Jumping on the bandwagon of posting psycho-fundie sites...

[PrinceofLowLight]

www.exposingsatanism.org Just when you think humanity can't sink lower, something like this pops up...

[HemlockGrey]

Brain...is...melting...

[fgalkin]

This page is for those who seek truth about the book series Harry Potter. Many think it is just harmless fantasy. True it is fantasy, but it is laced with witchcraft and demonology as are most books like it. Many say it gets children reading books who never would do so. I give you this thought. If your child did not like to take medicine and you had a chocolate drink with the medicine, plus arsenic in it, would you give it to them? You would if you did not know it was in there and what arsenic was. It is the same scenario with fantasy especially when it is laced with the poison of witchcraft.

Matthew 13: 9-16, who hath ears to hear, let him hear. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Some of you see nothing wrong with a book about fantasy, mythology, or witchcraft and some of you so called believers will see nothing wrong with mixing the occult with God, and with that, I give you 1st Timothy 4:1-2.

1st. Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Also look at the Satanic "S" on Harry's head shown on this book cover. Click Here

Then look at the Satanic "S" an the signs and symbols page Click Here

There are many books out about Witchcraft but none so cleverly packaged like the latest. Satan is up to his old tricks again and the main focus is the children of the world. The latest craze is a series of books by author J. K. Rowling, known as Harry Potter.

The scramble to get the books is not just for children. Just as many adults are amused and are absorbing the content of these books. And what is sickening, Christians, or so-called Christians, are part of the fan club. I knew nothing of Harry Potter until mail started coming in asking if it was ok for teachers in Christian schools to be reading children books about mythology and witchcraft!!!! Did you read that correctly? In Christian schools!!!!!

Are we now so far gone that the church can't tell what Witchcraft is? Preachers are not doing what they are supposed to do. They are to expose this trash and inform the flock. But they join in the festivities and will not rock the boat. Halloween is accepted in the church and many of the so-called Christians fight hard when told they should not take part. Now just as Halloween is an abomination to God, so is writing books that glorify witchcraft or any kind of mythology.

The whole purpose of these books is to desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult. What a better way to introduce tolerance and acceptance of what God calls an abomination, then in children's books? If you can get them when they are young, then you have them for life. It’s the oldest marketing scheme there is.

Who is Harry Potter?

Harry is a nobody, treated like dirt by the aunt and uncle who begrudgingly inherited him when his parents were killed. For the first 10 years of his life Harry sleeps in a cupboard under the stairs of his only living family who loathe him never realizing he's special.

A mysterious letter, delivered by the friendly giant Hagrid, wrenches Harry from his dreary, Muggle hidden existence: "We are pleased to inform you that you have been accepted at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry Harry finds himself at Hogwarts surrounded by wizards, his snowy owl - Hedwig, a phoenix-feather wand, and jellybeans that come in every flavor, including strawberry, snot, grass, and sardine ... and that's where the real adventure--humorous, haunting, and suspenseful begins.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone first published in England as Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

Note how the adults are depicted as hateful and perhaps strict. Then note how these wizards and other creatures are the good guys. These types of writings are nothing more then Satan's way to undermine the family. Kids get these books and then live in a fantasy world and rebel against there parents. Here is a quote from the author: "The idea that we could have a child who escapes from the confines of the adult world and goes somewhere where he has power, both literally and metaphorically, really appealed to me."

Note what she says about the child having power? What she is saying is that the child needs to have power and control over parents and also to have the power of the occult. The author also uses occult terms in her thinking. Look at this new age phrase. "I have a very visual imagination. I see it, then I try to describe what is in my mind's eye," This minds eye concept is the heart of the new age movement. It is the ability to escape ones confines of this world and to explore the other dimensions of existence. For more info on the new age movement, check out this site. New Age

Keep these books and their teachings from your child. It is supposed to be a 7 book series, which 3 have already been published. I will add more info about the author and the books as it comes to my attention. Some teachers are reading these books to their classes. They are pagans using the school system to spread their agenda. Your tax dollars are being used to promote Witchcraft and no one is coming against it. Now read a bible or mention Jesus in school and your locked up. Pagans state that theirs is a bona-fide religion with the same rights as Christianity. So why are they allowed to teach it in the schools?

The same old trash.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[HemlockGrey]

Jesus called. He wants you to stop stalking him...

[jaeger115]

I just had a series of ideas on how to celebrate next Halloween...

Please ask me how I'm going to celebrate it!

[Alex Moon]

I just had a series of ideas on how to celebrate next Halloween...

Please ask me how I'm going to celebrate it!

How are you going to celebrate it?

[jaeger115]

I just had a series of ideas on how to celebrate next Halloween...

Please ask me how I'm going to celebrate it!

How are you going to celebrate it?

I'm recruiting some of my friends and making a huge bonfire in the forest near the street I live on. Hopefully, some scare-prone trick-treater will dare go in and see what that orange flickering light is all about. They will see a huge fire and several kids standing around it and worshipping it...



Apart from that, I'll carve satanic symbols in the nearby trees!

[Exonerate]

The author needs to learn how to seperate things into paragraphs.

They've got an board...

[Enforcer Talen]

why do I increasingly get the desire to burn the bible?

it's very odd.

[SyntaxVorlon]

I'm surprised no one saw this before:

Perhaps you might try reading this through without dissecting it first with your inane, arrogant, libertarian commentary as you proceed; then you might realize its impact, instead of acting as a deflector. You are full of your opinions of things, and lack the necessary humility required to be instructed concerning the things that will bring you life.
As it is written, "God has chosen the weak things of this world - those things of no account - to confound the "wise"," and it is certainly true in this case. The Bible, which also testifies to the alternate existence of God, - empirically - though your idea of empirical evidence and mine are two different things. Who says God doesn’t provide physical proofs? Let me bother you with a little more on this subject. The empirical evidence of God’s existence has been examined already by those with whom he had contact in the person of Jesus Christ: the physical proof of God’s existence, Col.1:15. And this was done once for all time, and we are now to receive the testimony of those who did the examining."That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have examined and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The Life appeared, we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the Eternal Life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you may also have fellowship with us." I John 1:1-3a.
This declares empirical examination of the evidence of Jesus Christ by those who were intimately acquainted with him, who himself laid claim to being the empirical evidence of the existence of God the Father by virtue of his demonstrated miraculous signs. It behooves us then to carefully examine their testimony as eyewitnesses in order to settle the matter for ourselves; for it would have had to be satisfactorily proven to them who were Old Testament Jews, that he was indeed the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, as I have previously stated, statistically, to be 1 in 10 to the 23rd power with reference to 300 of the most popularly recognized prophecies, that he is the One, not to mention all of his miracles which have been witnessed and reported by them. Jesus said, "...at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves."
You talk of claims made in a book with no independent empirical evidence. The miracles were the supporting evidence of his claims, and the believers were the witnesses who did the examining, who gave testimony, and recorded for our benefit their findings. Each report was originally an independent entity written by each eyewitness for the benefit of others, which were only later collated into an individual volume for convenience since they all dealt with the same subject. The Bible had 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years, so you cannot conclude that there was collusion designed to subjugate humanity by deceptive presentation of the facts. Also there were reported the sign gift abilities given to his followers for the promotion of his kingdom during the church's infancy, which authenticated Jesus Christ in the fulfillment of his promises to them. Try to explain these away among so many witnesses and recipients. They were public demonstrations of faith manifesting the power of God, no man claiming them as his own, but as the work of God.
Then there is the resurrection from the dead. Jesus Christ had many hostile witnesses, but none of them could successfully refute the facts that were public knowledge, though they had ample opportunity to do so. Jesus Christ changed and influenced history with lasting results as no man has ever been able to do. As I have already said, Jesus Christ himself was the empirical evidence of the existence of God - not his claims. His claims were validated, supported, reinforced, and authenticated by his miracles, which the people obviously recognized as supernatural in nature, and which none could refute - his enemies could only mock saying they were of the devil. As far as cults are concerned, their counterfeit miracles are of demonic origin. One must consider the source.
Now the religious powers that were in control in that day were loathe to give up their comfortable life of approbation and exploitation to this "intruder", thus facilitating his demise according to the permissive will of God the father, in order that God’s justice may be satisfied once and for all - One for all - by the sacrifice of the innocent for the guilty, as pictured in the previous animal sacrifice mandates of the Jewish Old Testament Law. The sacrifices looked forward by faith indicating Christ as the ultimate sacrifice, while we on the other side of the crucifixion look back by faith to that same ultimate sacrifice for all mankind. As a matter of fact, the four gospels, written by four separate witnesses, or their amanuenses, all agree in the testimony as given above from I John 1:1-3a. Furthermore, would all of those men have given their lives and died for an unprovable lie? Human nature says, "What’s in it for me?" The new kind of self sacrificial love revealed in the Good News is what can I do for the sake of others? It is a selflessness that was uncommon prior to the manifestation of the living God in flesh, who was the empirical evidence that we can comprehend with our finite little minds concerning the infinite.Now Christianity IS a pretty ingeniously constructed "philosophical" system, and it DOES deflect argument well - because it is true. Formal logic is what I am using on you now - (believe it or not it can come in other forms than what you were "trained" to encounter.) - and it certainly contains philosophy - (though it may be a bit foreign to your closed mind.) It is foreign to you because it is from the mind of God, and not of HUMAN ORIGIN, which is unarguably faulty to begin with. The philosophies of men are impotent when it comes to dealing with the real issues of life. That is why God’s works for so many - but only those who have the humility to acknowledge their own personal bankruptcy when it comes to dealing with these things. Of course YOU are a bulwark of strength when it comes to disaster, misfortune, and death. The only problem is that you haven’t been away from your silver spoon long enough to experience anything close to these things, and when they do eventually confront you, as sure as I am confronting you now, you will fold like an old wet pup-tent. The first prayer you’ll utter is, "God, help me!"The purpose of this is to give you a chance to turn around before its too late. If you carefully read this, without the attending defects of your personal prejudices and dogmatic prepossessions, then you will discover that the veracity of your consciousness is the prerequisite to accepting your own existence, and therefore, the existence of your surroundings. That alone is proof to you of your own existence. The same principle is used to establish the existence of God. Of course, the atheist demands empirically verifiable truths. This argument is propounded due to the lack of present "empirical" evidence because God is not presently "empirically" proven to exist, though the evidences of his existence can be empirically proven to exist by virtue of their very presence. But God is Spirit and Spirit cannot be put in a test tube. That’s why he came in the person of Jesus Christ, so that men could have something to examine as evidence of the existence of God apart from his creation. Again, why, when your consciousness testifies to you of the existence of a beautiful flower, do you accept that as reality, but when the same consciousness begins to testify of a God as creator of that flower, it is considered a figment of one’s imagination? If we doubt here, where will our doubting end ?You say that if I were brain dead, my consciousness would not be able to function, and therefore consciousness as criteria for establishing existence is negated. But how can you say this when at the same time you are referencing the empirical evidence of my existence to conscious impartial observers. So you want to get into the metaphysical. Does a stone have consciousness and therefore self awareness? How can you be sure the stone is there? I guess your idea of evidence and mine are different. Will we doubt our own existence because that same consciousness of our being testifies to us with credible evidence that we are? How much evidence do you want? God has already manifested himself to humanity in many ways which are adequately recorded in history apart from the Bible - Josephus, for example, and Eusebius.
In an atheist’s argument against God he tries to set the rules in denying the theist what is rightfully his - belief and revelation; and these should not be separated for they are invariably tied together in establishing empirical evidence for the believer in the sense of practical experience. Thus the atheist enables himself to be able to argue solely on the point of proving God’s existence apart from these things, and in the process, making the theist’s assertions appear to be baseless and absurd. However, these beliefs are not arbitrary, but are based upon revelation. Different people believe different things which may be contradictory, therefore validity cannot be established on the basis of belief alone. The validity of any given belief must therefore be determined on the basis of the foundation upon which it rests. The question then becomes who’s revelation has the best documentation support establishing its validity. In Christianity our belief is connected to the revelation of God through Jesus Christ and his attending irrefutably verifiable miracles, documented by eyewitnesses for the sake of posterity, as the credentials giving validity to his testimony concerning the existence of God, and God’s will for mankind. Those who are born again children of God have empirical evidence of God’s existence in the practical experience sense of the word; and the man with a valid experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with an argument.
Now, upon examination, the atheist’s arguments against God will appear equally baseless, absurd, and flawed in that they are based upon the assumptive premise that the universe is, and therefore it has always been. Other assertions include variants of the Big Bang theory. These assertions stem from a belief system as equally unprovable as is the theist’s insistence on an uncaused cause which caused the effect of the universe, and therefore the atheist is blind to his own prejudice in this matter. The atheist claims that the theist is without integrity because his argument of cause and effect leading into the first uncaused cause which caused the effect of the universe is inconsistent with itself; but the theist, who has equal claim to belief, and is also armed with documented revelation - the credentials of Jesus Christ, which validate and give veracity to the one making the claim, is being consistent with his own system of belief in insisting that God is eternal - without beginning or end. According to this revelation, then, God stands quite apart from and prior to the universe, and therefore is not subject to the same limitations as temporal things. Our finite little minds have difficulty grasping such concepts, let alone believing them, but God is in the infinite league. Just as an automobile’s presence declares the existence of man by virtue of its very existence and purpose, and its function declares the intelligence behind its engineering, so also the presence of the universe declares the existence of God by virtue of its very own existence and purposes as demonstrated in the various functioning of its parts; and the intelligence behind it is demonstrated in its complex relationships and interdependencies.Consciousness is the means by which we become aware of our own existence, and subsequently, all things external to ourselves. Apart from the distorting influences of mind-altering drugs, we absorb empirical evidence of the practical experience sort through the workings of our consciousness, which gives validity to such demonstrable facts as our own existence. "I breathe, therefore I am.." If we accept the testimony of our consciousness with regard to our own presence in this world - and that, in and among the many things external to ourselves - then why should we doubt the testimony of our consciousness when it begins to witness to us of the existence of a Cause for the existence of all things? If the evidence that intelligence must be a prerequisite for the elaborate interrelations and interdependencies of all things is clear, why accept the one as reality, while rejecting the other as a figment of one’s imagination since both stem from the same revelation of consciousness? Again, if we begin to doubt here, where will our doubting end? Experimentation and observation are inapplicable in this case, for God cannot be put in a test tube. He is not subject to our examination and approval, but is above it. That is because he is God. That is why he appeared in human form in the person of Jesus Christ, so that we could examine and comprehend him.
Apart from legislation influenced by the principles of God, we would have anarchy - each man doing that which is right in his own eyes - because the natural tendencies of man are toward rebellion, and what keeps him in line are the attendant enforceable penalties. All those things which you are constantly throwing up in my face are mere rabble designed to cloud the issue in the area of your own inadequacy concerning your inability to mount a convincing argument against the existence of God. All those things you "claim" to be able to prove are discussed at length in my website, and there is no need to reiterate my points again here.
I don’t flaunt "high mindedness" as you do, nor do I attempt to put forth any pretense, or even try to impress others with my wit; and of course, my neocortex will go in the ground with the rest of my body when I am done with it, and so will yours.If the truth doesn’t persuade your particular disposition, then it doesn’t. You ask, "How do we determine truth?" Truth is determined by observation in most instances. Scripture says, for example, that the things of God are foolishness to those who are perishing. These things are foolishness to you, therefore it is truth. The Apostle Paul hated Christians and Christianity, even killed and jailed many, yet he saw the error of his ways and was converted. That tells me that there is hope for you too. As long as you are still breathing, you haven’t blown it yet, and you are doing better than you deserve.My faith is not "blind attachment to unsubstantiated claims that conflict with the observance of reality," but is based upon research and credible evidences. The evidences are the creation, and those things which are reported by the eyewitnesses of God’s various manifestations at various times and places, and that have been faithfully recorded for the sake of posterity. I was as much a skeptic as you are now, seeking proofs as you do; but I was truly objective, open minded, and fair - considering all the evidences and their sources - and I found all of the answers I required before I gave in - and I’m not naturally a trusting person. I am not easily persuaded by anything.Christians DO legislate morality, and so do others, except those who are anarchists seeking to tear down without building up. Indicate to me now, one ordinance or statute which is not a derivative of someone’s conception of right and wrong. All law is legislated morality. It becomes a matter then of whose morality will be accepted; and those things which uphold and preserve the common good are generally those which are accepted by society and enforced by the empowered authorities. Social mores, laws, and legislation are designed to keep the arrogant, self-centered, inconsiderate, animalistic, reprobate, human animal in check, allowing society to function smoothly for the common benefit of all. The power to enforce is embodied in government. Without law there is anarchy, and in our laws, based on Christian principles, freedom and liberty are provided for those who align themselves under its authority.The Ten Commandments are not to restrict our liberty, but to ensure it. They have our highest good in esteem. They keep us from hurting ourselves and others; for all infractions and ineptitude have penalties which are built in, and any violation of the laws and principles which the Creator has built into the system will result in suffering - if not our own - then that of others affected by what we do when our appetites are unrestrained. God deals in absolutes. Relativism has no room in the economy of God. Right is right - even if nobody is doing it; and wrong is wrong - even if everybody is doing it. That is absolutism. Freedom is not the right to do anything you want - it is the ability to choose to do that which is right with consideration for the highest good of all. With freedom comes responsibility. As Margret Thatcher once said, "The greatest crimes in history have been committed by those who chose to exercise their liberty without any sense of responsibility." Christians are not your enemy. Your greatest enemy is YOU! It is the enemy within.
This country’s greatness is the result of Christianity’s principles applied to law and custom and everyday life. John Adams, one of our founding fathers, many of whom were Christian, wrote in 1798, "Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."Now you can see why our land is in trouble today, because liberals have kicked God out of public life, and are seeking to establish a pagan society dependent upon government as its benefactor. Another, James Madison, 1778, said, "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
America was great before the onset of atheism and liberalism. These two things spell the end of America’s greatness as we know it. George Washington said, "The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation which disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained."Another has said that a democracy cannot last more than two hundred years, because it is not long before the people realize that they can vote to themselves subsistence from elected officials that promise them the most from their governmental benefactor. But that which one subsidizes, he has the right to control. Unfortunately this has become a reality in our generation, and it is therefore an imperative that we take up arms to defend the constitution as the constitution provides, against the bane of atheistic liberalism if our nation is to avoid the eventuality of becoming a socialist "big-brother" state. We are well on the way there now, and what is needed at this time since the normally accepted channels no longer produce the intended results is another revolution for independence.
Enough of this - I could say more! The rebellion of the sixties has come to full fruition, and we are about to enter the fifth cycle of divine discipline. If God does not judge this nation, he will owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology! It is written, "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." We truly have problems today! I feel I have made my point.
Yes, you truly are a "saint" in the truest sense of the word, that being "a separated one", for you are separated, divorced rather, from reality. The only FICTIONAL FANTASY is the stuff that you believe, are addicted to, and are trying to push on me. That is what I mean by meaningless debate; for you will never convert me, and I am almost positive that I am wasting my time on you as well. Mature people see the futility of a thing and agree to disagree and go on. All you have to fall back on is name-calling, censorious criticism, and ridicule, but I have yet to hear a substantive, viable argument from your position in this matter. I have no problem with philosophy per-se, but your philosophy is the stuff dreams are made of.
Now since you are in the minority, the burden of proof is yours, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that God does not exist. Allow me to use some of my own unqualified assertions as a person of some accomplishment, considering I never got beyond high school, and that I am whipping up on a person of such distinguished accomplishments as yourself. You are in the minority, and therefore, you must be wrong; and your blatant assertions have no substance, but are merely the subjective, reactionary blather, which keeps on reiterating those things which you have adopted, and that are attributable to those you consider your mentors, in whatever form. Why don’t YOU do some original thinking for a change! Apart from the contributions of Brownlow Maitland, you will be hard pressed to find my material anywhere! You probably haven’t had an original idea in your life! YOU had better check out YOUR sources.With regard to your inability to accept the idea that the omniscience of God allows for the free will choices of man, you just about answered your own contention regarding the issue. You just misinterpreted the concluding evidences which you so eruditely expounded on the matter. God knows what you will choose; but his knowledge of it does not preclude free choice, because we still have the liberty to choose. This is why I have said they are elements totally unrelated one to the other. Knowing what one will choose is not the same thing as causing that choice. Choose - God, or no God - the two avenues are set before each of us. We are all obviously free to choose the one or the other. (You can empirically prove this.) I can choose God; and you can choose no God. Did anybody make this choice for me? Was there any cooercion? Did anybody force your hand? Did anyone make up your mind for you? Of course not! Now, just because somebody guesses what your choice will be, does that have any bearing on the exercise of your free volition? What is the difference between guessing what you will choose by a human, or knowing what you will choose by a Divine? Neither have any influence over your ability to decide apart from persuasion. Just because God knows how you will choose does not mean he did not present before you two alternatives for selection, nor allow the ability to decide. Just because God knows your choice does not mean that that was the only one you could make. His foreknowledge is not a determining factor in our ability to choose; but only in his choice of a you as one of his, based on the foreknowledge of your choice which you make of your own accord.
Foreknowledge is not foreordination, predestination, or even predetermination (though these can result from foreknowledge). I argue this with Calvinists all the time. They are so thick they cannot see the difference. Calvinists are wrong in teaching the arbitrary election of believers according to "irresistable sovereign grace", which is a misnomer. God is a God of fairness, and to be true to his attribute of integrity, he cannot arbitrarily choose one person over another. God chooses those who will be his according to his foreknowledge of their choice of him. This is fair and just.
You just can’t seem to get past the hurdle of thinking that because God has knowledge of all things, that he must direct all things according to that knowledge, if he is at all all-powerful and able to do the same. Omniscience does not necessitate predetermination to make possible what one knows will happen. This is a man-made limitation imposed on God which would in effect render him impotent, if that were even possible at all. There is no imperative that God must determine every little detail of our lives in order to be secure in his omniscience. Permissive will and directive will are two alternate attributes of the nature of God, the one allowing the exercise of free will, and the other not permitting it. It is God’s prerogative to exercise each at his discretion, depending upon the necessity as it arises. Foreordination can be based on omniscience and omnipotence, but is not absolutely required in all cases. Latent omnipotence musn’t always act; and when and if it does, it would only serve to fulfill what omniscience knew would happen anyway. God’s omniscience does not preclude our ability to exercise free will. Probability and possibility prove choice as indeterminate, but foreknowledge of choice doesn’t demonstrate causation, and neither does the exercise of choice invalidate the attribute of God’s foreknowledge.My purpose has been served, and it certainly is not to be catering to your appetite for debate, nor contributing to the magnification of your ego, nor even providing fodder for the confirmation of your position. After all of the effort which I have heretofore expended upon you, what is in order at this time is a firm rebuke!
You appear to educated so far beyond your intelligence, that you lack the necessary common sense to make rational choices and evaluations. Its just like a conservative trying to argue a point with a liberal - it just doesn’t get past the filter of irrationality and reprobacy of mind which impairs the liberal’s judgment. You are badly in need of a paradigm shift, so reset your parameters and go forward rather than stagnating in your unbelief. Place your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as God’s provision for your salvation. Adjust to the justice of God, before the justice of God adjusts to you.My approach to the existence of God is not merely ontological, but teleological and experiential as well. Evolution - the atheist’s friend - should be called a hypothesis, for it doesn’t merit the honor of being called a theory, let alone being considered a fact. A theory has demonstrable facts to back it up. Evolution is a "science" of speculation and conjecture. How many chances does it take to make each and every species and variation in this world alone? Can you fathom the mathematical improbability involved in one chance mutation alone? How can you say something doesn’t exist, just because you don’t believe in it. I could say that France doesn’t exist because I’ve never seen it, but that doesn’t prove that it isn’t across the ocean! And a coin could be considered evidence of France’s existence, though it isn’t France itself, but being made by France, is evidence of the existence of France. I would then be a fool to deny the existence of France in the face of such evidence.Now, the relevancy of sin to the omnipotence and omniscience of God isn’t even an issue; for we sinners, and God, are in two different leagues that don’t even bear a resemblance, and that are diametrically opposed one to the other. The work of God is the reconciliation of men with himself in a manner which is sufficiently acceptable to him in order that he would not compromise his essence in effecting what he desires concerning them. By his Spirit he has the power to do so, while allowing for the exercise of our free will, and by his omniscience he knows who and who will not comply, and elects accordingly on that basis. God is a God of fairness and his election is not by an arbitrary whim of sovereignty, but according to his foreknowledge of our choices. Those he elects on that basis he empowers by his indwelling Spirit at the time of their conversion, imparting regeneration and a catharsis from all that defiles, and the result is a new life. Old things are passing away, all things are becoming new - it is a life-long process.If I were you, and thankfully I’m not, I would seriously reconsider the effort which would be required to refute the entire Bible; for your comments and observations to my mailed responses have been beggarly and weak - totally inappropriate and insufficient to the task, if what you have communicated to me is any indication of what is to be expected. My arguments may be old - not of recent appearance - oft repeated by many - worn out even; but that is because they not only are true, reliable, and effective, but also relevant, applicable, time honored, and worthy of repetition.You see, the difference between an atheist and an agnostic is that the one is a fool, and the other is fast becoming one. The one believes there is no God; the other doesn’t think that you can know that there is a God. Now do you really consider it weakness to rely upon a power greater than yourself? Think of the futility, banality, and emptiness of grabbing for all the gusto you can get in this life, only to leave it to another, who may be a bigger fool than you have been. It is stupid and meaningless. And, again, a man claims intelligence! Just as surely as you are now sitting here in front of your computer, experiencing the reality of this moment, you will be there in your time, experiencing the moment of your death. First person singular - YOU will be there! It is coming to get you with relentless perseverance - the end of your present existence - the departing of the life - your essence - you - from your body. It will be REAL, it will be FINAL, and WITHOUT REMEDY! At that point in time find comfort and solace, and even encouragement and hope in the vain philosophies of your atheistic mentors. Let them comfort you in your time of need. God says, "Now is the time - today is the day." Adjust to the justice of God before the justice of God adjusts to you; for at that time you will be grabbing for all the God you can get! History is replete with the agonizing deathbed experiences of avowed atheists who would not let go and let God.Now, just because you don’t believe something doesn’t invalidate its existence; and conversely, just because something is repeated many times, doesn’t necessarily make it true. You may say, "There is no God." but that doesn’t make it true, or even make him go away. You may also say, " We evolved by accident." but that doesn’t make it true, substantiate evolution, or even invalidate creation. In the study of MSS, the oldest and best attested text will have the greatest number of descendants, thus validating the Textus Receptus as the oldest and best attested text of scripture. Likewise, concerning the appearance of things; both evolution and the six day creation lack sufficient evidence to validate either position - the one being a position of pure speculation and conjecture because the evolutionist’s interpretation of the evidence is flawed with unprovable assumptions, and the other is a leap of faith in the dark. Neither are based on credible evidence.So when I hear a preacher say, "The Bible is without error and infallible." I say, "Which version?" Bible translators are human, and so are transcribers, and that is why we cannot find one text which agrees with another, unless, of course, they come from the same printing press. I do believe, though, that the words of God came inerrant and infallible to the original writers, but we no longer have the originals in our possession, and therefore inerrancy and infallibility are dead issues. We must do the best we can with what our eminently able Bible scholars have provided for us in good faith.
So, unless you take the time to learn Greek and Hebrew, any work you undertake in refutation of the Bible will appear to be baseless and absurd to those scholars whose specialty and field it is to know all there is to know about the Bible. They are the ones you will have to convince.
And likewise, when I hear an evolutionist prating on about eons and eons, and billions and billions, and this evolved from that, and that evolved into this, adaptation, adaptation, ad-nauseam; I say, "Conjecture, conjecture - speculation, speculation; where are the links?" These men are real good at dividing things into classes, phylum, species, etc., but are abysmally ignorant of the extensive archaeological finds which prove the testimony of the Bible time after time after time. What about the co-existence footprints in the riverbed in the Paluxy River near Glen Rose Texas? Man and dinosaur together? How can that be? It doesn’t fit into our theory of evolution! Even more footprints in the Paluxy riverbed - giants in the land! Gee, genesis talks about this, but we don’t believe it so we will close our eyes and hope it goes away.Also, evolutionists cannot explain the second law of thermodynamics. According to their theory, things are building up unto the ultimate domain of Man! As far as I can understand, the second law of thermodynamics demonstrates that all things are wearing out and breaking down, and order tends towards disorder. According to Romans chapter 8, evolution can be rejected on logical grounds. Also we have the confessions of those who propagated hoaxes regarding "missing links". Australopithecus and Pelt down man were already in college textbooks before the truth was made known. There is actually not one shred of evidence that one species sprang from another. With Darwin, Marx, and Hitler, if man is an animal, he will act like an animal (survival of the fittest). With evolution, we are only one step away from the gas ovens! Animal survive to propagate, and to enjoy pleasure. With evolution, there is no explanation for the arts, sciences, or any other pursuit nobility in human essence seeks to provide for its own kind.
Moreover, when I hear a fellow believer claim that everything was made in six days and that the earth is only 6000 years old, I cringe. Does he really believe that given the contrary evidences? Is he oblivious to the existence of sea fossils on top of Mount Everest, let alone on top of the mountain behind my house? What about the underground water channels which are above ground on top of the mountain behind my house? What about dinosaur bones? They never seem to deal objectively with these things, but choose instead to remain complacently ignorant of these things, or to ignore them completely, or relegate them to something which can never be explained or understood.
Now Pre-Adamic Creation is not a new idea; it has been around for awhile. It may be known to some as the Gap Theory; but it is the only sound solution to the reconciliation of all this ostensibly contradictory data that must be collated within the human mind. I firmly believe that in many cases and situations, the truth always lies between two extremes. So, its been a long time, and the memory is foggy, but the salient points of this doctrine are reinforced with Hebrew linguistics, which give credence to this doctrine, which will not be apparent in any English translation of the Bible.
Gen. 1:1: "In a, "BE"= (no definite article here) beginning, "RISHAH" = (eternity past) God" - his existence understood as a given without question - "created, "BARAH"= (out of nothing) the heavens, "SHAMAHIM"= (plural), and the earth." Gen 1:2: "But the earth had become, "TOHU WA BOHU", without form and void..." - this is cataclysm - which would explain the disappearance of dinosaurs and other primitive species, as well as a pre-Adamic race of human beings, and could very well have been the conclusion of the billions and billions of years, as evidenced by modern geology in earth core samples. "REQUAM" is not used here, which means God did not mess up! Gen 1:2 cont’d: "...and darkness, "HASHEK"= (absolutely no light at all) ‘was’ (not in the text) over the face, "HAMAJIM"= (waters frozen over solid on the surface with waters churning beneath - the ice age) of the deep, "TEHOM"= (deep waters churning under the sea and the ground)."Basically, what happened is that an absence of light caused the ice age to occur. The raging waters were used to churn the earth, destroying everything in the process, which then became frozen (Job 38:4-7; Isa. 14:12-14; Ezek20:11-19; Ezek 28). In other words, all life was destroyed on the face of the earth. This is not far removed from current theories regarding darkness precipitating the end of all life and the onset of an ice age. "And the Spirit of God was moving, "RAKACH"= (meaning to incubate), over the (frozen) waters." God warmed the frozen earth.
God then created, "ASAH"= (recreated out of preexisting materials, according to the Hebrew language), the earth and all that is in it in six days, and reordered the heavenly bodies as necessary.
Gen. 1:24-25: All were created after their kind, "MIN" = (species, or genus); God maintains the form of the creature within the creation which he created; thus there can be no "missing links" or transmutations. Some are unique, and some bear similarity, but each maintains its own identity, and only species of like kind can be cross-seeded. Though in the past there have been many atrocities committed in the name of religion, evolution was the platform from which was launched Hitlerism, and Stalinism. Which do you prefer? God was the reason for the existence of multitudinous species both before, and after, the recreation process.
Concentrate on primal causes. The earth had to come from somewhere. The nature of science excludes the universe just appearing from nothing. No matter how many big-bangs or big-crunches there were, at some point in time something had to come from nothing! That leaves us with God. One cannot truly be scientific and close off a possibility. One cannot truly rule out the existence of God because we weren’t there when it all started. To exclude a possibility means that you have prejudged a conclusion and can no longer consider one’s self as a "scientist" - the theological equivalent would be an atheist. These guys love to spout off about the scientific method. The essence of the scientific method is repeatability, and Coming to God is an experiment that guarantees results consistent with its hypothesis! That is, if you call on God, he will reveal himself to you, 100% of the time - no exceptions. The only problem is that the lab rat is you! We get used to sterile laboratories with insulation from the subject. We are the subjects of this experiment, and we must submit ourselves voluntarily to the experiment.""I have found that C.S.Lewis and Francis Schaeffer provide excellent works for a seeking convert or atheist to ponder. Schaeffer’s exposition on "knowing" is excellent. To encapsulate it: An atheist can complain that we "can never know enough to be absolutely sure", but this is a test which applies to everything. We can’t be sure that the sun will come up tomorrow, but few atheists fail to plan for the eventuality! We can know that which we can know. That is, just because we cannot know fully does not mean that we can not have confidence in that which we do know. I don’t know everything about my wife, but I know enough to be able to gauge her moods and opinions with very little input. Most atheists don’t resist the outlandish assumptions underlying evolution, nor do they seriously question the lack of contemporary or historical transitional forms. This does not prevent them from "knowing" that evolution is a preferable theory to God. Don’t let the argument of "knowing" divert you from the reality that there is a true knowledge of God. It is a given that we will never know all about him, but that doesn’t mean that what we do know is worthless."So, in conclusion, and in light of all of the foregoing, may I ask you again that same simple question? Why do you want to refute the entire Bible? Life is not only about what we do, but why we do what we do - in other words - motivation. If this question cannot be satisfactorily answered to any degree so that we may give validity to any pursuit that we are engaged in or contemplating, then we are just spinning our wheels. Why do you insist on battling the Bible and Christianity? Because you don’t like us to call reality what you consider to be mythology? Because you don’t like the creation of laws based on morality? Because you consider yourself to be a self appointed atheistic patriot, bent on "saving" the world from the "bane" of Christianity? Life is too short to spend it fighting against God.Many have engaged in the practice of warring against God and the Bible for centuries, but to no avail. The ground is littered with the broken hammers that have been raised against the anvil of the Bible; and yet, Christianity marches on, growing and spreading, not only through civilizations, but across generations. There are more Christians now than there ever have been in history, and the numbers are growing daily. In persecution even, it is said that the blood of the saints is the seed of the church. Why? Because of these things - your proof - the testimony of your consciousness, the testimony of creation, the testimony of a firmly established and verifiably credible revelation, the testimony of changed lives out of the dregs of humanity, and the testimony of specifically, and many times miraculously answered prayers; these things are evidences of the existence of God - even as the coin is evidence of the existence of France; and it is the only religion, if it be proper to call it such, that can effectively tame the raging hearts of men. Peace, loving-care, hope, and a confident expectation of things to come are its fruits. These things are so evidently manifested in the genuine people of God, that all who are exposed to them are manifestly influenced by them to one degree or another, and some even trust in the Christ of God as well by virtue of their testimony. Of course there are always some "bad apples" that put a sour taste in the mouths of others, but that is rather the exception than the rule. God’s way is a life-long process, thus the sayings, "Be patient. God isn’t finished with me yet." and, "Christians aren’t perfect, but forgiven." We are fallible human vessels carrying about the powerful Spirit of the living God within, learning and growing, stumbling, and even falling at times, yet we get back up again with renewed purpose and determination to, with God’s aid, do better next time.Reconsider your position; and take into account all of this inculcation; and come to an enlightened determination that will result in your reconciliation with God.

We're not all libertarian for one thing, some of us are downright liberal! What a shocker!
Wow this guy is a real asshole
Sorry for those who hate clutter on the boards.

[HemlockGrey]

Bloody hell; I'm sick of people throwing around the word 'liberal' like it was some sort of horrible insult.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

please do so at your own mental risk.

That was on the front page. It's good advice for anyone with a functioning brain.

[Enforcer Talen]

tell me why god let the holocaust happen, and then we'll talk.

oh, and the forum has officially 1 post. we'd overrun it.

[Darth Servo]

I'm recruiting some of my friends and making a huge bonfire in the forest near the street I live on. Hopefully, some scare-prone trick-treater will dare go in and see what that orange flickering light is all about. They will see a huge fire and several kids standing around it and worshipping it...

Waste of wood if you ask me.

[Enforcer Talen]

put on a skimask and rev a chainsaw. chase after trick or treaters.

*much* more fun.

[Darth Servo]

put on a skimask and rev a chainsaw. chase after trick or treaters.

*much* more fun.

Also illegal. Its called "assault with a deadly weapon." Sorry to be a party pooper.

[jaeger115]

I'm recruiting some of my friends and making a huge bonfire in the forest near the street I live on. Hopefully, some scare-prone trick-treater will dare go in and see what that orange flickering light is all about. They will see a huge fire and several kids standing around it and worshipping it...

Waste of wood if you ask me.

Still good for a laugh, though.

[Darth Servo]

I'm recruiting some of my friends and making a huge bonfire in the forest near the street I live on. Hopefully, some scare-prone trick-treater will dare go in and see what that orange flickering light is all about. They will see a huge fire and several kids standing around it and worshipping it...

Waste of wood if you ask me.

Still good for a laugh, though.

There are more eco-freindly and more importantly, cheaper ways to get a laugh.

[jaeger115]

There are more eco-freindly and more importantly, cheaper ways to get a laugh.

Have any ideas? Sorry, I'm too pyromaniacal to think of anything else.

[Enforcer Talen]

put on a skimask and rev a chainsaw. chase after trick or treaters.

*much* more fun.

Also illegal. Its called "assault with a deadly weapon." Sorry to be a party pooper.

dont get caught. lol.

my boy scout troop is such fun.

[Admiral Johnason]

Too stupid....!!!!

[Strafe]

I'm truly in shock. Tho I shouldn't be considering I knew what to expect. I emailed that site regarding the Harry Potter thing saying:

"You do realize the Vatican said that reading Harry Potter is perfectly alright/normal?"

They responded to my message with:

"Yea I know. And are you aware that the vatican is full of homosexuals????"

I mean...wow...that's just...wow...

[Captain tycho]

So....stupid....brain.....malfunction....must...preserve...self........

[TrailerParkJawa]

Did you read what they say about D&D? What a bunch of dip shits.

[UltraViolence83]

Funny. I was actually thinking about posting that site here some time ago.