Data takes to pod racing

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-02-12 09:50pm

From the TPM we see that it takes a special human with force capabilities to compete against the other pod racers. How do you guys think an android such as Data would fare in a pod race against Anakin or Sebulba (sp?). Does data have the quick reflexes to negotiated the hair pin turns and dodge massive boulders or the killer instinct to ram an unsuspecting pod racer into the wall?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-12 09:58pm

Yesw, but he is dead so this can't happen.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-12 10:10pm

B-4 pod racing then. I think he'd get pulled over for DUI.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-12 10:17pm

It's not just quick reflexes, it's experience. These are aircraft, and you have to make the maneuver ahead of time because you don't have the same kind of purchase on air at 600 mph that a car does on the ground at 50 mph. You must be very familiar with the route, and you must know how this thing will handle.

If Data got a chance to practice, he'd probably do OK. But if he's dumped in cold and made to put the pedal to the metal, he's toast. There only so much you can do with sheer reflexes.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-02-12 10:32pm

I present you with Excibite A:

"Data flying through the Scimitar"

I rest my case.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-12 10:45pm

I think Data would do fair. He'd get aced by one of Sebulba's tricks, though.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-12 10:47pm

Against the normal racers Data wold do well assuming he has had some time to practice. Data's Problem is that we have put him up against 2 Veteran Racers like Anakin and Sebulba he's toast. There is no way he'd be ready for Sebulba's dirty tricks or Anakin's prowess. Data will do well but he would not win this one.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-12 10:51pm

Give Data months or years of Holodeck time to practice, plus real-world experience at lower levels (I assume the race on Tattooine is something like the Daytona 500, the flagship race of the whole sport, and there are "minor leagues" and such where the competition is easier and the tracks aren't as difficult), and he'd probably do pretty well. He's got good reflexes and being an android, he can withstand higher gee forces in turns. I don't know if he's ruthless enough against the likes of Sebulba and his ilk, though.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-02-12 10:52pm

Next of Kin wrote:From the TPM we see that it takes a special human with force capabilities to compete against the other pod racers. How do you guys think an android such as Data would fare in a pod race against Anakin or Sebulba (sp?). Does data have the quick reflexes to negotiated the hair pin turns and dodge massive boulders or the killer instinct to ram an unsuspecting pod racer into the wall?

Reflexes? Yes. Killer instinct? I don't think so.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-13 01:51am

I'd give Data a little more credit. I think he could do fairly well after a practice run. but... he's missing that killer instinct that has been mentioned. He might just look straight, instead of looking at the entire picture.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-13 02:41am

Well, let's make this more interesting. Let's put LOR into this. How about Lor pod racing?

He's got the killer instincts to take out everyone else. I think, with some practice, he could go pretty damn far in the sport of pod racing.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-13 02:46am

Superman wrote:Well, let's make this more interesting. Let's put LOR into this. How about Lor pod racing?

He's got the killer instincts to take out everyone else. I think, with some practice, he could go pretty damn far in the sport of pod racing.

I'll agree to that.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-13 07:07am

The problem is Data still has a lot of problem anticipating things. There are several occasions where he aludes to this. If Date knew the exact course and ran it through a few times he might ace it. But then again some guy might decide to flatten him into a wall making posotronic mush.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-13 08:16am

yeah, i think lore could make it interesting, he seems to be capable of more strategic thought, while data, for the most part is just reactionary. still, anakin won because his force powers gave him athe ability to anticipate things that have not happened yet. even with android reflexes and strategic thinking you cannot compensate for that.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-02-13 09:51am

He'd be toast just because very few podracers play a clean run. Probably he'd find himself embedded in some desert rockface after some joker dropped a metal bar in his jet intake system or something.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-02-13 12:47pm

anarchistbunny wrote:I present you with Excibite A:

"Data flying through the Scimitar"

I rest my case.

Wasn't Picard piloting the little figther thing in Nemesis?

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-02-13 12:54pm

Next of Kin wrote:Does data have the quick reflexes to negotiated the hair pin turns and dodge massive boulders or the killer instinct to ram an unsuspecting pod racer into the wall?

I don't think Data's reflexes are superhuman. He can moves his hands at superhuman speeds, but he never uses that speed in close combat, where it would be extremely useful. He invariably moves at normal human speeds when fighting.

Data would probably make a very good pod racer if he were on the course by himself. Once he knew the vehicle and the course, he could easily find the "optimum path" to bring him through with the best time his vehicle was capable of achieving. Introducing a numerous variables to the situation, like a bunch of other pod racers, would complicate the problem and force him to rely on his reflexes, which aren't all that impressive.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-02-13 09:28pm

anarchistbunny wrote:I present you with Excibite A:

"Data flying through the Scimitar"

I rest my case.

I must agree with the bunny here. Data would do very well, at Pod racing, especially if given time. Although it is true he wouldn't be able to out race someone like Sebulba or Anakin, he'd be able to outrace most others.

As to not doing well if he was just plopped in a pod racer seat with no experiance on the track. I beg to differ. He wasn't too familiar with that ship he stole, nor was he familiar with the corridors of the Scimitar, but he did VERY well.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-13 09:36pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:As to not doing well if he was just plopped in a pod racer seat with no experiance on the track. I beg to differ. He wasn't too familiar with that ship he stole, nor was he familiar with the corridors of the Scimitar, but he did VERY well.

I haven't seen the movie, but I doubt he was doing 600 mph in there.

As for Lore, I think people overestimate his ability to deal with the dirty tricks played in podracing. Lore is duplicitous, but he is accustomed to dealing with people who are not. The moronic lack of precautions taken when bringing him onto the E-D would have given ANYONE a wide-open door to cause havoc.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-13 09:39pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:I present you with Excibite A:

"Data flying through the Scimitar"

I rest my case.
Wasn't Picard piloting the little figther thing in Nemesis?

Yes

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-13 10:01pm

Lore is the Sebulba of ST.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-02-13 10:04pm

Data has the reflexes for it, but sorely lacks the initiative and the killer instinct needed, as has been stated numerous times. As to the lack of superhuman reflexes in combat, well, thet just isn't true. In the episode involving Tasha's sister he dodges a phaser beam at close range, it should be noted this was not one of those slow moving phaser beams the effects crew sometimes gives us, so it is remarkable. He also caught a metal bar thrown at him in the episode where he has to convince a colony to evacuate (sorry, no can do on the names right now). For those who haven't seen it, he was unaware of the bar until he heard it approaching his head from the side. He was able to keep up with the targeting system on a drilling laser, he dodged the first attack by pickaxe in "Thine Own Self," and was stated to have faster reflexes in the series at least once.
Whew, that became rather long winded.

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-02-14 01:00am

Admiral Johnason wrote:Yesw, but he is dead so this can't happen.

So is Obi Wan Kenobi, Vader, the Emporer, and General Patton. We can still discuss their abilities.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2003-02-14 06:55am

Admiral Johnason wrote:Yesw, but he is dead so this can't happen.

At the risk of being flamed I ask the following question:

Did Data die in Nemesis?

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-02-14 07:14am

Yes, though he transferred all of his memories into B-4. It may be possible to revive him in a future movie, if there is another TNG movie.

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