Man Arrested For Being Naked In Own Kitchen

[Kamakazie Sith]

Oh no a child might see a penis! Help! Help! The horror! The humanity!

Why exactly is it a problem Kam? Seriously, you're stating it as though it's some terrible thing, but you dont say why...

No, a child seeing a penis isn't a problem. A person actively trying to display his penis to a child is a problem.

The difference between someone walking between two windows of a house that a child "happens" to walk by and actively displaying his penis would be. . .what? I mean other than "he said she said" it seems like it would be incredibly subjective in this country given how many people gasp in shock at the sight of a penis at all.

I agree, which is why I said if I were there I would not have made an arrest.

[Zadius]

I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.

It's true. I know of a guy who got drunk and went through the drive-thru at McDonald's and exposed himself to the employees. He's now on the sex offender registry for life, but did they so much as suspend his drivers license for drunk driving? Nope!

[salm]

So what? Why should that be illegal?

Because people walking down the sidewalk also have a right to feel safe. Persons who deliberately expose themself to a woman with her child is alarming for a parent.

So are people wearing gorilla costumes chanting satanic verses. Should we ban gorilla costumes? I think the right to walking around in your home nude, even if you´re "following" people from window to window is more important than the right to "not be scared".

Ask yourself why should excessively loud music coming from a home be illegal? It's not harming anyone. It is disturbing others, but there's no harm.

Loud music is different because it is objectively harmful because it keeps people from sleeping and causes stress. Furthermore the people being molested by music can do nothing reasonable to get out of the situation whereas the mother and her kid can simply walk away.

[Zixinus]

I can't wrap my head around what this woman thinks: that nudity doesn't exist? That people aren't naked underneath their clothes but exist as clothed entities?

I mean, what if her child watches a anthropological film about hunter-gatherer natives? Those people, odds are, going to be mostly naked. Yet I can't imagine anyone refusing his child to watch a documentary about tribal natives.

My only conclusion is that she does not view human beings as whole, biological entities but something like abstract concepts that are categorised based on what set of arbitrary rules they follow.

I'm sure that its not that simple, but still... I just can't wrap my head around this one.

[salm]

I mean, what if her child watches a anthropological film about hunter-gatherer natives? Those people, odds are, going to be mostly naked. Yet I can't imagine anyone refusing his child to watch a documentary about tribal natives.

Stories like this allways remind me of Marseillan Plage.
Her head would explode if her kid somehow made it to Marseillan Plage in southern France. There the regular beach is right next to the nude beach where you see plenty of naked gay people making out and lesbian women connected via chains from tit piercing to tit piercing. And the children, some of whom are naked, play around in the sand and water just like normal kids.
If you´ve seen stuff like that then the womans complaint just seems to come from outer space.

Or maybe we should cut her some slack. We wouldn´t be up i arms if this happened in an average Arabic country, either. Or would we? I´d be interested in the reactions of the average American prude who views the arrest in this case as something positive if they here about a similar case happening in Pakistan.

[Kamakazie Sith]

So are people wearing gorilla costumes chanting satanic verses. Should we ban gorilla costumes? I think the right to walking around in your home nude, even if you´re "following" people from window to window is more important than the right to "not be scared".

This is more of a big picture thing that I've been failing to communicate properly. A man that is willing to expose himself to a child should be investigated. Now, I disagree with the arrest in this instance, but I don't disagree with investigating someone who is exposing himself to children even if it is from the window of his own home.

Now you seem to be arguing from a cultural perspective, but from a law enforcement perspective, which is where I'm coming from, child predators do expose themselves to children.

Loud music is different because it is objectively harmful because it keeps people from sleeping and causes stress. Furthermore the people being molested by music can do nothing reasonable to get out of the situation whereas the mother and her kid can simply walk away.

True.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I can't wrap my head around what this woman thinks: that nudity doesn't exist? That people aren't naked underneath their clothes but exist as clothed entities?

I mean, what if her child watches a anthropological film about hunter-gatherer natives? Those people, odds are, going to be mostly naked. Yet I can't imagine anyone refusing his child to watch a documentary about tribal natives.

My only conclusion is that she does not view human beings as whole, biological entities but something like abstract concepts that are categorised based on what set of arbitrary rules they follow.

I'm sure that its not that simple, but still... I just can't wrap my head around this one.

If I understand her story correctly. It wasn't that he was just naked. It was his actions while being naked. IE deliberately following this woman and her child from one window of his house to another with the purpose of exposing his penis. Did you read something different?

Now, I think this woman is in the wrong because she was cutting through his yard, and I don't believe she is being entirely honest about what actually happened.

[Stuart]

The Woman was cutting across the man's YARD, not on the sidewalk, not using a public walkway, but cutting through the yard when she looked up and saw nekkid man.

I begin to sense what might really be going on here. What's the betting this woman has been cutting through the guy's yard on a regular basis and he told her to cut it out or he'd report her to the police for trespassing. So she decided to get him first by making this complaint. After all, a lot of people make morning coffee and/or breakfast before getting dressed (although frying bacon while naked and in a state of sexual excitement should be avoided). So what this boils down to is a guy who's a bit of a slob and a spiteful, self-righteous woman.

[Zixinus]

It was his actions while being naked. IE deliberately following this woman and her child from one window of his house to another with the purpose of exposing his penis. Did you read something different?

Yes: this man was making coffee for himself and was in his own house. Unless the news item missed something, he did not approach the child or even make absolutely clear signals that he acknowledges his presence.

The call should have been investigated but the police officers should have dismissed the lady when it became clear that it would have been impossible for the man to approach the child and that he was in his own home the entire time.

If the woman wasn't the wife of the police officer's superiors, I suspect the same thing would have happened: the police force would take full 10 minutes to investigate the case, call in a false alarm and tell the woman not to waste police resources.

[Stuart]

If the woman wasn't the wife of the police officer's superiors.

I missed that bit somehow. Mea Culpa.

That adds more weight to my hypothesis. The woman thinks. "My husband is a senior police officer, I can do whatever I want. I'll teach you not to complain about me using your yard anyway I want".

Is there any actual evidence that the guy was naked? Or even making coffee? Or even in the house?

[Darth Wong]

If the woman wasn't the wife of the police officer's superiors.

I missed that bit somehow. Mea Culpa.

That adds more weight to my hypothesis. The woman thinks. "My husband is a senior police officer, I can do whatever I want. I'll teach you not to complain about me using your yard anyway I want".

Is there any actual evidence that the guy was naked? Or even making coffee? Or even in the house?

The kid can probably testify that his mother held him up to the window so that he could clearly see the crime in progress for evidentiary purposes.

[Alyrium Denryle]

If the woman wasn't the wife of the police officer's superiors.

I missed that bit somehow. Mea Culpa.

That adds more weight to my hypothesis. The woman thinks. "My husband is a senior police officer, I can do whatever I want. I'll teach you not to complain about me using your yard anyway I want".

Is there any actual evidence that the guy was naked? Or even making coffee? Or even in the house?

He admitted to that part.

[Darth Wong]

Remember kids, if someone is trespassing on your lawn and you're indecently dressed, you can't go to the window and gesture at him to get off your property, or you go to jail!

Seriously, that seems to be the argument in effect here: if he acknowledged their presence on his lawn while being naked in his own kitchen, then he's at fault.

[ThomasP]

Apologies if this has been mentioned, but has the time of the incident been clarified anywhere? I see one mention of 5:30 am and another of 8:30 am.

If the argument is being made that he was deliberately following them from window to window to expose himself, then I have to wonder how he'd even see outside if he's in a lit room before the sun's even up.

Otherwise, I'm still heavily leaning towards this being a hysterical prude, or as Stuart mentioned, somebody trying to be a snot.

[Eulogy]

This will bite the bitch in the ass and tear huge chunks off of it, mark my words. If the guy doesn't get proper vengeance for this outrage, then the bint's behaviour will fuck her over so bad that not even her hubby's superiors will make her feel better.

[Bilbo]

I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.

This is the hard work of the American psychiatric community here. Who is harmed and how much is at the core of some of the most irrational laws and theories ever created. Of course this is the same organization that basically says 1/3 to 1/2 of all women walking the planet have been sexually assaulted in form or another in their life.

[fenrir666]

I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.

This is the hard work of the American psychiatric community here. Who is harmed and how much is at the core of some of the most irrational laws and theories ever created. Of course this is the same organization that basically says 1/3 to 1/2 of all women walking the planet have been sexually assaulted in form or another in their life.

I'd actually heard that, but I was under the impression that they were speaking of a highly populated, highly dangerous part of North Africa, or some other such place...

[Teebs]

This is the hard work of the American psychiatric community here. Who is harmed and how much is at the core of some of the most irrational laws and theories ever created. Of course this is the same organization that basically says 1/3 to 1/2 of all women walking the planet have been sexually assaulted in form or another in their life.

If you count being groped, then I'd be surprised if it's that low, every single girl that I know who has been in a club or bar on more than a couple of occasions and isn't outright repulsive has been groped. Sexual assault doesn't just mean rape.

[ArmorPierce]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

[Molyneux]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

I have to wonder if there's some means of putting an electroconductive lining into clothing that would only trigger a spark if it's put under more than a certain threshold of pressure (and not, of course, shock the wearer). That is just plain repulsive...how many scumbags are there out there?

[Alyrium Denryle]

I can't believe there are such high penalties for "indecent exposure". Yes, it's rude and obnoxious, but the idea that someone is actually harmed by it is absurd. You could get caught on a first-offense DUI and not get anywhere near as harsh a sentence as you get for "indecent exposure". In fact, if anyone proposed such sentences for first-offense DUI, I suspect there would be outrage.

This is the hard work of the American psychiatric community here. Who is harmed and how much is at the core of some of the most irrational laws and theories ever created. Of course this is the same organization that basically says 1/3 to 1/2 of all women walking the planet have been sexually assaulted in form or another in their life.

It is not that high. Most stats I have read put it at ~1/4 and the question usually asked is "Has this happened to you?/Have you done this? And this? And this?" with some of those questions being things that meet the legal definitions of rape and sexual assault, some of them being innocuous. That is how those numbers are arrived at. It just so happens that a good chunk of guys are willing to force themselves on a female one way or the other. This should not be surprising considering what happens with many other primates, as well as pretty much every vertebrate for that matter. Nature is one big rapeathon and humans are no different.

Might the legal definition of rape be a bit overbroad (because it does include sex while above the legal driving limit) maybe. That can certainly be argued. However the biological significance of it (getting around female choice by getting the girl a little sauced) remains. It has the same purpose.

Do we actually have an update to this story?

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

I have to wonder if there's some means of putting an electroconductive lining into clothing that would only trigger a spark if it's put under more than a certain threshold of pressure (and not, of course, shock the wearer). That is just plain repulsive...how many scumbags are there out there?

I've heard several stories of much simpler means of dealing with it. Women who have dealt with being groped before and are tired of it have taken to carrying pins or needles with them in crowded public places. Once a grope is taking place, a quick jab at the offending hand tends to ensure they'll think twice about groping again. Keep it up long enough in one general area with enough dedicated women and you could theoretically build up an aversion-reaction to groping with everyone there.

[Skgoa]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

Where do you live? I am not trying to imply anything by that question, but what you describe is absolutely unbelievable to me.

[Molyneux]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

I have to wonder if there's some means of putting an electroconductive lining into clothing that would only trigger a spark if it's put under more than a certain threshold of pressure (and not, of course, shock the wearer). That is just plain repulsive...how many scumbags are there out there?

I've heard several stories of much simpler means of dealing with it. Women who have dealt with being groped before and are tired of it have taken to carrying pins or needles with them in crowded public places. Once a grope is taking place, a quick jab at the offending hand tends to ensure they'll think twice about groping again. Keep it up long enough in one general area with enough dedicated women and you could theoretically build up an aversion-reaction to groping with everyone there.

That is a nice thing to read. Thank you for brightening up my...er, night. Need to start reading this forum more during the day, so my turns of phrase don't start getting mixed up.

[General Zod]

Uhh yeah. If a girl goes through a crowded area like street fair, club, etc... she can pretty much bet on being groped. It happens so much that some girls just let it happen because it is impossible to do anything about it. So I definitely can see 1/3 1/2 of all women having been sexually assaulted if that includes being groped unwanted.

Where do you live? I am not trying to imply anything by that question, but what you describe is absolutely unbelievable to me.

I'd imagine that sort of thing is rather common everywhere, you just don't hear about it as much in some places. I mean fuck, in Japan groping on trains is so bad that there was a massive amount of outcry to get a female only car on every train.