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At least SOMEBODY's protecting the All-Mighty and his plan from the homersexural agenda!

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PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- An opponent of same-sex marriage, Governor Carcieri has vetoed bill that would have added "domestic partners'' to the list of people authorized by law to make funeral arrangements for each other.

In his veto message, Republican Carcieri said: "This bill represents a disturbing trend over the past few years of the incremental erosion of the principles surrounding traditional marriage, which is not the preferred way to approach this issue.
"If the General Assembly believes it would like to address the issue of domestic partnerships, it should place the issue on the ballot and let the people of the state of Rhode Island decide.''

The bill, also sponsored by state Sen. Rhoda Perry and state Rep. David Segal, would add "domestic partners'' to the list, in current law, of people who can legally make arrangements for a deceased person's funeral, cremation or burial to include domestic partners if the deceased person left no pre-arranged funeral contract.

The legislation defines a domestic partner as someone who was in an "exclusive, intimate and committed relationship" with the deceased and had lived with him or her for at least a year prior to the death; is at least 18, not married to anyone else, not related by blood and who was financially "interdependent'' with the deceased as evidenced, for example, by a joint mortgage, shared credit card or domestic partnership contract.

According to its sponsors, the legislation is designed to provide rights to domestic partners regardless of whether they are of the same or opposite sexes.

Carcieri cited at least two other reasons for his veto.

As written, he said the bill would allow the decisions of a "partner'' of a year to take precedence over "traditional family members,'' and he believes a "one year time period is not a sufficient duration to establish a serious bond between two individuals...[relative to] sensitive personal traditions and issues regarding funeral arrangements, burial rights and disposal of human remains.''

Carcieri said he was also uncertain "how it would be ascertained in many circumstances whether [a couple] had been in a relationship for year'' since there is "no official or recognized form'' of domestic partnership agreement in Rhode Island. He called this proviso "vague and ill-defined.''

Governor Carcieri has vetoed 24 other bills today


Describing himself as ''genuinely upset'' by Carcieri's actions, Rep. Segal said: "'I think the man is heartless and this has become a bad joke that has carried on for far too long.'' The joke? "His insistent, persistent need to assert himself by undermining the lives of gay people who love each other and want to be in committed relationships.''

Segal said Carcieri took his adamant opposition to same-sex marriage too far, since this "doesn't change the definition of the word 'marriage,' as evidenced by the fact the "overwhelming majority of people in the General Assembly who oppose gay marriage saw fit to support the legislation. ''

The legislation was prompted by one of the more heart-wrenching personal stories to emerge from the same-sex marriage debate.

At a hearing this year on one of the stalled bills to allow same-sex marriage, Mark S. Goldberg told a Senate committee about his months-long battle last fall to persuade state authorities to release to him the body of his partner of 17 years, Ron Hanby, so he could grant Hanby's wish for cremation -- only to have that request rejected because "we were not legally married or blood relatives."

Goldberg said he tried to show the police and the state medical examiner's office "our wills, living wills, power of attorney and marriage certificate" from Connecticut, but "no one was willing to see these documents."

He said he was told the medical examiner's office was required to conduct a two-week search for next of kin, but the medical examiner's office waited a full week before placing the required ad in a newspaper. And then when no one responded, he said, they "waited another week" to notify another state agency of an unclaimed body.

After four weeks, he said, a Department of Human Services employee "took pity on me and my plight ... reviewed our documentation and was able to get all parties concerned to release Ron's body to me," but then the cremation society refused to cremate Ron's body.

"On the same day, I contacted the Massachusetts Cremation Society and they were more than willing to work with me and cremate Ron's body," and so, "on November 6, 2008, I was able to finally pick up Ron's remains and put this tragedy to rest."

"I felt as if I was treated not as a second-class citizen, but as a noncitizen," Goldberg told the Senate Judiciary Committee, an hour into the first hearing this year in the 13-year push by gay-rights advocates for the right to marry in Rhode Island, and the pushback from the Roman Catholic Church and other opponents.

Kathy Kushnir, executive directive of the advocacy group Marriage Equality of Rhode Island, called the governor's veto "unconscionable'' when "people are trying to piece their lives together, which is what Rhode Island is requiring them to do without legal recognition,'' and then when "faced with a time that could not be more difficult or more painful, not even being able to take care of funeral arrangements for their loved ones."
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As if there weren't enough evidence of the extent of the animosity towards the attempt to obtain social equity, here comes this pathetic fuckface who condemns a bill because of the conditions in which it's framed, conditions which he seeks to propagate; an inability to ascertain how long a relationship has been in existance.

What a contemptable, shitsucking, cuntfaced motherfucker this cretin is. No "official or recognised form" of recognising a domestic partnership, and you condemn a bill that allows grieveing people to simply bury their dead for it?

Go fuck yourself with a piece of frozen dog shit, governor. :x
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Carcieri is a dick. You can bet that with a man and a woman who weren't married he'd let them have control of the body, but a man and man or woman and woman? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!This state has 70% support for gay marriage, and the bastard opposes it. I don't know why Rhode Island usually votes in Republican governors with an overwhelming Democratic majority.
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Ooh ooh, let me ask this one!
Hey, mister asshole, how would you feel about a husband arranging for his wife's funeral arrangements if she had died a week after the honeymoon? Or two hours after the marriage ceremony?
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As written, he said the bill would allow the decisions of a "partner'' of a year to take precedence over "traditional family members,'' and he believes a "one year time period is not a sufficient duration to establish a serious bond between two individuals...[relative to] sensitive personal traditions and issues regarding funeral arrangements, burial rights and disposal of human remains.''

Carcieri said he was also uncertain "how it would be ascertained in many circumstances whether [a couple] had been in a relationship for year'' since there is "no official or recognized form'' of domestic partnership agreement in Rhode Island. He called this proviso "vague and ill-defined.''
So does Rhode Island not have common law marriage? That's not exactly "traditional values" but I know that in Texas (yeah I know, hardly better in this case) if a man and woman live together for more than a certain amount of time, less than a year as I recall, they can be considered married through common law. There are other conditions, but I don't remember them off hand.

My point, at any rate, is that, well, can't the same conditions used to determine a common law marriage be used for this case? Oh, right. That would violate this douchebag's traditional values like democratic representation and, oh, OOOPS!, look what I did there.

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The Spartan wrote:
As written, he said the bill would allow the decisions of a "partner'' of a year to take precedence over "traditional family members,'' and he believes a "one year time period is not a sufficient duration to establish a serious bond between two individuals...[relative to] sensitive personal traditions and issues regarding funeral arrangements, burial rights and disposal of human remains.''

Carcieri said he was also uncertain "how it would be ascertained in many circumstances whether [a couple] had been in a relationship for year'' since there is "no official or recognized form'' of domestic partnership agreement in Rhode Island. He called this proviso "vague and ill-defined.''
So does Rhode Island not have common law marriage? That's not exactly "traditional values" but I know that in Texas (yeah I know, hardly better in this case) if a man and woman live together for more than a certain amount of time, less than a year as I recall, they can be considered married through common law. There are other conditions, but I don't remember them off hand.

My point, at any rate, is that, well, can't the same conditions used to determine a common law marriage be used for this case? Oh, right. That would violate this douchebag's traditional values like democratic representation and, oh, OOOPS!, look what I did there.

:finger: Fucker. :banghead:
Texas (and a few other states) are the only ones that have such length-of-time rules. In most states, there is no common law marraige at all. In those that do have them, common law marriages are a result of basically acting like husband and wife. If you present yourself as such for a week, you have a common law marriage, but if you do not, you can live together for 40 years and not have one.

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Carcieri has generally been a douchebag. After the tons of hate he has generated, I doubt that the governor will have an R after their name come the 2010 election, and probably for a number of years afterwards. Rhode Islanders are pretty good at holding a grudge.

William Murphy (the RI house speaker) can fuck off as well. He and Carcieri are pretty much all that's keeping Rhode Island from recognizing same sex marriage.

As an addendum, this was not the only bill Carcieri vetoed. He vetoed a couple dozen bills including one which requires banks to give a 45 day notice before foreclosing on a home, one which mandates that convicts who are arrested for violating their probation must be released from prison if it turns out that they didn't actually violate their probation, and one that requires the recording of police interrogations for serious crimes.
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The Spartan wrote:So does Rhode Island not have common law marriage? That's not exactly "traditional values" but I know that in Texas (yeah I know, hardly better in this case) if a man and woman live together for more than a certain amount of time, less than a year as I recall, they can be considered married through common law. There are other conditions, but I don't remember them off hand.
I must respectfully disagree. Common law is practically nothing but tradition, solidified to the point where someone decided to pass a law so that our contemporary society (which makes a much bigger deal out of having things written down) can enforce it properly.

The only reason common law ever makes any sense is luck, and/or the fact that some medieval judge was less of a dick than, say, Governor Carcieri.
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Simon_Jester wrote:I must respectfully disagree. Common law is practically nothing but tradition, solidified to the point where someone decided to pass a law so that our contemporary society (which makes a much bigger deal out of having things written down) can enforce it properly.

The only reason common law ever makes any sense is luck, and/or the fact that some medieval judge was less of a dick than, say, Governor Carcieri.
There's a reason I put traditional values in quotes. When I said traditional values, I'm not talking about what has actually evolved through common law, but, rather, what is being pushed by the people that shriek about said values. Their version often never existed.
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Civil War Man wrote: As an addendum, this was not the only bill Carcieri vetoed. He vetoed a couple dozen bills including one which requires banks to give a 45 day notice before foreclosing on a home, one which mandates that convicts who are arrested for violating their probation must be released from prison if it turns out that they didn't actually violate their probation, and one that requires the recording of police interrogations for serious crimes.
You mean...on Rhode Island, if it turns out you didn't violate your probation, you don't get released?

I...can't find the words to comment on it. Last time I read about something like that it concerned Polish political prisons under Stalinism. Jesus fucking christ... :shock:

This really should be publicized more. This man has to be fucking roasted over an open fire for those vetoes.
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PeZook wrote:
You mean...on Rhode Island, if it turns out you didn't violate your probation, you don't get released?

I...can't find the words to comment on it. Last time I read about something like that it concerned Polish political prisons under Stalinism. Jesus fucking christ... :shock:

This really should be publicized more. This man has to be fucking roasted over an open fire for those vetoes.
In America nobody cares about convicted felons, it's that simple. Being a convicted felon simply destroys your life, no matter the magnitude of the crime you actually committed, and the police are given carte blanche to essentially treat you however they please. Yes, literally, if you're held as having violated your probation even though you haven't, you will remain locked up as a probation violator even though you didn't commit the violation. And the fact that Rhode Island even cared about that enough to try and change it shows how liberal of a state it is, by American standards (it' s not just an island, btw, the full name of the state is Rhode Island and Providence Plantations). Probation terms are essentially periods in which you can be locked up by anyone in the criminal justice system whenever they feel like it... Not technically, legally true, but it more or less works out that way for many. The American people consider this perfectly ethical and appropriate, as the idea of harsh and unyieldingly inflexible punishment for crime is a universally accepted truism supported even by much of the liberal populace. Remember that in many American states being convicted of a felony or pleading guilty to a felony causes you to lose all of your civil rights for life.
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One more year, one more year.... He'll be out of office in one more year....
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The Spartan wrote:There's a reason I put traditional values in quotes. When I said traditional values, I'm not talking about what has actually evolved through common law, but, rather, what is being pushed by the people that shriek about said values. Their version often never existed.
Duly noted.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:In America nobody cares about convicted felons, it's that simple. Being a convicted felon simply destroys your life, no matter the magnitude of the crime you actually committed, and the police are given carte blanche to essentially treat you however they please. Yes, literally, if you're held as having violated your probation even though you haven't, you will remain locked up as a probation violator even though you didn't commit the violation. And the fact that Rhode Island even cared about that enough to try and change it shows how liberal of a state it is, by American standards (it' s not just an island, btw, the full name of the state is Rhode Island and Providence Plantations). Probation terms are essentially periods in which you can be locked up by anyone in the criminal justice system whenever they feel like it... Not technically, legally true, but it more or less works out that way for many. The American people consider this perfectly ethical and appropriate, as the idea of harsh and unyieldingly inflexible punishment for crime is a universally accepted truism supported even by much of the liberal populace. Remember that in many American states being convicted of a felony or pleading guilty to a felony causes you to lose all of your civil rights for life.
I honestly wonder whether most Americans understand exactly how far it's gone, though. It's one thing to punish people for committing a crime, but I'm not sure how gung-ho the average American really is on punishing people for not committing a crime. Has anyone done actual polls on how many people support not reinstating probation for criminals who are proven not to have violated probation?
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Pint0 Xtreme wrote:One more year, one more year.... He'll be out of office in one more year....
That's probably part of the reason why he's being a jerkass out of step with the rest of the state and state government - he knows his ass is grass after the next election.
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