no harm.
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The question to me is where she actually was at the time, and whether or not the guy really was perving around, vs. just making his coffee.

If she's running around peering in his window or whatever, then I can't see any issue, and it sounds like a hysterical idiot at work.

I'm inclined to believe it's a hysterical idiot, given the information so far, but that's just my own bias talking; it could well be a perv, but I'd want to know more before getting on my high-horse.
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Darth Wong wrote: Heh. The guy was eventually acquited. I wonder what would have happened if the same case had come up in Virginia.
In Fairfax? We're derisively referred to as "The People's Republic of Fairfax" for trying to push through crazy shit like "it's against the law to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation" and "Charging $20 per-sign left out by a candidate's campaign 5 days after election day"(Because we persistently vote Democrat, and thus are obviously targeting Republicans with that law since all the campaign workers quit when someone loses).

But yeah, I bet this guy will get acquitted. Really, Fairfax County has better stuff to do than deal with this.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote: Because people walking down the sidewalk also have a right to feel safe. Persons who deliberately expose themself to a woman with her child is alarming for a parent.

Ask yourself why should excessively loud music coming from a home be illegal? It's not harming anyone. It is disturbing others, but there's no harm.
The statement about safety is of course true.

But there is next to no actual threat in that situation. He (the offender) is no where near her (the offended). Claiming that any threat arises from that is just plain wrong.
Explain how one can feel seriously threatened by that - and that means a threat worse than just seeing someone nude for a brief moment.

I agree that one could view it as offensive - but that justifies a fine, and nothing more.
And even that should only apply if you can somehow show that it was deliberate.
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Ordinarily I would have expected community service and a fine of some type, based on the witness being the wife of a police offficer and the comments that the man had been drunk earlier. Some judge will get on his high horse and chastise.

However, the lawyers seems pretty fired up and makes a pretty good point ath might keep everyone hoenst

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Serafina wrote: The statement about safety is of course true.

But there is next to no actual threat in that situation. He (the offender) is no where near her (the offended). Claiming that any threat arises from that is just plain wrong.

Explain how one can feel seriously threatened by that - and that means a threat worse than just seeing someone nude for a brief moment.
I'm not talking about seeing someone nude for a brief moment. I'm talking from the womans point of view that this man pursued them from one window to another and deliberately exposed himself to this woman and her child. That seems to be her claim.

Now, I'm not a parent. However, I would feel alarmed by a person who is deliberately willing to expose himself to my child and then continue to pursue myself and my child from one window to another. This would probably cause me to change my route on a public sidewalk due to this mans actions.

I think the problem here is that people aren't able to put themselves in the shoes of this woman because they've already decided that she's being a prude.
I agree that one could view it as offensive - but that justifies a fine, and nothing more.
And even that should only apply if you can somehow show that it was deliberate.
As I'm sure you've noted I agree with this. I don't agree with jail, or being added to a sexual offender list. However, I do think he should be documented so any existing pattern can be documented (which curiously is something the police are trying to get other members of the community to come forward because they suspect him of doing this to others).

I actually don't even agree with a fine at this point since it sounds like they don't have any evidence that this even occurred.
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I wonder how many people would actually even notice something like that up here. :roll:
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Now, I'm not a parent. However, I would feel alarmed by a person who is deliberately willing to expose himself to my child and then continue to pursue myself and my child from one window to another. This would probably cause me to change my route on a public sidewalk due to this mans actions.
Could that not just be covered by harassment laws? Does it really need its own separate "indecent exposure" charge, as well? That's what Darth Wong was objecting to, I think, that criminalizing nudity was stupid.
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Here's a video where the man gives his side of the story. If what he says is true (and it might not be), than the whole thing is pretty stupid. According to him, the woman was only able to see him through the window because she was cutting across his lawn. He wasn't even visable from the public sidewalk.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:I think the problem here is that people aren't able to put themselves in the shoes of this woman because they've already decided that she's being a prude.
I think people here aren't able to put herselves in her position is asinine. Even if he did expose himself to her deliberately, the worst he's done has been being rude, which is something that you shouldn't call the cops over, as the sight of someone's naked penis does, uh, what again did you say the danger that the sight of someone's naked penis posed to them again?
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.
I doubt this guy would get the max for a first offense. He'd likely be issued a fine and community service and/or counseling. The max is usually given to those who re-offend.
Of course, we'reall being silly! Because being naked in your own house merits community service, much less a fine. Much less counseling.
I know that you probably don't think that it does either, but honestly, the ludicrousness of this situation needs as much highlighting as possible.
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Gil Hamilton wrote: I think people here aren't able to put herselves in her position is asinine.
Do you mean they aren't able to because her position is asinine?
Even if he did expose himself to her deliberately, the worst he's done has been being rude,
Being rude is chewing with your mouth open or farting in public among other persons. Having the mental capability to deliberately expose yourself to a mother and her child is a sign of mental illness. You seem to think it is OK to display your penis to a child...
which is something that you shouldn't call the cops over, as the sight of someone's naked penis does, uh, what again did you say the danger that the sight of someone's naked penis posed to them again?
In this case, especially given the new information posted by Superboy, I completely agree.

I never said anything about danger imposed by a bare penis. I did say people have a right to feel safe when walking down a sidewalk, and the action of a person deliberately exposing them self to a mother with her child does cause alarm. Do you think it doesn't?
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Molyneux wrote:
Of course, we'reall being silly! Because being naked in your own house merits community service, much less a fine. Much less counseling.
I know that you probably don't think that it does either, but honestly, the ludicrousness of this situation needs as much highlighting as possible.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Molyneux wrote:
Of course, we're all being silly! Because being naked in your own house merits community service, much less a fine. Much less counseling.
I know that you probably don't think that it does either, but honestly, the ludicrousness of this situation needs as much highlighting as possible.
No, I never said it did. Please actually read the thread before commenting. Thanks a bunch, now drive thru.
Thanks for, apparently, reading only the first half of my two-line comment. I'm sorry that it was apparently too long for you to make your way through.
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Molyneux wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Molyneux wrote:
Of course, we're all being silly! Because being naked in your own house merits community service, much less a fine. Much less counseling.
I know that you probably don't think that it does either, but honestly, the ludicrousness of this situation needs as much highlighting as possible.
No, I never said it did. Please actually read the thread before commenting. Thanks a bunch, now drive thru.
Thanks for, apparently, reading only the first half of my two-line comment. I'm sorry that it was apparently too long for you to make your way through.
Frankly, I don't give a shit about your disclaimer post. If you KNOW that I probably don't think it does either then you should probably have kept it to yourself. Furthermore, if you have been paying attention to this thread you'd know for a fact that I do not think that it does no probably about it so at this point your post is completely unnecessary as written.
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Oh no a child might see a penis! Help! Help! The horror! The humanity!

Why exactly is it a problem Kam? Seriously, you're stating it as though it's some terrible thing, but you dont say why...
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Keevan_Colton wrote:Oh no a child might see a penis! Help! Help! The horror! The humanity!

Why exactly is it a problem Kam? Seriously, you're stating it as though it's some terrible thing, but you dont say why...
No, a child seeing a penis isn't a problem. A person actively trying to display his penis to a child is a problem.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Oh no a child might see a penis! Help! Help! The horror! The humanity!

Why exactly is it a problem Kam? Seriously, you're stating it as though it's some terrible thing, but you dont say why...
No, a child seeing a penis isn't a problem. A person actively trying to display his penis to a child is a problem.
The difference between someone walking between two windows of a house that a child "happens" to walk by and actively displaying his penis would be. . .what? I mean other than "he said she said" it seems like it would be incredibly subjective in this country given how many people gasp in shock at the sight of a penis at all.
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Superboy wrote:Here's a video where the man gives his side of the story. If what he says is true (and it might not be), than the whole thing is pretty stupid. According to him, the woman was only able to see him through the window because she was cutting across his lawn. He wasn't even visable from the public sidewalk.
An friend on another forum also lives in the area, and he also mentioned this fact.

The Woman was cutting across the man's YARD, not on the sidewalk, not using a public walkway, but cutting through the yard when she looked up and saw nekkid man.

As someone who suffers from youths cutting through the yard on their way to the hoops, you can understand why I now think the lady needs to shut up and sit down. She (and her kid) shouldn't have been there in the first place! :evil:
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I'm wondering if he actually 'persued' or whatever, or if she saw him naked in the window on one side, and then saw him through a 2nd window while he hadn't actually moved.
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If she was in his yard, then that pretty much confirms the hysterical idiot hypothesis.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:Furthermore, if you have been paying attention to this thread you'd know for a fact that I do not think that it does no probably about it so at this point your post is completely unnecessary as written.
"I do not think that it does no probably about it"? Care to try again in English, sport? I can't make head or tail of that.
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