SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

[Norseman]

By the way since many of you seem to worry about Communist infiltrations and what have you I've decided to post the known information on my Minister of State Security here. You may decide for yourself how much you and your intelligence bureau believes of this, or what they believe.

Luisa Isabel Medeiros - Minister of State Security, attractive woman in her late thirties or early forties (exact age unknown). She tends to wear men's clothing; such as a pinstripe suit or a full MSE Marshall's uniform (think German uniforms for the cut). She has long blonde hair that reaches half-way down her back, usually worn in a braid or a ponytail. She likes to play with a large butterfly knife, constantly opening and closing it, and she's something of a chain-smoker who likes expensive cigarettes and thin-cigars.

Other than that nothing is known for sure, not her exact age, her marital status, her family, home address, education, anything. That of course is true for a lot of high ranking Brazilian leaders, given the secrecy of the state there's a big intelligence gap when it comes to personal information. As a result there are quite a few rumours about her...

Rumours
1. That she is a sapphite with a nigh insatiable appetite for women.
2. That she has a small harem of comely lads to satisfy her desires.
3. That she is a dominatrix and a sadist who enjoys personally torturing prisoners.
4. That she regularly have people abducted if she fancies them.
5. That she's the secret lover of the Great Leader.
6. That she's secretly a man!
7. That she used to run a brothel!
8. That she used to work in a brothel.
9. That she secretly disguises herself to rent out as a prostitute.
10. That she personally carries out assassinations.
11. That her bodyguards must perform some heinous act to be accepted into her inner circle (the exact act varies, everything from killing puppies to family members).
12. Or some combination of the above...

EDIT: Oh yeah the Portuguese for Ministry of State Security is Ministério da Segurança do Estado.

[Raj Ahten]

By the way since many of you seem to worry about Communist infiltrations and what have you I've decided to post the known information on my Minister of State Security here. You may decide for yourself how much you and your intelligence bureau believes of this, or what they believe.

Thanks for posting this. it will certainly help make things.....interesting .

[Steve]

Damn you're all dead.

[CmdrWilkens]

Hey Raj,

Going completely OOC but basically this was Mexico stirring the pot before the next round of actions which will occur when I have time to post during a business trip this coming week. Put in different words we would be amenable to some sort of joint statement at a reasonable point in the future which would decry communist aggression and start to push back towards a proper social order in the Americas.


Aside to everyone else. The one thing I didn't really dig in to with the History of Mexico was where the current government stands. It is a constitutional monarchy largely in name, probably closer to what England was in the 1700s than more modern such states. The legislature is single chambered but the nobility are automatic members. That having been said the leading philosophical contribution of Mexico in the last 50 years or so has been an extension of the Age of Reason to encompass a refined version of noblese obligee that probably best resembles a class divided variant on social democracy theories. While there are competing ideals within and without the government (radicals on the American border tend to be in favor of a Republican government while those bordering Nicaragua tend to be influenced by the communist schools of thought coming from Colombia and Brazil) but the mainstream legal philosophy remains that.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Japanese? Feminists? That will give me a really good chuckle.

[Agent Sorchus]

Okay my first post is done finally. Hope it sounds Muslim enough, it is rather hard for me to get by with my limited knowledge.

[Steve]

Eh, I think you should've rejiggered your country to be a wildly successful Ethiopian Empire myself....

[Raj Ahten]

Hey Raj,

Going completely OOC but basically this was Mexico stirring the pot before the next round of actions which will occur when I have time to post during a business trip this coming week. Put in different words we would be amenable to some sort of joint statement at a reasonable point in the future which would decry communist aggression and start to push back towards a proper social order in the Americas.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you have planned.


On another note my orbat shold be in its final form now that I've figured for half tonnage for ships that are not actually in my fleet yet. I may go and figure out exactly what my auxiliaries are at some point, but that would be pretty far in the future.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Hey Raj,

Going completely OOC but basically this was Mexico stirring the pot before the next round of actions which will occur when I have time to post during a business trip this coming week. Put in different words we would be amenable to some sort of joint statement at a reasonable point in the future which would decry communist aggression and start to push back towards a proper social order in the Americas.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you have planned.


On another note my orbat shold be in its final form now that I've figured for half tonnage for ships that are not actually in my fleet yet. I may go and figure out exactly what my auxiliaries ar at some point, but that would be pretty far in the future.

The Aoba and Myoko class heavy cruisers in your inventory are rather anachronistic, considering that both classes in real life were not commissioned until 1927-1928. Considering this is a 1925 game, well...

[K. A. Pital]

He may be constructing them though. I list, like many do, NC ships for construction schedule.

Here's what I want to ask now.

I have 100%, 50% and 10% filled divisions. While the 100% and 50% divisions are clearly active Army, the 10% filled divisions exist to fulfill the mobilization plan with reserves. However, they eat up a significant chunk of my "active" manpower (they'd be equal to another 17 100% strong divisions or around 34 50% strong divisions) despite being essentially command chains kept in active service (otherwise the units would be far harder to raise).

Other people apparently did not consider that their reserve manpower, to be mobilized, requires usually around 10% of the number of mobilizing men to serve in "barebone" paper units as command staff.

[Norseman]

I've already "lost" 15 divisions by increasing my standing army division size to 25 000 men, so I'm reluctant to put even more aside. Beside I thought that the reserve apparatus was part of having a reserve in the first place.

[K. A. Pital]

In that case I will have to tweak my OOBs. But yeah, the reserve units should probably include command staff for them.

[Norseman]

In that case I will have to tweak my OOBs. But yeah, the reserve units should probably include command staff for them.

I agree, I just thought that reserve staff was already provided for when you had them in reserve so to speak. As you may notice from my own personal layout I'm not overly fond of paperwork, I prefer to handwave and assume that my High Command knows what its doing.

[K. A. Pital]

To be fair though, a large part of the mob. reserve would not have a prepared CT for it. I have 175 divisions with prepared CT and 82 divisions without prepared CT in the mob.plan. And 94 divisions standing, of them 40 are half-strength and 54 are full-strength.

[Thanas]

....you are of course missing the war of 1864, the war of 1871 and the various hanseatic histories, which all ran strong convoys, though admittedly they were coastal or confined to the Baltic. With the same mindset being applied to long-range shipping - which we have been in the business for the past, oh, 90 or so years, I see no reason to assume your point is valid.

I repeated:

The IMPERIAL GERMAN NAVY (not the Kingdom of Prussia navy, German Confederation, etc.) Has no history of convoys. While they did "convoy" in a sense by steaming the High Seas Fleet up and down the North Sea, convoying merchant ships over very long distances was historically something the Anglos did in modern time. Comparing moving around the Baltic, during the pre-modern naval era, with long distance convoying of the type that the British and Americans did is silly.

The Imperial German Navy is the heir to all those traditions and did convoy in 1864 and 1870/71. As I repeated, you have no case.

Newsflash - my navy is not a 100% analoge to the HSF. In my history, we have conducted extensive operations for over 40 years now all the way from Northern germany to China.

You've conducted large fleet operations all the way to China Or the Indian Ocean? Or just squadron strength?

22 pre-dreadnoughts/dreadnoughts during the Cascadian/German disputes do count for large, methinks. Oh, and the transfer of four Battleships all the way to China.

It's funny that you're accusing me of attempting to "weasel out" of something when you're denying your statement on the first page of this commentary thread where you thought that War had already broken out,

As someone else pointed out to me, the whole "this is a warzone" idea kinda dies when your own post has such lines as:

"But you're at peace!" shouted the Captain of the Mecklenburg.

"No. Merely in a ceasefire. The two are mutually incompatible. Pay up."

So clearly the Captain did not think he would enter a warzone.

[Steve]

So we don't have to retcon we'll pretend the Captain was trying a last minute out.

Also, Thanas, dreadnoughts in the 1890s? The Accord was signed in 1899 after all.

Finally, Stas, you have a point, but I wanted to keep people from having to number crunch too much, so I'm simply presuming that the minor group of officers actually necessary for a paper division are already in service (works well with my nation's situation, Army cuts freeing up active officers for these posts, could work well with others). In your case those units are considered semi-active and will mobilize faster and with higher effectiveness.

[Master_Baerne]

Regarding the destroyer question raised earlier: I didn't spot the buiuld year, and will remedy the problem as quickly as possible.

[Thanas]

So we don't have to retcon we'll pretend the Captain was trying a last minute out.

Also, Thanas, dreadnoughts in the 1890s? The Accord was signed in 1899 after all.

German saber-rattling during the renegotiation deal for the dreadnoughts, limited number of pre-dreads during the 1899s.

[Steve]

So we don't have to retcon we'll pretend the Captain was trying a last minute out.

Also, Thanas, dreadnoughts in the 1890s? The Accord was signed in 1899 after all.

German saber-rattling during the renegotiation deal for the dreadnoughts, limited number of pre-dreads during the 1899s.

Saber-rattling may not have been the best idea, though I suppose the Cascadian reply could be seen in the unprecedented expenditure to fund six dreadnoughts in 1920.

[Thanas]

Fine by me - also gives me an excuse for building six dreadnoughts in the year afterwards.

[Steve]

And then in 1923 we laid six more!

I've yet to decide if I'll go ahead and build all six Defiant-class as planned - if I even can due to my other expenditures - or if I'll just go with 4 or so.

[Mr Bean]

Ok I finally have some time set aside. Britian will once again make her presence know after I can read up and get myself where we left off.

[Raj Ahten]

A note on my cruisers: All the designs in the current orbat are already built and in service with my navy. I'm using the Aoba and Myoko classes because they were still commissioned in the 1920's, even if it was the late 1920's historically. When I was looking around for historical designs there were not too many heavy cruiser designs to choose from that were built in the 20's. Most of them seem to be treaty cruisers as well. I went with the classes I did because I didn't want my navy hobbled by a treaty which doesn't exist in this world at all. Capability wise these ships aren't too special when compared with some of the cruisers other players have designs using Springsharp such as the Blucher class, which is quite powerful. Of course if Steve finds that my cruisers are just too advanced I'll Just have more Furutaka class ships and the Myoko class will only now just be being built.

[Steve]

I told you it could only be laid in 1924 IIRC. If not, well, now you know. Aoba can be your next heavy cruiser.

[Thanas]

A note on my cruisers: All the designs in the current orbat are already built and in service with my navy. I'm using the Aoba and Myoko classes because they were still commissioned in the 1920's, even if it was the late 1920's historically. When I was looking around for historical designs there were not too many heavy cruiser designs to choose from that were built in the 20's. Most of them seem to be treaty cruisers as well. I went with the classes I did because I didn't want my navy hobbled by a treaty which doesn't exist in this world at all. Capability wise these ships aren't too special when compared with some of the cruisers other players have designs using Springsharp such as the Blucher class, which is quite powerful. Of course if Steve finds that my cruisers are just too advanced I'll Just have more Furutaka class ships and the Myoko class will only now just be being built.

If you are interested in buying a license for limited or unlimited production of the Blücher or its successor ship, pm me.