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Canadian Science Minister won't note support for evolution

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I happened upon this article dating back to May of this year - creationists really aren't making headlines anymore - wherein some people cornered the science minister about rumours that he's a creationist. Instead of outright supporting evolution, he avoided the question, thus pissing off those scientists who worry that the science minister is anti-science.

I've quoted only the relevant first part of the article below, check the link above for the rest:
Canada's science minister, the man at the centre of the controversy over federal funding cuts to researchers, won't say if he believes in evolution.

"I'm not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate," Gary Goodyear, the federal Minister of State for Science and Technology, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail.

A funding crunch, exacerbated by cuts in the January budget, has left many senior researchers across the county scrambling to find the money to continue their experiments.

Some have expressed concern that Mr. Goodyear, a chiropractor from Cambridge, Ont., is suspicious of science, perhaps because he is a creationist.

When asked about those rumours, Mr. Goodyear said such conversations are not worth having.

"Obviously, I have a background that supports the fact I have read the science on muscle physiology and neural chemistry," said the minister, who took chemistry and physics courses as an undergraduate at the University of Waterloo.

"I do believe that just because you can't see it under a microscope doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It could mean we don't have a powerful enough microscope yet. So I'm not fussy on this business that we already know everything. ... I think we need to recognize that we don't know."

Asked to clarify if he was talking about the role of a creator, Mr. Goodyear said that the interview was getting off topic.

Brian Alters, founder and director of the Evolution Education Research Centre at McGill University in Montreal, was shocked by the minister's comments.

Evolution is a scientific fact, Dr. Alters said, and the foundation of modern biology, genetics and paleontology. It is taught at universities and accepted by many of the world's major religions, he said.

"It is the same as asking the gentleman, 'Do you believe the world is flat?' and he doesn't answer on religious grounds," said Dr. Alters. "Or gravity, or plate tectonics, or that the Earth goes around the sun."

Jim Turk, executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers, said he was flabbergasted that the minister would invoke his religion when asked about evolution.

"The traditions of science and the reliance on testable and provable knowledge has served us well for several hundred years and have been the basis for most of our advancement. It is inconceivable that a government would have a minister of science that rejects the basis of scientific discovery and traditions," he said.

Mr. Goodyear's evasive answers on evolution are unlikely to reassure the scientists who are skeptical about him, and they bolster the notion that there is a divide between the minister and the research community.

Many scientists fear 10 years of gains will be wiped out by a government that doesn't understand the importance of basic, curiosity-driven research, which history shows leads to the big discoveries. They worry Canada's best will decamp for the United States, where President Barack Obama has put $10-billion (U.S) into medical research as part of his plan to stimulate economic growth.
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Just be glad we're still at the point where people are mum about it in public, and it hasn't reached the point where we have federal science ministers who are actively pro-creationist.
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How does a Science Minister not believe in evolution! Holy crap!

I want to find his address and write him a letter as to if he "believes" in gravity.
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open_sketchbook wrote:How does a Science Minister not believe in evolution! Holy crap!
It happens when you elect conservatives.
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Darth Wong wrote:Just be glad we're still at the point where people are mum about it in public, and it hasn't reached the point where we have federal science ministers who are actively pro-creationist.
The public voice of creationism seems to be on the retreat currently. The last major headline, that of the Dover decision, was 2005, and most of the other advances have been thwarted since then. Even Ben Stein's movie seems to have passed with a whimper. While individual support for creationism wouldn't have changed, the creationists themselves *seem*, on the face of it, to have abandoned the 'yell real loud' public legal challenge approach. I assume they're still feeling the slap from Judge John Jones four years later, or else they don't feel as invigorated without a strong anti-science conservative in office.
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open_sketchbook wrote:How does a Science Minister not believe in evolution! Holy crap!

I want to find his address and write him a letter as to if he "believes" in gravity.
I find it more mind boggling that he considers a question about whether or not he believes in evolution a question about his religious beliefs. You'd think a Science official would know better.
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It ought to be noted that, less than a week after the article Lagmonster posted, it blew up a bit and the Science Minister backtracked and sent letters proclaiming his full support for evolution by natural selection.
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He's a politician. Sounds to me like he was attempting to pander to the fundies and it blew up in his face, however few of them there are up here.

Then again, he's a conservative so it is possible that he really is just that stupid. :(
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Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:It ought to be noted that, less than a week after the article Lagmonster posted, it blew up a bit and the Science Minister backtracked and sent letters proclaiming his full support for evolution by natural selection.
I never found that; I just stumbled upon the original. Do you have links to said backtracking so we can see how he handled the criticism?
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Ryan Thunder wrote:He's a politician. Sounds to me like he was attempting to pander to the fundies and it blew up in his face, however few of them there are up here.
The fundies of whom you speak are not so rare in the prairie provinces.

And if we want to find creationists in our federal government, then we need look no further than our minister of international trade, Stockwell Day. He has gone on record as believing that dinosaurs co-existed with humans, back when he was trying to become Canada's Prime Minister. And he's hardly alone.
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Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:It ought to be noted that, less than a week after the article Lagmonster posted, it blew up a bit and the Science Minister backtracked and sent letters proclaiming his full support for evolution by natural selection.
Does he deny the power of sexual selection of genetic drift?
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Lagmonster wrote:
Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:It ought to be noted that, less than a week after the article Lagmonster posted, it blew up a bit and the Science Minister backtracked and sent letters proclaiming his full support for evolution by natural selection.
I never found that; I just stumbled upon the original. Do you have links to said backtracking so we can see how he handled the criticism?
At the time I heard about it on CBC radio. Most of the links of the Globe & Mail's website to both video and articles about his affirmation of Evolution seem to be broken (even from the G&M's search function), but I managed to find this later criticism of part of his response, which seems to indicate that, well, he's a chiropractor and politician, not a scientist, and he probably has an understanding of Evolution somewhere around the level of Star Trek writers. The issue of a chiropractor with little understanding of science being our Science Minister is a problem all its own (as are several of his actions as Science Minister that I take issue with), but suffice is to say that, when I heard about this back in May, it looked a lot like he just gave a vague non-answer to try to avoid annoying any group, and it got blown out of proportion.
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Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote: At the time I heard about it on CBC radio. Most of the links of the Globe & Mail's website to both video and articles about his affirmation of Evolution seem to be broken (even from the G&M's search function), but I managed to find this later criticism of part of his response, which seems to indicate that, well, he's a chiropractor and politician, not a scientist, and he probably has an understanding of Evolution somewhere around the level of Star Trek writers. The issue of a chiropractor with little understanding of science being our Science Minister is a problem all its own (as are several of his actions as Science Minister that I take issue with), but suffice is to say that, when I heard about this back in May, it looked a lot like he just gave a vague non-answer to try to avoid annoying any group, and it got blown out of proportion.
I guess that depends on your definition of "blown out of proportion". I'd think a state's head of science thinking evolution was a matter of religious beliefs to be rather serious.
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