SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

[Thanas]

Also: Lonestar, I appreciate the olive branch, but this non-apology is not really enough.

Also, before anybody starts bitching about my ships, this operation (BC in the indian ocean) was planned and carried out beforehand, I even wrote the time when they seperated from the rest of the scouting group. It was also cleared with Steve, Fin and Siege.

[K. A. Pital]

Finally, Stas, you have a point, but I wanted to keep people from having to number crunch too much, so I'm simply presuming that the minor group of officers actually necessary for a paper division are already in service

Okay, in that case I presume the same (i.e. the command chains of reserve units do not count as active, but are deducted from the reserve instead). I have already modified my OOB in the same fashion everyone else builds their Army.

[Steve]

That works.

And I'm not going to interfere in inter-player relations so long as people act appropriately IC. Obviously Germany has committed to the hardline stance and this should be settled in-game between players. Though I hope we can keep OOC relations from becoming rancorous.

[Coyote]

Well, now. Hopefully that will work out. More in-depth stuff will come later.

[Mr Bean]

Ok still reading page four but I'm expect the standard response for Britain if the Gulf was mined would be anything from bringing Mine hunting ships from new zealand and basically daring Fairfax and his boys to stop them (Along with a healthy dose of the fleet from that corner of the world) to unloading one of the older destroyer's from the NZ fleet base and just driving it into the minefield to give Britain and excuse to intervene in the conflict.

Minefields in trade routes are massive antagonism in British eyes. Fairfax could be eating German babies live on International radio but threaten the trade route and sir you have gone to far!

[MKSheppard]

*edited out due to major fuckup by me boo boo, I do not know geography, me is bad*

[MKSheppard]

*introduces Jesus Christ Fisher*

[Raj Ahten]

I told you it could only be laid in 1924 IIRC. If not, well, now you know. Aoba can be your next heavy cruiser.

Back to the edit function I go once more!

[Steve]

And my character is now officially Cascadia's President.

Response from all parties as to the affair of Mr. Lorenzo Tarrega would be interesting.

[Ryan Thunder]

Does the Hague Convention exist here, and does it ban hollow point, high explosive, or incendiary small arms ammunition?

[Lonestar]

Does the Hague Convention exist here, and does it ban hollow point, high explosive, or incendiary small arms ammunition?

*puts monocle on*

I think it's safe to say that the Grand Dominion would never abide by such ridiculous restrictions!

[CmdrWilkens]

Also: Lonestar, I appreciate the olive branch, but this non-apology is not really enough.

The question isn't really whether its enough for you but whether or not its enough for everyone else who signed on to your note. Mexico, for instance, is generally displeased by the actions which is why she signed on but the fact that the GD is willing to submit to third party arbitration means they are making an effort...so I can say off hand that if Germany continues to demand the letter of their note then Mexico will have to withdraw from supporting it.

[Steve]

Raj, I would expect Morales to join the Cascadian Tories in heaping scorn on the new President for rescinding the death warrant of a "known Communist spy". (Even if he's just leaving enough time for a Supreme Court appeal).

[Mr Bean]

Ok my intial OOB is up, aside from noting my Army is lackluster I've started assembling my Fleet. Steve take a look at if I've messed up anything per our previous discussion as I've got 550,000 tonnage left over which might go into me getting the tonages wrong as I stuck to historical ships aside from my one hypothetical.

Speaking of which I need a hypothetical heavily armored Battleship in the 48,000 range with a 23 knot top speed. As armored as I can get her with pair 15 inch guns. (Lets say eight) and provisos for a float plane because those are handy. I'd do it in spring sharp but I have no luck with that program. They are meant to be 1918-1923 produced ships.

[Steve]

At 48,000T, normal or Standard, it must be at least 1920-1922 in laying year.

[Mr Bean]

At 48,000T, normal or Standard, it must be at least 1920-1922 in laying year.

I don't mind the year but I'm out of historical ships to base my battleships on until at least next year because the Washington Naval Treaty killed the whole bigger/better idea. Heck without this my biggest ship is the HMS Hood and her sisters which are all Battle cruisers.

OAN any comments on my OOB Mix of ships and years? I'm not quite sure if I should be spending that remaining points on more Destroyer's(Of which I have 75 of various makes and models) Light Cruisers(32 total, 21 of Pre 1910, 11 of a 1918-1925 model) or more heavy cruisers (15 total) or Battlecruiser (12). I might add a few older model Battleships(10 atm) to my mix to make this more spot on with the heavy tonnage. Is 47 submarines to few for inter-war years or to many? This I don't know because I can't find one bloody OOB for the British navy in 1918 to let me know if I've got to much of one model or type or not enough.

*Edit as well the HMS Indomitable is unofficially up for sale since my Navy hung onto her longer. At 17.5 tons of displacement armed with four 12incher's and 16 single mount 4inch guns she's not the great gunship she was back in the day but she'd make a fine addition to anyone who did not go to fleet heavy and be able to stand off any number of light cruiser's or heavy one's.

[Steve]

I PMed you a design, layable in 1922, that would have Britain's excellent 15"/42 gun in four triples. Admittedly never Britain's favorite turret arrangement though....


Anyway, Cascadia - as an NF 5 - has 22 dreadnoughts and 4 battlecruisers in service, not counting the battlecruiser and pre-dreadnought assigned as academy training ships and the four Large Cruisers in the fleet, nor the 6 1923 dreadnoughts that will join the fleet in 1926.

[Steve]

Also, the dread I designed for you, if used, would count for half against your fleet cap as any ships of that class would commission in 1925 with a 1922 laying date.

[Thanas]

Also: Lonestar, I appreciate the olive branch, but this non-apology is not really enough.

The question isn't really whether its enough for you but whether or not its enough for everyone else who signed on to your note. Mexico, for instance, is generally displeased by the actions which is why she signed on but the fact that the GD is willing to submit to third party arbitration means they are making an effort...so I can say off hand that if Germany continues to demand the letter of their note then Mexico will have to withdraw from supporting it.

The latest letter by Lonestar is much more promising, it was not posed at the time I made my first reply.

[CmdrWilkens]

Also: Lonestar, I appreciate the olive branch, but this non-apology is not really enough.

The question isn't really whether its enough for you but whether or not its enough for everyone else who signed on to your note. Mexico, for instance, is generally displeased by the actions which is why she signed on but the fact that the GD is willing to submit to third party arbitration means they are making an effort...so I can say off hand that if Germany continues to demand the letter of their note then Mexico will have to withdraw from supporting it.

The latest letter by Lonestar is much more promising, it was not posed at the time I made my first reply.

See thats what I get for not cross-referencing times.

[Norade]

I have the Cidade-class (1916 model) a 22kt class fast battleship, the Rapid-class Heavy Cruiser, a 15.1kt design, and the Class-3 destroyer designs for export. I will provide full stats upon request and can have them laid as of 1923 when my nation started realizing they could copy Germany and export ships.

[Norseman]

I have teh 1920 class 30 000 ton battleship written up somewhere, but I could plausibly have exported a 39500 version too. They would be 9 x 16.5" at most though rather than 12 x 16.5" as is my main battleline. Of course this would only go to my fraternal socialist brothers. *However* if you have different needs just let me know, the Brazilian Naval Design Agency is capable of turning out well-balanced designs for virtually any calibre and tonnage, no need to be trapped in export models etc.

Heck... from 1919 on to 1923 I only laid down two ships every other year, which means that I'd have some excesses large slipway capacity too. Though that'd require some serious planning to construct and tie up *all* my slipways so I'd need a particularly good reason to do so.

[Thanas]

Alright, new developments posted.

All have been cleared via PM first.

[Mr Bean]

Ok lets talk Aircraft Carriers. Considering my extreme Naval bent I'm thinking of taking the HMS Hermes(1919)11k & HMS Argus(1918)15k, HMS Furious(1917) 22k, HMS Courageous(1916) 22.5k. So three conversions, two from cruiser's and one from the ocean liner. Plus the first model pattern Aircraft carrier. Total of 116 aircraft carry capacity. Considering my low aircraft focus I want to push them as something the Navy wants (As the Navy must have all!) but is this to many aircraft carrier's considering my low airplane count? I'm thinking right now my OOB is going to be 80% Navy/ 20% Land as far as aircraft goes. My planes are float planes or long distance costal based scout planes since my nation lacks large numbers of fight aircraft.

[Thanas]

The rules say that carrier aircraft have to come from your airforce total. I would imagine you can built new aircraft relatively cheap and easy, though. I mean, 116 aircrafts would cost you 11.6 point total only.