Death Star I vs. Borg

[beyond hope]

The only reason the Federation has trouble with the borg is because they're idiots. Any army with projectile weapons could easily take out the borg, even bows and arrows, spears, slings, etc.

That gave me the incredibly amusing image of a ravening horde of Ewoks wiping out Unimatrix zero.

[Zaku-chan]

Scenario: You are Grand Moff Tarkin, in command of the DS I, sometime prior to "A New Hope."

Vader is on the other side of the galaxy conducting some other business and so he isn't available.

Somehow Borg ships have managed to get close enough (Let's say perhaps the DS was pre-occupied with blowing up big asteroids in a drill or something and didn't see them sneak in) to beam their drones aboard and they begin an invasion.

What would you do?

This is a joke, right? First off, you're assuming the DS doesn't detect them. Second, you're assuming the shield will be down. Third, you're assuming the bog will be able to beam through the DS's armored hull. Fourth, you're assuming that the DS will have no warning.

And even with these massive crutches, the borg will still be wiped out in a few minutes.

[Darth Servo]

The only reason the Federation has trouble with the borg is because they're idiots. Any army with projectile weapons could easily take out the borg, even bows and arrows, spears, slings, etc.

That gave me the incredibly amusing image of a ravening horde of Ewoks wiping out Unimatrix zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if cave men could take em on.

[Isolder74]

The only reason the Federation has trouble with the borg is because they're idiots. Any army with projectile weapons could easily take out the borg, even bows and arrows, spears, slings, etc.

That gave me the incredibly amusing image of a ravening horde of Ewoks wiping out Unimatrix zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if cave men could take em on.

Captian Cavemaaan!!!!

The Borg get their heads bashed in and with cavemen assimilating them would not give the Borg any real advantage.

[Darth Wong]

They use sheild to stop phaser hit when they adapt to that frequency, so it could happen, but it won't. So I guess you're right Mike.

Ah, I see. Sarcasm and ridicule.

Please justify your claim that the Borg will be able to adapt to blasters, since everything we know about their adaptation indicates that it is a frequency-related phenomenon, and blasters have no coherent frequency to adapt to. You do know that outside of Trekkie masturbatory-land, people actually expect you to justify your claims, right?

[Ender]

They would be noticed right away. Borg drones would be rather obvious on the Death Star, and virtually everyone carries a comm-link either on their belt on in their helmets. They would be immediately identified and confined to a small area, prior to being hunted down and exterminated.

I don't know about that. Depends on the area. According to the novel, the corridor outside the garbage compactor hadn't been touched since it was built.

[Darth Servo]

I don't know about that. Depends on the area. According to the novel, the corridor outside the garbage compactor hadn't been touched since it was built.

An exception to the rule. And there are no strategic or tactical targets around most garbage dumps.

[Ghost Rider]

Eh...Even if they aren't noticed immediately(who knows they converge upon garbage dumps to seek refuge...like it'll matter, the instant they go near even a minor area filled with Imperials they are screwed.

[Howedar]

Shit, they might not even notice for a few weeks if the alarm weren't sounded. Unless we're talking billions of Borg, it will be a very long time before they start to threaten the station.

They would be noticed right away. Borg drones would be rather obvious on the Death Star, and virtually everyone carries a comm-link either on their belt on in their helmets. They would be immediately identified and confined to a small area, prior to being hunted down and exterminated.

You misinterpret. I am pointing out the ultimate futility and laughable scope of any possible Borg invasion. I am not saying that they would not be noticed or reported.

[Isolder74]

They would be noticed right away. Borg drones would be rather obvious on the Death Star, and virtually everyone carries a comm-link either on their belt on in their helmets. They would be immediately identified and confined to a small area, prior to being hunted down and exterminated.

I don't know about that. Depends on the area. According to the novel, the corridor outside the garbage compactor hadn't been touched since it was built.

If the Borg Randomly beam into the Trash Compacting area some WOULD end up inside the compactors that would not be good for them. And there had to be at least Janitors in the area cause the floor is Clean! Since even the janitors on the Death Star could set off the alarms the Borg would not have a free reign fo long. The doors in this area are magnetically sheilded for safety reasons to contain explosions and such in case volitile things end up in the trash. Once the Station is alerted to the intruders we break into a closing off of the area's blast doors then we get into everyone else's scenerio.

[Helm]

Depending on how many Borg do manage to get on board (if at all) because this is the DS 1...

But, since the guy that started this said, for the sake of the arguement, that they did...

If the Borg manage to begin assimilation of not just people, but equipment, data, and the like then I think the DS will have a significantly hard time to counter.

If the Borg do not get that little foothold through assimilation, as Mike put it, it's going to be search, confine, exterminate.

But what really matters I guess is how many Borg get on aboard. There are 300,000 standard officers that run the ship and 400,000 droids that help with the maintance. Then there is the capacity for 700,000 pilots, gunners, and soldiers, as well as over 25,000 Stormtroopers. And these are the top 5% of the Imperial Navy and Army that are stationed on DS1. (Source: Rebellion Era Sourcebook page 41).

It's rather obvious. Even if the Borg could adapt to blaster weaponry, that's a hell of a lot of people on a heavily defended Death Star to kill/assimilate/nullify.

I don't think it's going to happen here. DS1 wins.

[Helm]

They would be noticed right away. Borg drones would be rather obvious on the Death Star, and virtually everyone carries a comm-link either on their belt on in their helmets. They would be immediately identified and confined to a small area, prior to being hunted down and exterminated.

I don't know about that. Depends on the area. According to the novel, the corridor outside the garbage compactor hadn't been touched since it was built.

If the Borg Randomly beam into the Trash Compacting area some WOULD end up inside the compactors that would not be good for them. And there had to be at least Janitors in the area cause the floor is Clean! Since even the janitors on the Death Star could set off the alarms the Borg would not have a free reign fo long. The doors in this area are magnetically sheilded for safety reasons to contain explosions and such in case volitile things end up in the trash. Once the Station is alerted to the intruders we break into a closing off of the area's blast doors then we get into everyone else's scenerio.

I think they had droids instead of janitors. Heh.

[Isolder74]

I don't know about that. Depends on the area. According to the novel, the corridor outside the garbage compactor hadn't been touched since it was built.

If the Borg Randomly beam into the Trash Compacting area some WOULD end up inside the compactors that would not be good for them. And there had to be at least Janitors in the area cause the floor is Clean! Since even the janitors on the Death Star could set off the alarms the Borg would not have a free reign fo long. The doors in this area are magnetically sheilded for safety reasons to contain explosions and such in case volitile things end up in the trash. Once the Station is alerted to the intruders we break into a closing off of the area's blast doors then we get into everyone else's scenerio.

I think they had droids instead of janitors. Heh.

Machanical or not they can still raise the alarm!

[Helm]

Can you just imagine one of those little droids that chewbacca scared away in ep 4 running into the Borg? *L* It'd run like hell... or would it think it had met a long distance cousin?

Yeah, I guess they would Isoldor.

[Patrick Degan]

They use sheild to stop phaser hit when they adapt to that frequency, so it could happen, but it won't. So I guess you're right Mike.

Imperial weapons are not frequency-based. They are brute-force devices which rely on sheer raw firepower to do the job. It's not going to matter a tinker's damn what frequency the drones adjust their personal forcefields to; if those forcefield generators can't output enough energy to block a raw plasma blast, the drone is toast.

[Kurgan]

These were some great posts guys, I'm proud of you. Yes, I was thinking, the Ewoks would have a grand time, assuming they somehow came into contact with the borg (melee and projectile weapons). And if any HAPPENED to get assimilated... pint size furry borg? ; )

This is a joke, right? First off, you're assuming the DS doesn't detect them. Second, you're assuming the shield will be down. Third, you're assuming the bog will be able to beam through the DS's armored hull. Fourth, you're assuming that the DS will have no warning.

Read the scenario!

And even with these massive crutches, the borg will still be wiped out in a few minutes.

How? What tactics will they use? Nearly everyone else thought of something good...

Issue baseball bats to Naval Troops (grand slam!).

Close blast-doors and flood with gas after evacuating non NBC protected personel to contain (I was thinking of this one myself... have Borg ever shown the ability to resist NBC?).

Setup Ewebs, and bomb entrance to stop boarding operation.

etc.

Keep 'em coming. ; )


PS: Close blastdoors slightly (say one or two inches) and Drones will bumb their heads, lowering morale.

[Zaku-chan]

Read the scenario!

I did.

How? What tactics will they use? Nearly everyone else thought of something good...

They will be tricked into walking directly into the garbage compacters, where they will be crunched.

[Darth Servo]

Eh...Even if they aren't noticed immediately(who knows they converge upon garbage dumps to seek refuge...like it'll matter, the instant they go near even a minor area filled with Imperials they are screwed.

IOW, all they'd be able to assimilate is the garbage monster.

[Ghost Rider]

Eh...Even if they aren't noticed immediately(who knows they converge upon garbage dumps to seek refuge...like it'll matter, the instant they go near even a minor area filled with Imperials they are screwed.

IOW, all they'd be able to assimilate is the garbage monster.

Maybe...but not before the Dianoga kicks a few of their asses

[Ted C]

Scenario: Somehow Borg ships have managed to get close enough to beam their drones aboard and they begin an invasion.

What would you do?

Immediately order all sections reporting any Borg activity sealed off. Order friendly forces in the affected areas to rally at designated evacuation points. Cover those points with heavy, rapid-fire weapons.

Gather Stormtrooper forces outside the blast doors sealing off infested sections. Designate a single section for cleansing. Begin a section-by-section search-and-destroy operation.

This should methodically eliminate all of the intruders.

If Borg adaptation ever becomes a significant problem, seal off the infested areas again. Drop shielding over those areas, position Star Destroyers over them, and vaporize them.

[Darth Servo]

Maybe...but not before the Dianoga kicks a few of their asses

Most of thier asses, probably.

[Kintaro]

I don't understand how anyone would think that the Borg would be a threat to the Empire in the first place.

[Soontir C'boath]

Hmmm.....Just One can assimulate a control panel and gain access to lower clearance info like the map of the Death Star *R2-D2* roam around find their way through and try and assimulate the reactor etc etc.

Creating a home for the borg.
They can then start a massive assimulation such as the turbolaser, blasters etc etc and if they are smart enough...incorporate the blasters as their long range weapon due to their limited amount of borg in the DS1.

They soon start stunning unsuspecting troopers/officers with their new found weaponry and gain more information of the ship.

In out of all the likelyhood they find a high ranking officer with the proper security codes and gain access to more of the ship's computer and functions of the DS.

Sooner or later, the Imperials notice the amount of people missing and NOTE: considering that the borg assimulated people for the security codes in which they access the computer, the imperials could not possibly know it is the borg and would think it's the officer/s.

They send more troopers to investigate only to find the Borg in larger numbers due to assimulation.
A fire fight ensues with the Borg's own blasters and stormtroopers. Borg sets weapons on stun...stormtroopers are decreasing in numbers. Before reinforcements arrive the troopers fall back without their fallen comrades in which then the Borg may glady proceed to assimulate and add more ranks to their numbers.

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Ted C]

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Cyaround,
Jason

Was that meant to be sarcastic? It's certainly the most unlikely description of Borg behavior that I've heard in quite a while.

Out of curiosity, why are you planning out the Borg attack instead of giving orders in Tarkin's place, as the thread requests.

[Isolder74]

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Cyaround,
Jason

Was that meant to be sarcastic? It's certainly the most unlikely description of Borg behavior that I've heard in quite a while.

Out of curiosity, why are you planning out the Borg attack instead of giving orders in Tarkin's place, as the thread requests.

He is also forgeting one thing in the Imperial's arsenal Thermal Detonators. Since the Borg IGNORE theats untill you shoot at them they are toast since a squad could walk up drop one and then run like Hell!