SGU 106: Water (Spoilers)

[Manus Celer Dei]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised if the REAL value of Destiny isn't the navigational data it's accumulated but some other secret that Rush is keeping to himself. There's been a few little hints he knows more about the Destiny than he's letting on.

1) What happened to the people who gave up on the desert planet and went through the gate to one of the locked out planets? Insta-death? Stranded? What? They are not even mentioned again (that I recall).

They're probably dead IMO. There was presumably a reason Destiny locked it out.

[TheLostVikings]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised if the REAL value of Destiny isn't the navigational data it's accumulated but some other secret that Rush is keeping to himself. There's been a few little hints he knows more about the Destiny than he's letting on.

1) What happened to the people who gave up on the desert planet and went through the gate to one of the locked out planets? Insta-death? Stranded? What? They are not even mentioned again (that I recall).

They're probably dead IMO. There was presumably a reason Destiny locked it out.

Just imagine what would've happened if anyone was stupid enough to walk trough to the ice planet without checking out the atmosphere first, they would've died long before they could have managed to dial back out. It would suck to run out of Kinos...

[Oskuro]

Upon rewatching the episode, they have a throwaway line about sending them another dial-up remote through the gate, and the situation is never mentioned again, so I guess it is implied that those two were brought back offscreen. Wich is a shitty way of doing it, I would've preferred the Kino they were carrying relaying their sudden deaths back to Eli or something.

Oh, and that Pod I mentioned detatching, that's from the third episode.

I hadn't also noticed that the Destiny's FTL drive doesn't use hyperspace. Intriguing.

As an aside, I don't get why the floating balls are called Kinos. Some pop culture reference I'm missing here?

[PREDATOR490]

The thing that bothers me is the crew already know how to keep Destiny fixed in position, they just have to keep an active wormhole engaged for the Destiny to refrain from jumping. The WH can be tied up for up to 38 minutes and the last time they locked the gate open it took some time for Destiny to re-engage to FTL when it shut off.
Enough time to redial the gate and tie it up again I would expect. Thus, they could have dialed the gate, threw a bag in and topped up the suits to get more ice, then shut the gate off and have someone quickly redial Destiny and tie up the gate again. At the very least it would have made sense to try and test how feasible it would be to do.

As for the Stargates themselves, we have always seen Stargates require a DHD to work, the Kinos apparantly work as dialing devices but what is supplying the power for the gates to dial ?
I would have prefered the addition of DHDs rather than Kinos due to the extremely fragile lifeline they represent. Lose the Kino and your effectively dead like those two that went to the other planet. Incidentally, I expect to see the crew of Destiny attempt to dial up that gate and it seems highly unlikely they will be unable to do so if they can use a Kino to do it.

In theory Atlantis has provided Earth the ultimate means of exploration via. wormhole drive and has databanks full of information that can slowly be assimilated over the decades including Ascension so really... what can Destiny do to top that ?
Short of the Destiny FTLing into the Star Wars galaxy <Cue for SG vs. SW> I cant see Destiny being THAT important a discovery in itself. Although, I am curious how they intend to deal with the Ori situation. The Ascended Ancients 'shielded' up to 3 galaxies from the Ori so shouldnt we expect to see the work of the Ori and OTHER ascended creatures out here where they would have free reign to manipulate and look without intervention ?
Incidentally, I wonder if that is why the Ancients relied on automatic ships and never went to the Destiny to explore since they would risk attracting the Ori.

[Oskuro]

The thing that bothers me is the crew already know how to keep Destiny fixed in position, they just have to keep an active wormhole engaged for the Destiny to refrain from jumping.

Remember how the whole ship began shaking when it was time to depart? I don't think tying it in place would be a good idea. As for throwing things through, I suspect the failsafe only works if an actual living being is going through. In any case, it'd be quite risky to try and do such a thing, since a miscalculation would mean the Destiny would jump to FTL and leave anyone on the other side stranded, not to mention that maybe the dial-out system locks up as part of the departure sequence. Too many ifs in this plan.

As for the Stargates themselves, we have always seen Stargates require a DHD to work, the Kinos apparantly work as dialing devices but what is supplying the power for the gates to dial ?

We've seen gates dialed from handheld devices before, or from PuddleJumpers, besides, these gates are different, maybe they have a power source integrated within them.

what can Destiny do to top that ?

Rewatch the first episode, when they show the ship's trajectory. The second or third dot is pegassus. Destiny has gone further into the universe than any other ancient vessel, just the amount of data within its logs is invaluable, not to mention the possibility of establishing an intergalactic gate network.

[Anguirus]

Upon rewatching the episode, they have a throwaway line about sending them another dial-up remote through the gate, and the situation is never mentioned again, so I guess it is implied that those two were brought back offscreen. Wich is a shitty way of doing it, I would've preferred the Kino they were carrying relaying their sudden deaths back to Eli or something.

When was that?

Whether they are dead or not, I'm reasonably sure they aren't BACK.

[Zac Naloen]

It was specifically stated they could not make contact with them and they weren't brought back for that reason.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

As an aside, I don't get why the floating balls are called Kinos. Some pop culture reference I'm missing here?

No reference, Kino simply means "cinema" in German and Russian, so Eli's just calling them cameras and being a language nerd about it.

[tezunegari]

As for the Stargates themselves, we have always seen Stargates require a DHD to work, the Kinos apparantly work as dialing devices but what is supplying the power for the gates to dial ?
I would have prefered the addition of DHDs rather than Kinos due to the extremely fragile lifeline they represent. Lose the Kino and your effectively dead like those two that went to the other planet. Incidentally, I expect to see the crew of Destiny attempt to dial up that gate and it seems highly unlikely they will be unable to do so if they can use a Kino to do it.

The stargates are not dialed via the kinos but with the remote used to control the kinos.
And I think that the Destiny has a way to produce more kinos if supplied with the resources (Eli took one out of a dispenser that looked like a bubblegum machine)

The "Tatooine"-stargate (the ice planet from Water was canonically called "Hoth" )from Air had a base that looked artificial - more like the floor of Atlantis or the Destiny and not like stone (Milky Way/Pegasus).
While Milky-Way-stargates have the rotation mechanics within their ring and Pegasus-Stargates appear to lack mechanic parts it seems that the Destiny-stargates have the rotation mechanics inside that base. The ring does rotate as a whole unlike the MW-stargate with its inner ring.



So either the D-stargate is the oldest version of the known 3 modells or it was especially designed for the Destiny mission.
If the former:

• Destiny was started before the Milky Way galaxy received the gates that are still in use. The ancient popsicle Ayana (same actress as Young's wife by the way) from SG1 "Frozen" was found in a layer of ice assumed to be 3 million+ years old. She was present when Atlantis left Earth. So we know that Destiny is at least 3 million years old if it was launched and then forgotten becaues of the plague.

If the later:

• Destiny-gates might offer an advantage for the mission. Less resources needed for the construction or no external DHD for security purposes...

[Oskuro]

When was that?

Whether they are dead or not, I'm reasonably sure they aren't BACK.

Just after shooting the third guy and preventing him from stepping through, they close the gate and Eli says "You just stranded them!" to wich the soldier replies "We'll send them another remote later".

The lack of any statements as to the fate of these two makes me suspect that they've been contacted and saved offscreen, or that the relevant scene was cut, of course.

[Zac Naloen]

Then later they tried to contact them but couldn't, they never rescued them.

[Bilbo]

Then later they tried to contact them but couldn't, they never rescued them.

I got the impression that almost immediatly Eli was dialing the planet and trying to contact them via his radio. Lack of response that quick suggests something got them very quickly since they had determined that air was okay and temps were okay.

Me thinks they became hungry critter food. Stargates are not quiet, the opening of one could certainly draw the attention of a predator.

[JME2]

Then later they tried to contact them but couldn't, they never rescued them.

I got the impression that almost immediatly Eli was dialing the planet and trying to contact them via his radio. Lack of response that quick suggests something got them very quickly since they had determined that air was okay and temps were okay.

Me thinks they became hungry critter food. Stargates are not quiet, the opening of one could certainly draw the attention of a predator.

Yeah. For the moment, they're MIA and presumably dead, but I'm wondering if they might reappear in some form down the road. Time will tell..

[Imperial Overlord]

Yeah. For the moment, they're MIA and presumably dead, but I'm wondering if they might reappear in some form down the road. Time will tell..

Or they could have been captured by evil aliens and are now strapped to laboratory tables with electrodes in their brains while monstrous mechanical killing machines plot the extermination of Destiny's crew.

[Redleader34]

..Anyway, Water wasn't a bad episode, it felt a lot like Aliens, the aliens are actual ALIEN beings, and for a stargate, its bloody, a lot like the Showtime seasons. I feel its a solid 3, not TERRIBLE but not a 4 or a 5, middle of the road. If the filler is this decent this series will be a nice thing to watch on fridays!

[JME2]

Yeah. For the moment, they're MIA and presumably dead, but I'm wondering if they might reappear in some form down the road. Time will tell..

Or they could have been captured by evil aliens and are now strapped to laboratory tables with electrodes in their brains while monstrous mechanical killing machines plot the extermination of Destiny's crew.

Thereby alerting them to the existence of Destiny; I'm really curious to see if this is brought up again before the end of the season.