Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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On the 'UED Ghosts not being psychic' issue; that may actually be an arguement for the UED having a higher tech level. IIRC, the Koprulu Terrans couldn't build a man-portable cloaking device without at least involving psychic energy - although I can't remember how heavily their cloaking ability relied on the Ghosts themselves - the Wraith starfighters, being larger and having more power available, could mount purely technological cloaks. If the UED 'Ghosts' aren't psychic, that's an arguement for a higher tech level - at least in that, if nothing else.

EDIT: Take the above with a grain of salt, though, as I'm not sure how reliable my memory is in this.
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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An expeditionary force led by brilliant and talented military leader, Admiral Gerard DuGalle, was assembled. Admiral DuGalle was given three main objectives when he would arrive in Koprulu Sector:
"Brilliant and talented" my ass. After his much more capable subordinate, Vice-Admiral Stukov, was killed, he managed to finish taking control of the Zerg (which had pretty much been all set up at that point), and then lost it all to a bickering coalition of Mengsk's remaining forces, some protoss and Raynor, and Kerrigan's group of Zerg. He's outclassed by pretty much any other leader in the sector aside from possibly Mengsk, and we don't know how much of that was due to Duran and Stukov's assistance.
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Simon_Jester wrote:True, but the Ghosts' psychic abilities were always something of an informed ability, anyway. Aside from Kerrigan's abilities, it never really matters to the plot that every one of those cloaking shotgun-toting nuke-droppers you're using is nominally psychic. Take away the psi powers, and you've still got something effectively similar to a Ghost.
btw wouldn't Nova been the only other ghost to show to show any clear indication of psychic power had Starcraft:Ghost not been cancelled (some of the preview material show her using Protoss psi-blade(s)) in the games at least.
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Well, the cloaking ability is supposed to be psychic. And if we are including the novelizations they have telepathy as well. Of course, that if we count the novelizations...
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Mengsk is a total badass, he went from ragtag shitpiece fringe world yokel who didn't know where his loyalties lied, exploited the shitstorm of the Zerg swarm, and then managed to become Emperor of the fucking K Sec and despite the Zerg, the Protoss and the UED, he remained goddamn Emperor by the end of the Brood War. Badass dickstabber.

As for the Terran dudes tech... weren't they from a massive and ambitious super-scientific project that involved epic insterstellar colony ships of heretofore unseen design, with new-fangled experimental FTL-drives, and all that shiznit? Maybe they had all sorts of nifty tech in their databases, since obviously the dudes who sent them to colonize Saturn space with a race of morally affluent well-to-do people went to all the expense of getting them a first-class ride and stuff. For all we know, while the Terrans started colonizing the K Sector with the tech they brought with them in their spaceships, the humans on Earth could've suffered from the dark age of technology or something. :P

Unlikely, but it's another (comedy) option.
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Formless wrote:Well, the cloaking ability is supposed to be psychic. And if we are including the novelizations they have telepathy as well. Of course, that if we count the novelizations...
Wrong, telepathy is established in game. Terran mission five:

Kerrigan: "I've reconned the area and... Raynor, you pig!"
Raynor: "What? I didn't say anything!"
Kerrigan: "No, but you were thinking it."
Raynor: "I forgot you were a telepath. Whatever, can we just get this over with?"
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
Formless wrote:Well, the cloaking ability is supposed to be psychic. And if we are including the novelizations they have telepathy as well. Of course, that if we count the novelizations...
Wrong, telepathy is established in game. Terran mission five:

Kerrigan: "I've reconned the area and... Raynor, you pig!"
Raynor: "What? I didn't say anything!"
Kerrigan: "No, but you were thinking it."
Raynor: "I forgot you were a telepath. Whatever, can we just get this over with?"
I'm sure no one's claiming that Terran Ghost aren't psychic, at least my question was about overt examples on psychic abilities (excluding the technology assisted cloaking ability)
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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Guardsman Bass wrote:"Brilliant and talented" my ass. After his much more capable subordinate, Vice-Admiral Stukov, was killed, he managed to finish taking control of the Zerg (which had pretty much been all set up at that point), and then lost it all to a bickering coalition of Mengsk's remaining forces, some protoss and Raynor, and Kerrigan's group of Zerg. He's outclassed by pretty much any other leader in the sector aside from possibly Mengsk, and we don't know how much of that was due to Duran and Stukov's assistance.
I wouldn't say "pretty much any other leader," because it's hard to get a feel for how competent some of the other leaders in the sector are, but I do agree that DuGalle wasn't exactly Napoleon. I don't think he was a flaming incompetent, but he certainly wasn't anything special. At a guess, much of his problem was that he was up against people who were something special, who had talents and resources he wasn't prepared to deal with. Most of his prior combat experience would be against much less competent opponents, and that may have undermined both him and his staff officers' effectiveness.

Suddenly having to deal with enemies who are competent enough to do things like signals intelligence and well-organized commando raids against your installations can be difficult if you've never had to before.
Lord Revan wrote:btw wouldn't Nova been the only other ghost to show to show any clear indication of psychic power had Starcraft:Ghost not been cancelled (some of the preview material show her using Protoss psi-blade(s)) in the games at least.
I know nothing whatsoever about Nova, so I'm going to say "beats me."
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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She was/is the protagonist in the cancelled Starcraft:Ghost game and as far as we know your typical ghost or all intents and purposes (she might appear in Starcraft 2 as well but it's too early say atm)
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Re: Some weird question (StarCraft)

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I mean, I know who she is; I just don't know her backstory, how intense her psychic abilities are, whether they are at all unusual, any of that.
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