BNP on BBC tonight!

[Big Orange]

While it makes for interesting traincrash television, and as thick and unpleasant as Nick Griffin was, the dogpile on him still felt overdone and artificial. And Griffin still showed up Jack Straw in regards to the military adventures in the ME.

[Crazedwraith]

And now Griffin's complaining that he got mobbed

Oddly though it seems the BBC got more complains that the show was baised against him than they did for letting him on. It was about 200 for the former and 100 for the latter.

[Gramzamber]

If one has a controversial opinion, regardless of whether it's right or not, you should expect to get "mobbed".
It's just human nature. Griffin is an idiot for thinking otherwise.

[Big Orange]

One In Five Voters Now Considering BNP

Uh, not good.

But at least two thirds of potential voters would not vote BNP under any circumstance.

[mr friendly guy]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but when he talks about the Indigenous Griffin refers to the English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish. But aren't Anglo saxons (who mainly ended up in England) immigrants from Germany who displaced the natives Britons?

[Dartzap]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but when he talks about the Indigenous Griffin refers to the English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish. But aren't Anglo saxons (who mainly ended up in England) immigrants from Germany who displaced the natives Britons?

Yep, as anyone of any intelligence would know, there is no such thing as a 'native' Briton. The place has been invaded so many times the idea is fairly hilarious.

My current thinking is that when the BNP do rise in popularity, it might spurn the millions of black, asian and generally apathetic groups to actually go out and vote for once, counter-balancing the increased BNP votes.

[mr friendly guy]

I am almost finished part 6, and it seems like no one is going to call him on his "indigenous" claim.

[speaker-to-trolls]

I wish someone had pointed out how stupid and insulting his remark about genocide against the indigenous people of Britain was in detail, Warsi touched on it but I think someone should have explained why not teaching kids to be Proud To Be English=! ethnic cleansing. Not that I expect it to have gotten through to him but I think it might have helped because I'm not particularly happy with the idea that anyone might be taken in by it. How he can say the fact that, I don't know, children don't learn the names of the Kings and Queens of England anymore or whatever his gripes are about 'not teaching people their own history' is in any way similar to what happened to the indigenous groups he cited, the Maori and Native Americans, who were basically marginalised and abused constantly for over a hundred years (more so for the Americans), I have no idea.

I notice there were quite a few questions he left unanswered, such as the one about whether he was still for what he called voluntary repatriation or whether he had considered the fact that a lot of professional immigrants coming into Britain are needed in places like the NHS.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but when he talks about the Indigenous Griffin refers to the English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish. But aren't Anglo saxons (who mainly ended up in England) immigrants from Germany who displaced the natives Britons?

That's a matter of some debate. There's good evidence that the Anglo-Saxons merely did the same thing as the Normans - namely, replace the Briton leaders and power structure with their own. The best recent proof of this is some recent genetic evidence that the majority of Britain's inhabitants today are basically the same as they were a few thousand years ago.

[Rye]

Here's some interesting information on how the public's responded to it:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

YouGov have a poll in tomorrow’s Telegraph, the first since Nick Griffin’s appearance on Question Time. It was carried out late yesterday and all day today. There isn’t actually very much detail in the Telegraph’s report, but there’s more at ConservativeHome.

The topline voting intentions, with changes from the poll last weekend, are CON 40%(-1), LAB 27%(-3), LDEM 19%(+2), BNP 3%(+1). So while the BNP support is up, it is nothing significant. 2-3% has been pretty much the norm for their support over the last couple of months, and the most recent YouGov/Telegraph poll at the end of September also had them at 3%. For the other parties, Labour are down from the 30% to 27%, more in line with the ICM and Ipsos MORI figures in the week. YouGov still have the Conservatives down at 40% in comparison to 44% and 43% from ICM and MORI.

Anyway, the poll will really be looked at for evidence of how the BNP’s Question Time appearance has gone down, rather than the main parties. As well as voting intention, YouGov asked whether people had positive or negative opinions of the smaller parties – questions that it last asked in June straight after the European elections. Back then 11% of people had a positive impression of the BNP and 72% a negative impression, today’s figures are 9% positive and 71% negative, so no sign of any improvement in people’s opinion of the BNP either. Despite all the hoohah and protests, despite the millions of people who watched Question Time, it doesn’t seem to have made any significant difference to how the public view them, or how likely they are to support them (or at least, not yet).

Asked how likely people would be to vote BNP in a future local, general or European election. 66% said there were no circumstances at all, 15% said it was “possible”, which I suspect is more of a “never say never answer”. More significant are the 7% who would definitely or probably consider voting BNP at some point in the future.

What has changed was attitudes to the BBC’s decision to invite Griffin onto Question Time. At the weekend 63% thought it was right, 23% wrong. Now the balance of opinion has shifted further in favour of the BBC’s decision, 74% thinking it was right, and only 11% wrong.

[Korgeta]

Is it really a surprise though? I don't support the BNP, their dubious and double standards, claim to be just but one of their candidates for a seat was a convicted rapist and during the small elections we had a few months ago they produced leaflets showing pictures of a doctor, construction workers and a elderly couple with quotes how they support the BNP and British jobs. Only:

A: the doctor who posed on the pic, was a picture of a american doctor they ripped from some site.

B: The construction workers posted were in fact polish.

And c: the elderly couple were Italian.

Now I am from a area that is strongly pro BNP and to an extent I can see why people go to them, there are few jobs in the north west and multi culturalisim is suffering a bit of a melt down because there is a number of other ethnic minorities who refuse to integrate into British society along with companies employing non EU workers as a requirement. take my example, I have worked for five years at a mental health hospital, co-worked with support workers and applied for one. Failed to get the job due to not effective at communication despite a CV showing a good history of bar work and dealing with service users with learning behaviors, but two weeks later they hire a man who speaks barely no word of English because my work place is required to hire a non EU even if that man is utterly unable to do the job.

I have no problem with immigration if they have the wealth and education to contribute but when things like this go about can you blame people for preferring the extremist route for that? Question time was a farce, griffin did not get a chance to speak about his policies and the matters about education and immigration were soundly ignored. The idea that 1 in 5 may vote for the BNP is because griffin, rightly or wrongly, was mobbed and even victimized because of it and it sidelined the more serious issues at stake.

[Big Orange]

OK, Griffin is in trouble with his own underlings:

BNP 'in plot to get rid of Nick Griffin'

Nick Griffin could face a fresh challenge as leader of the BNP after his performance on Question Time.

His critics within the party say he "fluffed" the chance to make the case for nationalism to the British people.

They are set to hold a meeting in a plot to topple him. "We are determined to get rid of him," a BNP member told the Standard.

However, the location and timing of the gathering are being kept secret because of fears that Mr Griffin could seek to have members who attend expelled from the far-Right party. But it is understood to be being organised by people linked to the Reform Group of the BNP. They are said to be backing a new governing structure for the party, by a committee, possibly chaired by Chris Jackson.

A number have posted damning comments on fascist websites.

One told the Standard: "A lot of people will still not know what nationalism is about. From that point of view he fluffed it."

Nearly a third of 100 people surveyed on Stormfront, a white extremist website, called on Mr Griffin to stand down after his BBC performance.

London Evening Standard