SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

[Thanas]

Better version listed here.

[Siege]

Sweet! I'll buy four as my Great Sultan class if that's okay with you: Saif ad-Din Qutuz the Defender, Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb the Conqueror, Suleiman ad-Din As-Sadiq the Glorious and Nasir ad-Din ibn Muhammad the Restorer.

[Thanas]

Four orders by the Egyptian sultanate. Do you wish to have them built in your shipyards under German supervision or do you want Germany to built them for you?

Note that we have not yet figured out how to have the economy functioning, so we may have to revisit this deal once they are completed.

[Siege]

I was assuming at least the first two or so would have been finished before the start of the game myself -- they're supposed to be the top of the line battleship for my navy.

Anyway, I intend to buy most of my biggest ships abroad, so I'm fine with them being German-built in their entirety; my own shipyards are probably limited to building things like destroyer leaders, monitors and the occasional battlecruiser. I'm mostly a continental power, no need for huge battleship wharves.

[Thanas]

EDIT: Found out I posted the wrong report. Just exchange the standard 6 inch to quick-firing guns.

[Raesene]

My replacments for capital ships lost during the Austro-Italian war (but this time, Italy wo the Battle of Lissa )

Lorenzo de Medici, Tuscan Kingdom battlecruiser laid down 1922 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
31.950 t light; 33.770 t standard; 36.154 t normal; 38.061 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(764,91 ft / 754,59 ft) x 98,43 ft x (29,53 / 30,78 ft)
(233,14 m / 230,00 m) x 30,00 m x (9,00 / 9,38 m)

Armament:
12 - 12,99" / 330 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.212,54lbs / 550,00kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1922 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5,51" / 140 mm 45,0 cal guns - 90,00lbs / 40,82kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1922 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,25lbs / 0,11kg shells, 150 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 15.834 lbs / 7.182 kg
10 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,092 t each, 20,922 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 492,13 ft / 150,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,57" / 40 mm 492,13 ft / 150,00 m 27,23 ft / 8,30 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 6,69" / 170 mm 11,0" / 280 mm
2nd: 2,76" / 70 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 2,76" / 70 mm
3rd: 1,57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 3,94" / 100 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3,94" / 100 mm Quarter deck: 3,94" / 100 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 140.624 shp / 104.906 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 7.500nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.290 tons

Complement:
1.310 - 1.704

Cost:
£8,592 million / $34,367 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3.156 tons, 8,7%
- Guns: 3.135 tons, 8,7%
- Torpedoes: 21 tons, 0,1%
Armour: 9.322 tons, 25,8%
- Belts: 2.160 tons, 6,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 781 tons, 2,2%
- Armament: 2.430 tons, 6,7%
- Armour Deck: 3.904 tons, 10,8%
- Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 4.917 tons, 13,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 14.450 tons, 40,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.204 tons, 11,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 105 tons, 0,3%
- Hull below water: 10 tons
- Hull above water: 20 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
47.251 lbs / 21.432 Kg = 43,1 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 6,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 5,7 ft / 1,7 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,86
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,577 / 0,583
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,47 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 30,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 23,29 ft / 7,10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178,0%
Waterplane Area: 53.163 Square feet or 4.939 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1.034 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,05
- Longitudinal: 1,46
- Overall: 1,08
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

-) Misc. Weight for aircraft facilities for three floatplanes with a starting ramp over the aft gun turret.
Wheels are built into the floats to permit use of a ramp.
-) Wavebreakers will be erected to keep the ship drier.
-) Quintuple topedo tubes with splinter protection on the lower quarter deck.

*****
Expect about 3 of those to be built in total, with one complete at the beginning of the game, one nearing completion (6-12 months until ready for active service) and one on the stocks. The predreadnoughts would be harbour defense ships or scrapped with their guns transferred to coastal artillery, and three of the italian dreadnoughts still in existance in original configuration.

I'll think about cruisers, destroyers, MTBs and submarines later.

[Norade]

How are we defining capital ships in this game? Is it gun size, number of guns, tonnage or a sort of holistic approach to deciding what is and isn't a capital ship.

[Thanas]

That ship is seriously underarmored. I mean, 8 inch armor only? And only a 4 inch armored deck?

Geez.

[Raesene]

That ship is seriously underarmored. I mean, 8 inch armor only? And only a 4 inch armored deck?

Geez.

The Medicis are to be cornerstones of cruiser flotillas, so more supercruisers than battleships - definitely not designed to slug it out with battleships, but run from anything with guns bigger than 12''-13''. It fits into the Italian navy's (foolish) favouring speed and guns over protection. If it meets e.g. a G3, she's most likely dead - but my constructors don't know its parameters...
I may delete one turret to increase protection, but as I see my nation, I can't build/afford anything like enough true battleships to protect my colonies and the homeland - so I have to look for and invest in alternatives. Maybe successive units will be bigger, slower, more heavily armed but better protected. It's what you get when you try to build a vessel similar to Dunkerque 10 years earlier.

[Ma Deuce]

Here is my main export ship - an updated version of the Bayern class, designed for nations who cannot build any ships larger than 30kt.

Hull form copyright by me, it took me several hours to get it right.

Thanas, is it just me, or did you forget to superfire the mounts for the main battery? Also, I have a few questions regarding your deck armor layout; namely, why you considered it necessary to armor the forecastle and quarterdeck almost as thickly as the vitals, and also why you chose to limit the horizontal protection over the vitals to a "box over magazine and engines" arrangement rather than using a continuous armored deck (i know this is a export design, but still...).

[Thanas]

No, I did not forget to superfire them. Deliberate design choice not to have them superfiring, ship is optimized for broadside firing.

As for the forecastle and quarterdeck, what would you chose to have available?

As for the box over magazine and engines, I thought this was the armored box concept? Or am I massively mistaken in it?

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

If an 8" belt and 4" of deck armor is considered inadequate, then that doesn't really bode well for my proposed Libertad class, which isn't much better in that regard (9" main belt, 6" ends and upper, 9" torpedo bulkhead, 3" deck). Oh well.

[Thanas]

I am curious. Could one do away with belt and ends armor?

[Agent Sorchus]

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Boundless, Sudanese Battleship laid down 1920 (Engine 1922)

Displacement:
	40,699 t light; 43,095 t standard; 45,077 t normal; 46,662 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(680.00 ft / 658.43 ft) x 96.00 ft x (41.60 / 42.80 ft)
	(207.26 m / 200.69 m) x 29.26 m  x (12.68 / 13.05 m)

Armament:
      12 - 14.50" / 368 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,537.31lbs / 697.31kg shells, 120 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model
	  3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
		1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.48lbs / 62.81kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1922 Model
	  12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      36 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 3,600 per gun
	  Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  18 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1920 Model
	  4 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 21,448 lbs / 9,729 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	15.5" / 394 mm	427.98 ft / 130.45 m	11.76 ft / 3.58 m
	Ends:	6.00" / 152 mm	230.43 ft / 70.24 m	11.76 ft / 3.58 m
	Upper:	8.00" / 203 mm	427.98 ft / 130.45 m	8.00 ft / 2.44 m
	  Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
	  Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
		3.20" / 81 mm	427.98 ft / 130.45 m	39.23 ft / 11.96 m
	Beam between torpedo bulkheads 48.00 ft / 14.63 m

   - Hull void:
		25.0" / 635 mm	221.00 ft / 67.36 m	25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	18.0" / 457 mm	12.0" / 305 mm		6.00" / 152 mm
	2nd:	4.20" / 107 mm	1.00" / 25 mm		2.00" / 51 mm
	3rd:	1.00" / 25 mm	      -			      -
	5th:	      -		      -			12.0" / 305 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
	For and Aft decks: 4.50" / 114 mm
	Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
	Coal fired boilers, steam turbines, 
	Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 6 shafts, 108,041 shp / 80,599 Kw = 26.69 kts
	Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 3,567 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
	1,546 - 2,010

Cost:
	£9.147 million / $36.589 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 4,369 tons, 9.7 %
	   - Guns: 4,369 tons, 9.7 %
	Armour: 19,462 tons, 43.2 %
	   - Belts: 5,161 tons, 11.4 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,988 tons, 4.4 %
	   - Void: 5,111 tons, 13.0 %
	   - Armament: 3,155 tons, 7.0 %
	   - Armour Deck: 3,639 tons, 8.1 %
	   - Conning Tower: 409 tons, 0.9 %
	Machinery: 4,031 tons, 8.9 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,812 tons, 28.4 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,378 tons, 9.7 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.1 %
	   - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  58,808 lbs / 26,675 Kg = 38.6 x 14.5 " / 368 mm shells or 9.2 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
	Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
	Roll period: 17.0 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.00
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has a flush deck,
	  a normal bow and a cruiser stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.604
	Length to Beam Ratio: 6.86 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 25.66 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	20.00 %,  30.00 ft / 9.14 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
	   - Aft deck:	35.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
	   - Quarter deck:	15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
	   - Average freeboard:		24.21 ft / 7.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.0 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.4 %
	Waterplane Area: 46,230 Square feet or 4,295 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1,005 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.92
		- Longitudinal: 2.02
		- Overall: 1.00
	Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Excellent accommodation and workspace room
        One float plane

The only failing of this design is that I could not get the Main belt to extend enough to cover all the magazine and engine spaces.

[Ma Deuce]

No, I did not forget to superfire them. Deliberate design choice not to have them superfiring.

Ah, okay. You did mention it being based on Bayern, so I assumed it would follow the same configuration.

As for the box over magazine and engines, I thought this was the armored box concept? Or am I massively mistaken in it?

The "armored box" concept refers to the entire main armored citadel surrounding the vital areas of the ship's hull, including the belts, transverse closing bulkheads, and one or more armored decks. The so-called "box over machinery and magazines" configuration in SS means specifically limiting deck armor to nothing more than the magazines and machinery and leaving other areas open to plunging fire, rather than extending the armored deck over the entire length of the main belts and the beam between them. While this allows those components to be exceptionally well protected for a given weight, it's probably not a good idea for capital ships, because you'll want to keep plunging shells out of the underwater spaces altogether, as even if they don't damage the engines and magazines, they can still do very bad things™ to the ship's watertight integrity. Still, even full armored decks were often thicker over the magazines than other areas.

BTW, during the last few minutes I threw together a my own take of a "Super Bayern" armed with 16-inch guns while remaining under 30,000 tons that still colesly follows the original pattern, based on a meticulous replica I made of the real Bayern a while back (I replicated numerous real ships in SS to serve as references for my own), if you're interested in seeing it.

I am curious. Could one do away with belt and ends armor?

Well, you could also go to an "all or nothing" scheme. While eliminating the main belt entirely probably isn't a good idea, battlecruisers with thinner belts (enough to keep out say, 8" cruiser guns) should still be quite viable provided they're very fast, and that they retain adequate deck armor to tackle long-range plunging fire.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Byzantine Battleship, based on modified Bismarck Hullform

JJustinian, Byzantne Empire Battleship laid down 1921

Displacement:
31,933 t light; 33,916 t standard; 35,000 t normal; 35,867 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(651.49 ft / 623.36 ft) x 98.43 ft (Bulges 101.71 ft) x (32.81 / 33.49 ft)
(198.57 m / 190.00 m) x 30.00 m (Bulges 31.00 m) x (10.00 / 10.21 m)

Armament:
8 - 15.98" / 406 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,059.37lbs / 934.11kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 37.0 cal guns - 59.07lbs / 26.79kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1921 Model
8 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,691 lbs / 8,478 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.5" / 343 mm 557.74 ft / 170.00 m 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Ends: 2.50" / 64 mm 62.34 ft / 19.00 m 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
3.28 ft / 1.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 4.72" / 120 mm 562.34 ft / 171.40 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Main Belt covers 138 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.77" / 45 mm 562.34 ft / 171.40 m 27.89 ft / 8.50 m

- Hull Bulges:
0.00" / 0 mm 0.00 ft / 0.00 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.2" / 360 mm 7.09" / 180 mm 13.4" / 340 mm
2nd: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.30" / 33 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.79" / 20 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 4.00" / 102 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 4.00" / 102 mm Quarter deck: 4.00" / 102 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 11.02" / 280 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 62,901 shp / 46,924 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,952 tons

Complement:
1,279 - 1,663

Cost:
£8.018 million / $32.072 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,798 tons, 10.9 %
Armour: 14,037 tons, 40.1 %
- Belts: 5,798 tons, 16.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,028 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 3,642 tons, 10.4 %
- Armour Deck: 3,314 tons, 9.5 %
- Conning Tower: 254 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,166 tons, 6.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,846 tons, 33.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,067 tons, 8.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 86 tons, 0.2 %
- Hull below water: 83 tons
- Bulge void weights: 3 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
45,573 lbs / 20,672 Kg = 22.3 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 8.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 19.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.98
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.589 / 0.591
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 32.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.68 ft / 2.95 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 16.00 %, 29.53 ft / 9.00 m, 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Forward deck: 34.00 %, 21.98 ft / 6.70 m, 18.60 ft / 5.67 m
- Aft deck: 37.00 %, 18.60 ft / 5.67 m, 21.16 ft / 6.45 m
- Quarter deck: 13.00 %, 21.16 ft / 6.45 m, 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Average freeboard: 21.08 ft / 6.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.7 %
Waterplane Area: 44,411 Square feet or 4,126 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 213 lbs/sq ft or 1,040 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.78
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Raj Ahten]

Looking at this thread I know I'm gong to have to let others design my fleet as I'm not familiar with battleships and the like beyond the most basic level. Alternatively I could also go with historically designs which gives me the added benefit of being able to find pictures for the ships.

[Steve]

Looking at this thread I know I'm gong to have to let others design my fleet as I'm not familiar with battleships and the like beyond the most basic level. Alternatively I could also go with historically designs which gives me the added benefit of being able to find pictures for the ships.

You could. Depending upon what everyone builds and on your Navy Focus some could be foreign bought or licensed, even.

[Ma Deuce]

Now that we've gotten to the 4th page, I'm starting that think that while all these big dreadnought designs are nice and everything, I think it'd be great if we could see some smaller ships as well. Navies don't subside on capital ships alone . I'll post a light cruiser and destroyer or two tomorrow, but right now I need to go to bed.

[Ryan Thunder]

Already there.

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CSS Denodado, Columbian monitor laid down 1920

Displacement:
	5 183 t light; 5 720 t standard; 6 000 t normal; 6 224 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(399.96 ft / 393.70 ft) x 59.06 ft x (16.40 / 16.87 ft)
	(121.91 m / 120.00 m) x 18.00 m  x (5.00 / 5.14 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm 45.0 cal guns - 830.84lbs / 376.86kg shells, 200 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
	  2 x Twin mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
		1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 32.30lbs / 14.65kg shells, 300 per gun
	  Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.87lbs / 0.85kg shells, 1 000 per gun
	  Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.26lbs / 0.12kg shells, 2 000 per gun
	  Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3 590 lbs / 1 629 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	4.92" / 125 mm	236.22 ft / 72.00 m	9.22 ft / 2.81 m
	Ends:	1.97" / 50 mm	157.45 ft / 47.99 m	9.22 ft / 2.81 m
	Upper:	1.97" / 50 mm	236.22 ft / 72.00 m	8.01 ft / 2.44 m
	  Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
		1.97" / 50 mm	236.22 ft / 72.00 m	15.06 ft / 4.59 m
	Beam between torpedo bulkheads 59.06 ft / 18.00 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	3.94" / 100 mm	      -			1.97" / 50 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
	For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
	Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, 
	Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11 999 shp / 8 951 Kw = 20.00 kts
	Range 2 000nm at 15.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 504 tons

Complement:
	340 - 443

Cost:
	£1.335 million / $5.341 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 638 tons, 10.6 %
	   - Guns: 638 tons, 10.6 %
	Armour: 1 633 tons, 27.2 %
	   - Belts: 744 tons, 12.4 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 259 tons, 4.3 %
	   - Armament: 138 tons, 2.3 %
	   - Armour Deck: 478 tons, 8.0 %
	   - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
	Machinery: 420 tons, 7.0 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 492 tons, 41.5 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 817 tons, 13.6 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  9 500 lbs / 4 309 Kg = 11.5 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
	Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
	Roll period: 13.9 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.06
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has a flush deck,
	  a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.551 / 0.555
	Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 23.29 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	20.00 %,  21.82 ft / 6.65 m,  17.85 ft / 5.44 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  17.85 ft / 5.44 m,  13.88 ft / 4.23 m
	   - Aft deck:	30.00 %,  13.88 ft / 4.23 m,  13.88 ft / 4.23 m
	   - Quarter deck:	20.00 %,  13.88 ft / 4.23 m,  13.88 ft / 4.23 m
	   - Average freeboard:		15.58 ft / 4.75 m
	Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.7 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.8 %
	Waterplane Area: 16 903 Square feet or 1 570 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.90
		- Longitudinal: 2.39
		- Overall: 1.00
	Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Excellent accommodation and workspace room
	Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
	Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Steve]

Trying to make a cruiser is painful. Cruiser designs in this era, specifically 1900-1920, are primarily ones that were quickly outdated and turned into battlecruiser target practice. The entire concept of the cruiser was heavily in flux.

[Beowulf]

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Osan, Manchuria Scout Cruiser laid down 1911

Displacement:
	3,826 t light; 4,000 t standard; 4,771 t normal; 5,388 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(457.00 ft / 457.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (15.75 / 17.21 ft)
	(139.29 m / 139.29 m) x 15.24 m  x (4.80 / 5.25 m)

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 50.0 cal guns - 109.02lbs / 49.45kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model
	  4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
		2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 13.63lbs / 6.18kg shells, 200 per gun
	  Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
	  4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 927 lbs / 420 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 1.267 t each, 7.601 t total
	In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	2.00" / 51 mm	297.05 ft / 90.54 m	8.49 ft / 2.59 m
	Ends:	Unarmoured
	  Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
	  Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
		1.00" / 25 mm	297.05 ft / 90.54 m	13.46 ft / 4.10 m
	Beam between torpedo bulkheads 40.00 ft / 12.19 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	2.00" / 51 mm	1.00" / 25 mm		1.00" / 25 mm
	2nd:	0.25" / 6 mm	      -			      -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
	For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
	Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
	Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, 
	Electric motors, 4 shafts, 25,665 shp / 19,146 Kw = 26.00 kts
	Range 7,000nm at 14.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 1,388 tons

Complement:
	286 - 373

Cost:
	£0.374 million / $1.498 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 303 tons, 6.4 %
	   - Guns: 288 tons, 6.0 %
	   - Weapons: 15 tons, 0.3 %
	Armour: 714 tons, 15.0 %
	   - Belts: 208 tons, 4.4 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 148 tons, 3.1 %
	   - Armament: 82 tons, 1.7 %
	   - Armour Deck: 275 tons, 5.8 %
	Machinery: 1,042 tons, 21.8 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,767 tons, 37.0 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 945 tons, 19.8 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  7,217 lbs / 3,274 Kg = 70.1 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
	Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
	Roll period: 12.1 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has a flush deck,
	  a normal bow and a cruiser stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.464 / 0.479
	Length to Beam Ratio: 9.14 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 21.38 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
	   - Aft deck:	35.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
	   - Quarter deck:	15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
	   - Average freeboard:		15.62 ft / 4.76 m
	Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.0 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.1 %
	Waterplane Area: 14,747 Square feet or 1,370 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 84 lbs/sq ft or 410 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.96
		- Longitudinal: 1.44
		- Overall: 1.00
	Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Excellent accommodation and workspace room
	Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Could have put another 5.9" turret in, but decided against. Might be reconstructed to include a seaplane in a slightly later incarnation.

[Zor]

How do the Nagato-class and Tosa-class fair as far as battleships go?

Zor

[Norseman]

Alright this is one of my newest battleships, the Sao Paulo class from 1921, it's the first Brazilian battleship (aside from my battlecruiser and export battleship) that goes all out All or Nothing armour. Comments would be appreciated.

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São Paulo, FSR of Brazil Battleship laid down 1921

Displacement:
	35,819 t light; 37,648 t standard; 40,090 t normal; 42,043 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
	740.21 ft / 725.00 ft x 108.00 ft x 32.00 ft (normal load)
	225.61 m / 220.98 m x 32.92 m  x 9.75 m

Armament:
      10 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (4 mounts), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1912 Model
	  Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
	  on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
	  Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
	  on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1906 Model
	  Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
	  on side, evenly spread
      12 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1906 Model
	  Quick firing guns in deck mounts 
	  on side, evenly spread
      12 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1919 Model
	  Machine guns in deck mounts 
	  on side, evenly spread
	Weight of broadside 18,249 lbs / 8,278 kg
	Shells per gun, main battery: 100
	2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	14.0" / 356 mm	385.00 ft / 117.35 m	11.00 ft / 3.35 m
	Ends:	1.00" / 25 mm	340.00 ft / 103.63 m	10.00 ft / 3.05 m
	Upper:	8.00" / 203 mm	385.00 ft / 117.35 m	10.00 ft / 3.05 m
	  Main Belt covers 82 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
		4.50" / 114 mm	725.00 ft / 220.98 m	23.00 ft / 7.01 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	14.0" / 356 mm	11.0" / 279 mm		12.0" / 305 mm
	2nd:	1.50" / 38 mm	1.00" / 25 mm		2.00" / 51 mm
	3rd:	1.50" / 38 mm	1.00" / 25 mm		1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 5.30" / 135 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
	Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, 
	Geared drive, 3 shafts, 75,426 shp / 56,268 Kw = 25.03 kts
	Range 12,000nm at 12.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 4,394 tons

Complement:
	1,416 - 1,841

Cost:
	£8.994 million / $35.977 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 2,281 tons, 5.7 %
	Armour: 16,137 tons, 40.3 %
	   - Belts: 4,224 tons, 10.5 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 2,776 tons, 6.9 %
	   - Armament: 3,376 tons, 8.4 %
	   - Armour Deck: 5,408 tons, 13.5 %
	   - Conning Tower: 353 tons, 0.9 %
	Machinery: 2,597 tons, 6.5 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,403 tons, 35.9 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,271 tons, 10.7 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  55,334 lbs / 25,099 Kg = 32.8 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 11.2 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
	Metacentric height 7.1 ft / 2.2 m
	Roll period: 17.0 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has low forecastle
	Block coefficient: 0.560
	Length to Beam Ratio: 6.71 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 26.93 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
	Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
	   - Stem:		28.04 ft / 8.55 m
	   - Forecastle (18 %):	17.85 ft / 5.44 m (19.00 ft / 5.79 m aft of break)
	   - Mid (50 %):		17.85 ft / 5.44 m
	   - Quarterdeck (18 %):	17.85 ft / 5.44 m
	   - Stern:		17.85 ft / 5.44 m
	   - Average freeboard:	18.75 ft / 5.72 m
	Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.1 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.6 %
	Waterplane Area: 55,160 Square feet or 5,125 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 195 lbs/sq ft or 951 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.98
		- Longitudinal: 1.21
		- Overall: 1.00
	Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
	Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
	Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
	Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Steve]

I just noticed SpringSharp can get weird. I loaded Olympia and despite her report coming out as 1.00 Composite when I generated it, upon loading it was at .99.