Trytostaydead wrote:
Yes Ender. It IS fanboyism. I would like to see two universes that I love duke it out in some person's wild flight of imagination. This was a "what if" section buddy, not a tally.
And it was not an argument.
This is a Versus board. This is a versus thread on a versus board. You are claiming that Dune will win. THat is an idea, AKA argument. Now you must back up why you think it would be so.
As for #'s, I would have no idea where to get #'s for the Dune universe. The best estimates from the books are given that there are about a million worlds in the Corrino Empire. Though it is given that there are far more outside that is the source of danger and sanctuary for renegade Houses.
Well you need to produce some if you want to claim they would win.
For estimation, the Guild is given to employ billions just to service their ships on Junction. The Ixians would also employ probably at least millions to build a Heighleiner.
Great. In Star Wars single planets have trillions of beings on them, and the small shipyard at Yaga Minor is described as being the size of a moon in Remnant.
These ships are given dimensions large enough to transport almost an entire House and have some room for more. In Dune, it seemed like House Atreides left in two groups. An advanced party and then the rest of the household. Though I would assume the advanced party was just a portion of their House troops to secure the area for the Ducal family.
Great. But not really relevent to combat. While size matters, so does firepower. Borg Cubes are huge, but they get shredded by ISDs. And single ISDs carry over 46 thousand people.
For at least Imperial battleships, five heighleiners were needed to transport a relatively small amount of ships to Arrakis. The Emperor's "tent" on Arrakis contained at least five legions of Sardaukar and their accompanying servants and women and the Imperial court.
The ability to carry alot of people doesn't mean a thing.
At least one artificial moon is mentioned, the Kronos Laboratories. If they built one for research, it is not unconceivable that they could build one for defense or offense purposes, or at least on that scale.
Great. The OR, GE, and NR all routinely build moon sized constructs in short periods of time (60% DS2 completed in 6 months)
The numbers in the book about population and military losses were actually quite small since they dealt with only Arrakis. However, you have to remember that Arrakis has a small population (10 million), and the Harkonnen and Sardaukar had plenty more worlds to control and probably only proportionaly deployed a small fraction of their numbers.
Great, but you are yet to present any hard numbers.