SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

[Norseman]

Incidentally something like HMS Dreadnaught would be *utterly* obsolete by 1925

"Obsolete" doesn't mean militarily useless. Even pre-dreadnaughts continued playing a role in WWII, either directly or having their artillery taken off-ship to be used as fortifications or assault guns, not to mention the post-Dreadnaught ships.

In the 1920s what you call the "utterly obsolete" ships (pre-dreadnaughts and first dreadnaughts) comprised a good share of folks' navies.

Hrm? As I recall the pre-dreads still around were all scrapped in the 20s, as were the first dreadnoughts.

Many of them were also scrapped *prior* to the Washington Naval treaties, they were seriously obsolete by then, only really good for shore bombardment or anti-piracy missions. In a fight with any modern warship they'd be sunk very quickly.

[K. A. Pital]

As I recall the pre-dreads still around were all scrapped in the 20s

Quite a bit of that scrapping was due to WNT (Western Powers), Versallies (Germany) and the malaise of Civil War (Russia). These are not factors that are in any way present in this reality. Those pre-dreadnaughts that managed to survive, lingered on until WWII, often converted, modernized, etc.

In the 1920s, for example, the RKKF owned a lot of pre-dreadnaughts and it wasn't keen on scrapping all of them but had to (no money to service and keep them seaworthy). The expendability of those ships in wartime (transports, auxillaries, dispatch ships, repair ships) and their relatively large and costly hulls made scrapping undesirable.

[Norseman]

Alright but... I really don't think that we should count pre-dreadnaughts as capital ships, even if we do have them. Indeed what is the cut-off? I mean is there a date past which a ship no longer counts as part of the roster? Is there a tonnage where a ship no longer counts?

[K. A. Pital]

Oh, certainly NO! They should only be counted as total tonnage (I even counted training ships with armament in the total tonnage). They aren't "capital ships", despite some of them serving on

And I suppose stuff below 150-200 tons is not counted (lower limit of warships serving my Navy, obsolete pre-1913 destroyers have this small displacement)

[Norseman]

Oh, certainly NO! They should only be counted as total tonnage (I even counted training ships with armament in the total tonnage). They aren't "capital ships", despite some of them serving on

Quite so, quite so. I'll need to figure out my lesser combattants too at some point but... well...

And I suppose stuff below 150-200 tons is not counted (lower limit of warships serving my Navy, obsolete pre-1913 destroyers have this small displacement)

One question I ask is the larger riverboats, I have some that clock in at 300-500 tons, under six feet of draft mind, so does Setzer. Now these vessels are not seaworthy, not in the least, we are talking 12 knots and a couple of six inchers here. Do they count as part of the total hulls for the navy?

[Thanas]

If they don't, wouldn't it be a bit unfair? I mean, you are committing resources to them anyway.

[Norseman]

If they don't, wouldn't it be a bit unfair? I mean, you are committing resources to them anyway.

If this refers to the riverboats then I'm not sure if they should count as part of an ocean going Navy. I mean there really should be some sort of cut-off or rules about ocean going ships or what not.

[Thanas]

Monitors are also not ocean-going ships, yet they do count.

In any case, your riverboats would be able to hold off a few destroyers, so yeah, they are supposed to count as naval ships.

[Steve]

Disclaimer: This design is a joke, it is only a joke. It's a fun little example of what Shroom's navy could build if insane enough.

Offender, Duchy of California Coastal Gunboat laid down 1924

Displacement:
11,802 t light; 12,554 t standard; 12,675 t normal; 12,772 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(356.02 ft / 350.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (26.00 / 26.17 ft)
(108.51 m / 106.68 m) x 22.86 m x (7.92 / 7.98 m)

Armament:
4 - 18.00" / 457 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,940.86lbs / 1,333.95kg shells, 75 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1924 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Main guns limited to end-on fire
Weight of broadside 11,763 lbs / 5,336 kg
6 - 24.0" / 610 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 1.372 t each, 8.232 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted reloads

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 195.00 ft / 59.44 m 9.30 ft / 2.83 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 104.98 ft / 32.00 m 9.30 ft / 2.83 m
50.02 ft / 15.25 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 195.00 ft / 59.44 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.00" / 51 mm 195.00 ft / 59.44 m 28.51 ft / 8.69 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 5.00" / 127 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 5.00" / 127 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 10.00" / 254 mm Quarter deck: 6.00" / 152 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 16.00" / 406 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 14,052 shp / 10,483 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 219 tons

Complement:
596 - 776

Cost:
£4.865 million / $19.459 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,216 tons, 17.5 %
- Guns: 2,208 tons, 17.4 %
- Torpedoes: 8 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 4,872 tons, 38.4 %
- Belts: 1,705 tons, 13.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 411 tons, 3.2 %
- Armament: 489 tons, 3.9 %
- Armour Deck: 2,079 tons, 16.4 %
- Conning Tower: 187 tons, 1.5 %
Machinery: 463 tons, 3.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,251 tons, 33.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 873 tons, 6.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12,744 lbs / 5,780 Kg = 4.4 x 18.0 " / 457 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.07
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.651
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m, 14.85 ft / 4.53 m
- Average freeboard: 14.86 ft / 4.53 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.7 %
Waterplane Area: 20,109 Square feet or 1,868 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.86
- Longitudinal: 3.39
- Overall: 0.99
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

......god I need to go to bed, sleep deprivation is making me INSANE.

[Steve]

Heh, so sleep deprived I didn't notice I left the trim set high and caused the end-fire limitation. Oh well....

[Norseman]

Steve the British actually built these, look up the Large Light Cruisers.

[Thanas]

Bwahahaha. Good one. Armour so thin a light cruiser could take out the main armament or cause magazine explosions....

[Steve]

I wanted to add a secondary battery. SpringSharp was mean and wouldn't let me. Demanded I lower armor or increase displacement. Bah.

And now bedtime methinks.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

That ship would probably blast off its own turrets and explode within the first attempt to even to fire it...

[Thanas]

Yeah, and its firing arc is so restricted that if it even tries to fire a broadside, it will promptly capsize...

[Raesene]

^Steve, pre-dreads may not be scrapped due to no WNT.

In other news, here is my beauty:

Ladies and Gentlemen, I unveil to you the pride of the German Navy, the Bismarck class.

Bismarck class, Germany Battleship laid down 1925

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 380,00 ft / 115,82 m 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 66% of normal length

Short facts:
- 18inch armor
- 8inch armored deck
- 9x18 inch guns
- excellent gun platform, excellent seaboat
- 25 knots maximum speed, 16 knots cruising speed (faster cruising speed than most Battlecruisers)
- great survivability. This ship can take a whopping 21-2 torpedoes and 37 18inch shells (alternatively: 72 16inch shells, 92 15inch shells, 125 14inch shells).

Unless an enemy shell bypasses your armour belt fore or aft and enters a magazine.
You have to elongate the main armour belt if you don not add secondary armour.

[Ma Deuce]

You have to elongate the main armour belt if you don not add secondary armour.

Yeah, that belt only covers 43% of the waterline, though thankfully the TDS is much longer. Thanas may recall I mentioned that the belt should be at least 60% of the waterline. Unfortunately, Springsharp has a somewhat confusing method for measuring belt length: The percentage shown is actually relative to what Springsharp considers a "normal" belt length, in other words a 100% belt in SS = 65% of the waterline. He's still got an extra 1,700 tons of standard displacement to work with; should be enough to rectify it without sacrificing anything else.

[Agent Sorchus]

Code: Select all

Junayd, Sudanese Light Cruiser laid down 1919

Displacement:
	3,868 t light; 4,026 t standard; 4,832 t normal; 5,478 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(475.00 ft / 471.83 ft) x 47.00 ft x (14.50 / 15.99 ft)
	(144.78 m / 143.81 m) x 14.33 m  x (4.42 / 4.87 m)

Armament:
      5 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.48lbs / 62.81kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1919 Model
	  4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
		2 raised mounts - superfiring
	  1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
		1 double raised mount
      4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm 45.0 cal guns - 4.03lbs / 1.83kg shells, 150 per gun
	  Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 2,100 per gun
	  Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
	  6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 710 lbs / 322 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      12 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m torpedoes - 0.707 t each, 8.489 t total
	submerged bow tubes
      Mines
      12 - 750.00 lbs / 340.19 kg mines - 4.018 t total
      Main DC/AS Mortars
      24 - 250.00 lbs / 113.40 kg Depth Charges - 2.679 t total
	in Stern depth charge racks

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	3.00" / 76 mm	306.69 ft / 93.48 m	8.23 ft / 2.51 m
	Ends:	2.00" / 51 mm	165.12 ft / 50.33 m	8.23 ft / 2.51 m
	Upper:	1.00" / 25 mm	306.69 ft / 93.48 m	8.00 ft / 2.44 m
	  Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
	  Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
		0.50" / 13 mm	306.69 ft / 93.48 m	13.29 ft / 4.05 m
	Beam between torpedo bulkheads 40.00 ft / 12.19 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	1.00" / 25 mm	      -			1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
	For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
	Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
	Diesel Internal combustion motors, 
	Geared drive, 2 shafts, 46,243 shp / 34,497 Kw = 30.00 kts
	Range 2,000nm at 26.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 1,452 tons

Complement:
	289 - 376

Cost:
	£0.941 million / $3.765 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 229 tons, 4.7 %
	   - Guns: 201 tons, 4.2 %
	   - Weapons: 28 tons, 0.6 %
	Armour: 1,038 tons, 21.5 %
	   - Belts: 512 tons, 10.6 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 75 tons, 1.6 %
	   - Armament: 53 tons, 1.1 %
	   - Armour Deck: 397 tons, 8.2 %
	Machinery: 1,641 tons, 33.9 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 936 tons, 19.4 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 964 tons, 20.0 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.5 %
	   - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  1,928 lbs / 875 Kg = 14.0 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
	Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
	Roll period: 15.5 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has a flush deck,
	  a normal bow and a cruiser stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.526 / 0.541
	Length to Beam Ratio: 10.04 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 21.72 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 89
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
	   - Aft deck:	35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
	   - Quarter deck:	15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
	   - Average freeboard:		16.16 ft / 4.93 m
	Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 150.6 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.6 %
	Waterplane Area: 15,133 Square feet or 1,406 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 214 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.53
		- Longitudinal: 0.67
		- Overall: 0.54
	Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
	Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Excellent accommodation and workspace room
	Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

What can I do to increase the Composite score? note I based this ship on the Danae class light cruiser.

[Thanas]

You have to elongate the main armour belt if you don not add secondary armour.

Yeah, that belt only covers 43% of the waterline, though thankfully the TDS is much longer. Thanas may recall I mentioned that the belt should be at least 60% of the waterline. Unfortunately, Springsharp has a somewhat confusing method for measuring belt length: The percentage shown is actually relative to what Springsharp considers a "normal" belt length, in other words a 100% belt in SS = 65% of the waterline. He's still got an extra 1,700 tons of standard displacement to work with; should be enough to rectify it without sacrificing anything else.

Fixed it. Had to sacrifice 1 inch of Barbette armour, 500nm range and 3 feet of armor belt height.

Bismarck class, Germany Battleship laid down 1925

Displacement:
55.712 t light; 58.518 t standard; 60.995 t normal; 62.977 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(934,42 ft / 885,83 ft) x 124,67 ft x (39,37 / 40,32 ft)
(284,81 m / 270,00 m) x 38,00 m x (12,00 / 12,29 m)

Armament:
9 - 18,00" / 457 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.940,86lbs / 1.333,95kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,92lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1925 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
80 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
40 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
50 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,25lbs / 0,11kg shells, 15.000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1925 Model
50 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 28.381 lbs / 12.873 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 575,00 ft / 175,26 m 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3,00" / 76 mm 628,94 ft / 191,70 m 30,00 ft / 9,14 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 12,0" / 305 mm 14,0" / 356 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 1,00" / 25 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck: 8,00" / 203 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3,00" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3,00" / 76 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 20,00" / 508 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 89.796 shp / 66.988 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 5.000nm at 16,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.459 tons

Complement:
1.939 - 2.522

Cost:
£16,364 million / $65,457 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4.527 tons, 7,4%
Armour: 24.031 tons, 39,4%
- Belts: 6.617 tons, 10,8%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2.094 tons, 3,4%
- Armament: 4.730 tons, 7,8%
- Armour Deck: 9.921 tons, 16,3%
- Conning Tower: 668 tons, 1,1%
Machinery: 2.915 tons, 4,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 24.163 tons, 39,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.283 tons, 8,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0,1%
- Above deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
109.572 lbs / 49.701 Kg = 37,6 x 18,0 " / 457 mm shells or 21,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
Metacentric height 8,9 ft / 2,7 m
Roll period: 17,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,52

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,491 / 0,495
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,11 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,76 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 16,00%, 34,45 ft / 10,50 m, 24,44 ft / 7,45 m
- Forward deck: 34,00%, 24,44 ft / 7,45 m, 25,92 ft / 7,90 m
- Aft deck: 37,00%, 25,92 ft / 7,90 m, 24,44 ft / 7,45 m
- Quarter deck: 13,00%, 24,44 ft / 7,45 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Average freeboard: 25,51 ft / 7,78 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 180,5%
Waterplane Area: 72.985 Square feet or 6.781 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 247 lbs/sq ft or 1.206 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,57
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

75t for three aircraft carried

[Thanas]

What can I do to increase the Composite score? note I based this ship on the Danae class light cruiser.

You terribly overloaded the ship. Your hull design is also not that good.

This is what I got:

Niobe, Germany Light cruiser laid down 1919

Displacement:
4.350 t light; 4.523 t standard; 5.308 t normal; 5.937 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(503,00 ft / 500,00 ft) x 49,00 ft x (14,50 / 15,82 ft)
(153,31 m / 152,40 m) x 14,94 m x (4,42 / 4,82 m)

Armament:
6 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,92lbs / 49,41kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1919 Model
6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
2 - 2,00" / 50,8 mm 45,0 cal guns - 4,03lbs / 1,83kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 689 lbs / 312 kg
16 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 8,00 ft / 2,44 m torpedoes - 0,589 t each, 9,426 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,00" / 76 mm 408,50 ft / 124,51 m 8,40 ft / 2,56 m
Ends: 1,00" / 25 mm 81,48 ft / 24,84 m 8,40 ft / 2,56 m
10,02 ft / 3,05 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 126% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm

- Armoured deck - single deck: 1,00" / 25 mm For and Aft decks

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41.561 shp / 31.004 Kw = 29,00 kts
Range 2.350nm at 24,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.415 tons

Complement:
310 - 404

Cost:
£0,922 million / $3,687 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 203 tons, 3,8%
- Guns: 193 tons, 3,6%
- Torpedoes: 9 tons, 0,2%
Armour: 769 tons, 14,5%
- Belts: 433 tons, 8,2%
- Armament: 83 tons, 1,6%
- Armour Deck: 253 tons, 4,8%
Machinery: 1.476 tons, 27,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.902 tons, 35,8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 959 tons, 18,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6.271 lbs / 2.845 Kg = 58,1 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 13,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,523 / 0,536
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,20 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 17,00 ft / 5,18 m, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m, 14,26 ft / 4,35 m
- Average freeboard: 14,48 ft / 4,41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,1%
Waterplane Area: 16.673 Square feet or 1.549 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 392 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,03
- Longitudinal: 0,99
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Ryan Thunder]

Code: Select all

CSS Ridículo, Columbian battle barge laid down 1920

Displacement:
	26 123 270 t light; 26 736 300 t standard; 27 242 740 t normal; 27 647 890 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(984.25 ft / 984.25 ft) x 984.25 ft x (984.25 / 998.89 ft)
	(300.00 m / 300.00 m) x 300.00 m  x (300.00 / 304.46 m)

Armament:
      40 - 19.69" / 500 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3 846.50lbs / 1 744.74kg shells, 250 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
	  3 x 2 row decuple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
		1 raised mount - superfiring
	  1 x Quintuple mount on centreline, forward deck aft
		1 double raised mount
      80 - 15.75" / 400 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 969.41lbs / 893.31kg shells, 500 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
	  6 x 2 row decuple mounts on side ends, majority forward
		2 raised mounts - superfiring
	  2 x Quad mounts on sides, forward deck aft
		2 double raised mounts
      160 - 3.15" / 80.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 15.76lbs / 7.15kg shells, 2 000 per gun
	  Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  40 x 2 row quad mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      360 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 5 000 per gun
	  Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
	  360 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 314 022 lbs / 142 438 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:		Width (max)	Length (avg)		Height (avg)
	Main:	1 378.0" / 35 000 mm	639.76 ft / 195.00 m	37.63 ft / 11.47 m
	Ends:	39.4" / 1 000 mm	344.46 ft / 104.99 m	37.63 ft / 11.47 m
	Upper:	39.4" / 1 000 mm	639.76 ft / 195.00 m	8.01 ft / 2.44 m
	  Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
		39.4" / 1 000 mm	639.76 ft / 195.00 m	985.04 ft / 300.24 m
	Beam between torpedo bulkheads 984.25 ft / 300.00 m

   - Gun armour:	Face (max)	Other gunhouse (avg)	Barbette/hoist (max)
	Main:	59.1" / 1 500 mm	      -			59.1" / 1 500 mm
	2nd:	39.4" / 1 000 mm	      -			39.4" / 1 000 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
	For and Aft decks: 1 377.95" / 35 000 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 157.48" / 4 000 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
	Diesel Internal combustion generators plus batteries, 
	Electric motors, 4 shafts, 195 923 shp / 146 158 Kw = 10.00 kts
	Range 50 000nm at 10.00 kts
	Bunker at max displacement = 911 588 tons

Complement:
	188 533 - 245 104

Cost:
	£2 232.283 million / $8 929.132 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
	Armament: 56 864 tons, 0.2 %
	   - Guns: 56 864 tons, 0.2 %
	Armour: 24 339 780 tons, 89.3 %
	   - Belts: 3 153 657 tons, 11.6 %
	   - Torpedo bulkhead: 917 997 tons, 3.4 %
	   - Armament: 318 721 tons, 1.2 %
	   - Armour Deck: 19 642 220 tons, 72.1 %
	   - Conning Tower: 307 180 tons, 1.1 %
	Machinery: 6 850 tons, 0.0 %
	Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 719 778 tons, 6.3 %
	Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 119 474 tons, 4.1 %
	Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
	Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
	  492 337 300 lbs / 223 320 500 Kg = 129 087.4 x 19.7 " / 500 mm shells or 11 193 530.0 torpedoes
	Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
	Metacentric height 229.4 ft / 69.9 m
	Roll period: 27.3 seconds
	Steadiness	- As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
			- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
	Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
	Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
	  a normal bow and small transom stern
	Block coefficient (normal/deep): 1.000 / 1.000
	Length to Beam Ratio: 1.00 : 1
	'Natural speed' for length: 38.37 kts
	Power going to wave formation at top speed: 34 %
	Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
	Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
	Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
	Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
				Fore end,	 Aft end
	   - Forecastle:	20.00 %,  34.51 ft / 10.52 m,  28.25 ft / 8.61 m
	   - Forward deck:	30.00 %,  82.02 ft / 25.00 m,  82.02 ft / 25.00 m
	   - Aft deck:	35.00 %,  82.02 ft / 25.00 m,  82.02 ft / 25.00 m
	   - Quarter deck:	15.00 %,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m
	   - Average freeboard:		62.76 ft / 19.13 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
	Space	- Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 3.3 %
		- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.3 %
	Waterplane Area: 968 752 Square feet or 90 000 Square metres
	Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
	Structure weight / hull surface area: 1 607 lbs/sq ft or 7 846 Kg/sq metre
	Hull strength (Relative):
		- Cross-sectional: 0.91
		- Longitudinal: 93.63
		- Overall: 1.45
	Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
	Cramped accommodation and workspace room
	Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
	Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

What the hell? A 27million tonne ship? Are you insane? That's probably more steel than any one country can possibly produce in a month or year or whatever.

[Raesene]

Code: Select all

CSS Ridículo, Columbian battle barge laid down 1920

Displacement:
	26 123 270 t light; 26 736 300 t standard; 27 242 740 t normal; 27 647 890 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(984.25 ft / 984.25 ft) x 984.25 ft x (984.25 / 998.89 ft)
	(300.00 m / 300.00 m) x 300.00 m  x (300.00 / 304.46 m)

Don't forget to hoist the signal "Resistance is futile"

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Code: Select all

CSS Ridículo, Columbian battle barge laid down 1920

Displacement:
	26 123 270 t light; 26 736 300 t standard; 27 242 740 t normal; 27 647 890 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
	(984.25 ft / 984.25 ft) x 984.25 ft x (984.25 / 998.89 ft)
	(300.00 m / 300.00 m) x 300.00 m  x (300.00 / 304.46 m)

Don't forget to hoist the signal "Resistance is futile"

More like, "PRAISE THE EMPEROR!"

[Ryan Thunder]

I'm just amazed that it doesn't capsize, myself. It is pretty much a cube, after all.

I tried making a 3 km version but it was so big that I couldn't get any engines to drive it. And the armament would've been a complete waste.

I would've put more guns on it but, alas, I couldn't fit any more barrels on my turrets!

What the hell? A 27million tonne ship? Are you insane?

Must you really ask?