Principal retires after school district stops $-for-grades

[Solauren]

Serious, paying for Grades?

By The Associated Press

GOLDSBORO, N.C. - A North Carolina principal is retiring after school district leaders halted a cash-for-grades fundraiser she approved.

Wayne County Public Schools said Friday that Rosewood Middle School principal Susie Shepherd has gone on leave for the rest of the month and will retire at the beginning of December.

The Goldsboro middle school had planned to allow students to buy 20 test points for a $20 donation. Shepherd says she approved the idea after a parent advisory council presented it as a way to raise money for new technology for the school.

School district officials stopped the fundraiser this week, saying no students will get extra credit and any donations will be returned.

The district says a new principal is expected to be named next week.

Okay, essentially a PARENT Council thought it would be a good idea to let students buy Grades. And worse yet, the Principal agreed to it.

Really. I mean really. What the hell is wrong with those people?

'Mom, I'm failing math again'.

"Really? Well, 200 dollars should fix that right up"

[Akhlut]

But it teaches the very important life lesson that money will get you anywhere you need in life!

Seriously, what the fuck was this woman thinking? If they were so desperate for money, they could have done other things as opposed to allowing the parents to bribe teachers.

[lance]

Its not paying for grades its paying for a slight bump. 20 points is a grade bump for some people.

Assuming 6 hundred point tests for a class then it would be a grade bump for that. Tests tend to be worth half or less of a persons grade at this level. So a half of a grade bump or less. It's not too bad, unless they allow people to buy more than a 20's worth.

My school did something similar with some teachers giving some extra credit if that class had the highest amount of donated food during the food drive. It was only enough to bump a person a percentage point and raised one or two people's grade.

[Atlan]

Its not paying for grades its paying for a slight bump. 20 points is a grade bump for some people.

Assuming 6 hundred point tests for a class then it would be a grade bump for that. Tests tend to be worth half or less of a persons grade at this level. So a half of a grade bump or less. It's not too bad, unless they allow people to buy more than a 20's worth.

My school did something similar with some teachers giving some extra credit if that class had the highest amount of donated food during the food drive. It was only enough to bump a person a percentage point and raised one or two people's grade.

Yeah, but one's an incentive to do good. The other is basically outright bribery.

Guess which one is the wrong example to set for kids?

[Serafina]

Its not paying for grades its paying for a slight bump. 20 points is a grade bump for some people.

Assuming 6 hundred point tests for a class then it would be a grade bump for that. Tests tend to be worth half or less of a persons grade at this level. So a half of a grade bump or less. It's not too bad, unless they allow people to buy more than a 20's worth.

My school did something similar with some teachers giving some extra credit if that class had the highest amount of donated food during the food drive. It was only enough to bump a person a percentage point and raised one or two people's grade.

Are you saying that bribery is a GOOD THING if it's only on a small scale?

Seriously, even if you are right about the grading system (and i am not buying it yet) - that still gives wealthy students a advantage they do NOT deserve - having wealthy parents is NOT an acomplishment.

Your food drive example is a red herring.
Why?
Well, simple, because it actually represents an accomplishment - there is nothing wrong with handing out grades for accomplisments. We got "grade plusses" (Not full grades, but they accumulated to bump grades) too when we managed to make a succesfull sale during the christmas/summer fairs - from our economics teacher.

What does the "food run" or "christmas sale" example teach the children?
Put effort into it to get good grades
What does the "gives us money for grades" example teach the children?
Use your parents money to get good grades

Sadly, the last one is all too true - no need to make it an actual policy.

Ok, i have been civil so far -
Now back up or conceed your claim that small scale makes it ok, or i WILL start flaming you!

[lance]

Its not paying for grades its paying for a slight bump. 20 points is a grade bump for some people.

Assuming 6 hundred point tests for a class then it would be a grade bump for that. Tests tend to be worth half or less of a persons grade at this level. So a half of a grade bump or less. It's not too bad, unless they allow people to buy more than a 20's worth.

My school did something similar with some teachers giving some extra credit if that class had the highest amount of donated food during the food drive. It was only enough to bump a person a percentage point and raised one or two people's grade.

Are you saying that bribery is a GOOD THING if it's only on a small scale?

Its a fund raiser, and I said not too bad. Its a half of a grade in one class in middle school.

Seriously, even if you are right about the grading system (and i am not buying it yet) - that still gives wealthy students a advantage they do NOT deserve - having wealthy parents is NOT an acomplishment.

Its 20 dollars, wealthy parents are

Your food drive example is a red herring.
Why?
Well, simple, because it actually represents an accomplishment - there is nothing wrong with handing out grades for accomplisments. We got "grade plusses" (Not full grades, but they accumulated to bump grades) too when we managed to make a succesfull sale during the christmas/summer fairs - from our economics teacher.

I hardly consider donating more ramen than the next class to be much of an accomplishment. It also rewards kids that have wealthy parents more than the 20 dollars for 20 points does. It is pretty much the same thing. Your getting a boost to your math or science grade by doing something completely unrelated to your field.

What does the "food run" or "christmas sale" example teach the children?
Put effort into it to get good grades

Or loot your parents pantry for good grades?
Or it doesn't matter if you suck at your job if you do unrelated things.

What does the "gives us money for grades" example teach the children?
Use your parents money to get good grades

Sadly, the last one is all too true - no need to make it an actual policy.

Ok, i have been civil so far -
Now back up or conceed your claim that small scale makes it ok, or i WILL start flaming you!

Fuck you. Learn to fucking read, you dumb piece of shit before you talk shit.

[dragon]

Ok instead of buying grades the school should have used the money to set up after school tutoring for the failing students. Which is what my high school did. The teacher got extra pay and the rest of the money went into the school fund. This allowed the students that were having difficulty extra help. Granted alot of the students that were having problems were due to laziness, but a few kids were able to benefit from the program.

[Serafina]

Its a fund raiser, and I said not too bad. Its a half of a grade in one class in middle school.

Of course it raises funds.
It's still an exchange of money for grades. You are STILL saying that it is not a bad thing because it is only a small thing.
That's simply a (poor) attempt at moral relativity.

Its 20 dollars, wealthy parents are

(guess you did not finish that sentence?)
Ah, someone who has no claim how much 20$ can be worth. Guess you never had to pay stuff for yourself then...

Even IF we are only talking about "half a grade" (for which i only have your word) - what stops wealthy parents from paying these 20$ for every test?
Let's assume 4 tests per month (correct me if i am wrong) - thats 80$ a month.
Thats about 1/4 of my monthly budget.
Get a grasp of reality.

I hardly consider donating more ramen than the next class to be much of an accomplishment. It also rewards kids that have wealthy parents more than the 20 dollars for 20 points does. It is pretty much the same thing. Your getting a boost to your math or science grade by doing something completely unrelated to your field.

Stop dogding the point.
What does the policy TEACH the kids?

Or loot your parents pantry for good grades?
Or it doesn't matter if you suck at your job if you do unrelated things.

If you can not put up something better than this pathetic strawmen, you are not only an idiot, but also dumb.
Adress the fucking point: What does it teach the children?

Show me that exchanging money for grades does NOT teach that children that money is more important than accomlishments and responsibility.

Grow a fucking spine and admit that teaching kids that their parents money will fix everything is a bad thing.
I guess you are an excellent example for that.

[lance]

Its a fund raiser, and I said not too bad. Its a half of a grade in one class in middle school.

Of course it raises funds.
It's still an exchange of money for grades. You are STILL saying that it is not a bad thing because it is only a small thing.
That's simply a (poor) attempt at moral relativity.

No, I am saying it is not too bad, though 'that' would have been a better word to use than 'too'.

Its 20 dollars, wealthy parents are

(guess you did not finish that sentence?)
Ah, someone who has no claim how much 20$ can be worth. Guess you never had to pay stuff for yourself then...

I was going to go with irrelevant. If a parent has problems coming up with 20 dollars then they are going to be far from wealthy

Even IF we are only talking about "half a grade" (for which i only have your word) - what stops wealthy parents from paying these 20$ for every test?
Let's assume 4 tests per month (correct me if i am wrong) - thats 80$ a month.
Thats about 1/4 of my monthly budget.

It was never stated that they could buy more than one, and I am both under the assumption that is the case and mentioned what it is if that assumption is wrong, if you bothered to have actually read my fucking post.

Get a grasp of reality.

Learn 2 Read.

I hardly consider donating more ramen than the next class to be much of an accomplishment. It also rewards kids that have wealthy parents more than the 20 dollars for 20 points does. It is pretty much the same thing. Your getting a boost to your math or science grade by doing something completely unrelated to your field.

Stop dogding the point.
What does the policy TEACH the kids?

Or loot your parents pantry for good grades?
Or it doesn't matter if you suck at your job if you do unrelated things.

If you can not put up something better than this pathetic strawmen, you are not only an idiot, but also dumb.

How are those straw men? They are things that the kids can learn from it as much as what you said.

Adress the fucking point: What does it teach the children?

A variety of things maybe learned from this, including what was said and other things.
To take advantage of opportunities when they come along.

Show me that exchanging money for grades does NOT teach that children that money is more important than accomlishments and responsibility.

How about you fuck off and do your own research.

Grow a fucking spine and admit that teaching kids that their parents money will fix everything is a bad thing.

Sure, though I would say that you really should point to where I said it was a good thing or shut the fuck up and learn to read before you go off like a pompous bitch.

I guess you are an excellent example for that.

Of what? Parents buying there kids out of trouble? I have never

[Sarevok]

The school is raising funds for updating its infrastructure. The principal is not pocketing money for herself. The money so insignificant anyone can contribute and the 20 point grade bump is a drop of water in a bucket. How is this bribery ? Do some people even know what bribery is ?