SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Steve]

As stated in the points thread, I'm adjusting my points to have 5 CT and declaring Alaska, Yukon, and the northern two-thirds of British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan to be colonial territories (Which, frankly, they are in pretty much every meaning of the word). With my empire size maxed I'm laying claim to the rest of South Australia, Western Australia, and the Canadian Northwest Territories (which is frankly logical given how the border's currently shaped).

Before I finalize this on the world map I will hear any protests to how I've done things. I also will hear any requests for counter-claims against my current claims.

Also, a reminder for those seeking colonies: MoP relinquished his claim on Queensland. It is now open for claiming, as is most of the Northern Territory sans Darwin and some surrounding area (held by Karmic).

[Norseman]

Alright I have a proposal for three different treaties, they're just proposals mind and I think the two first will be the most popular ones.

Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (COMECON)
COMECON is an organisation for regulating and promoting trade between socialist nations. In RL this organisation didn't come around before the 1950s, but there's no reason we have to wait this long this time around. The benefits of COMECON are as follows:

1. It creates a forum for discussing economic issues between socialist nations.
2. It allows for the easy exchange of technology and advisers between all the nations. This could of course be done by bilateral treaties as well, but I think this is more convenient.
3. It creates an organisation which can set prices on raw materials and semi-processed goods, thus allowing the central planning organs (FEPLAC in Brazil, GOSPLAN in Russia) to make long term plans without worrying about price fluctuations. Given how the socialist sphere is awash in natural resources this shouldn't really be a big problem.
4. Naturally it allows for easy trade between the various nations, which is important since lacks in one nation can easily be made up by goods from another. As an example Russia has a lot of coal, oil, and wheat, usually lacking from other socialist nations, but the Russians also lack rubber, sugar, etc.

Maritime Support and Supply Treaty (MAST)
An organisation dedicated to mutual support in the maritime sphere, most specifically keeping the shipping lanes between each nation open. Specifics are as follows:

1. All member nations will designate ports where naval vessels of other member nations may refuel and supply.
2. Should war be declared on a member nation the other member nations promise to act as friendly neutrals.
3. All member nations promise to promote open shipping lanes between the various nations. Any attempts to obstruct said shipping lanes or blockade any member state will be taken as an unfriendly act towards all other member states.

Treaty Organisation for Peace and Solidarity (TOPS)
Warsaw Pact or NATO equivalent, strictly defensive as in it only comes into play if you are attacked. Given that socialist nations are surrounded by enemies on all sides this may be an important issue to consider.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Isn't it be tad too early to start indulging in mutual defence treaties?

[K. A. Pital]

Yup, the 1900s aren't a place for such extensive treaties. Usually the cooperation was limited thanks to lots and lots of distrust between powers.

[Norseman]

Isn't it be tad too early to start indulging in mutual defence treaties?

Most of the treaties are fairly economic, also there were mutual support treaties in place for much of this period though generally they were more bilateral.

[Siege]

Bahrain (Requested)

The emirate of Bahrain is still up for grabs. My territory ends at Dubai, slightly to the north. We might want to work out some sort of working relationship though, I'd hate to have a British fleet blockade easy access to the Persian Gulf and my holdings in Kuwait or Dubai.

[DarthShady]

Goddamn, I have a lot of things to catch up on. For starters it seems my home territory(approximately 500000 km2) is a 2, so that kinda limits me. Especially since I haven't claimed any colonies, yet. So, what's still available?

I'll try and get all this worked out tonight. Damn RL.

[Bluewolf]

The backstory I wrote up says that the Philippines/SAU seized Hong Kong in 1839, just prior to the outbreak of the First Opium War. If you're going to press the claim further, I can just say I sold Hong Kong to you at the end of the First Opium War in 1842 and be done with the whole thing.

As compensation, I'd like to take just a tiny bit off of Guangdong province, namely Zhuhai prefecture. If Bean wants or needs more Chinese territory, maybe he'd be interested in adding Shenzhen sub-province to Hong Kong...

We agreed that you could have that and Hanian as well as part of Guangdong so your in the clear with me on that matter.

[Norade]

The map shows some other color holding Cameroon after I had already claimed it, I also still don't see French Guyana as Portuguese on the map. Seeing as I should have colony room I would also like to put in a claim on Tanzania as it appears unclaimed and was part of an earlier territory claim of mine as well. Lastly I am claiming Costa Rica.

Portugal's Homelands Territorial Claims
Portugal, and Outlaying Islands

Portugal's Colonial Territorial Claims
Costa Rica
French Guyana
Nigeria
Cameroon



I am showing in black on this map as it seems the clearest color to uses to highlight my nation.

[Thanas]

Tanzania has been claimed by Raesene before.

[Norade]

Then I shall withdraw that claim and the claim on Eastern Zambia.

[Norade]

Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

[Setzer]

I have a question. My air focus is two but my army focus is 4, and as I said, air assets are divided between army and Navy jurisdiction. According to Wikipedia, paratrooper operations were proposed during WW1 but never actually carried out before the war ended. I was considering having a primitive airborne battalion, basically about 400 men and 16 transport planes. Would that be too advanced for the early game?

[Norade]

I'm also claiming Praia. See above map for location.

[Mr Bean]

I have a question. My air focus is two but my army focus is 4, and as I said, air assets are divided between army and Navy jurisdiction. According to Wikipedia, paratrooper operations were proposed during WW1 but never actually carried out before the war ended. I was considering having a primitive airborne battalion, basically about 400 men and 16 transport planes. Would that be too advanced for the early game?

Yes the reason why they were purposed and never implemented was the fact WWI planes were not yet up to carrying the weight of a decent number of paratroopers. No could they go high enough to avoid most AA fire at the time.

[Thanas]

Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

Yeah, they are France's unless I am mistaken.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Sardinia is Byzantine.

[Siege]

How about paratrooper zeppelins? Sure they'd be horribly vulnerable to AA fire, but against tribes of hapless Sudanese natives that might just be a concept that pays off...

[Norade]

Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

Yeah, they are France's unless I am mistaken.

They weren't labeled on the map, so I thought I'd ask.

[Master_Baerne]

Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

I was counting them as part of France, and I;d rather prefer them to stay that way.

[Norade]

Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

I was counting them as part of France, and I;d rather prefer them to stay that way.

Not a problem, I though it was odd that they weren't claimed. XD

[Slacker]

Poland needs to be on the map.

[Beowulf]

Zor, does it make sense for your Japan to attack Russia over a port leased from Beowulf? And I'd love to ask the same of the mods, because that's what Beowulf proposed instead of a Russo-Manchurian war in the early 1900s, and frankly to me it makes no sense other than just trying to avoid a pre-written conflict with Russia or something.

Is it not the prerogative of the state creator to decide with which states a nation be hostile and with which it be friendly? Especially if it has conflicting territorial claims? I want to clear this question, because I don't like pre-written treaties, port leases or such stuff either, since that makes it as if the Russian Empire politicially accepted the Manchurian claims of Beowulf.

if you're that pissed about Kamchatka, you can have it. However, Russia only gained it's Manchurian territories historically by treaty with China in the mid 19th century. China doesn't own those territories in this timeline, and hasn't since the end of the Ming dynasty. You don't really have a choice about accepting my claim to Manchuria. Considering Japan did attack Russia over a port leased from China, it's not out of the question they'd still do exactly the same.

[Raj Ahten]

Trying to figure this out; is it Britain that has claimed the Falklands on the map?

[K. A. Pital]

So you're against Russo-Manchurian war in principle, Beowulf? That actually means more to me than Kamchatka, nah - you can have it.