Teen Creationism

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-14 04:02am

Things happen for a reason.If you don't confess his name you go to hell.By not doing so means you've lived a life serving satan.Jesus will always give you the opportunity in life to accept him into your heart anyways.So you'll know you're doing wrong for example, when you put your trust in money and not God.Though there are some situations where you are taken and must work it out on the other side.Now you probably know that if you're not with God you are against him.You might look at that and ask, I'm no satan worshipper so How am I against anyone? Well what this means is, you allo w yourself to be used by the devil.You enjoy worldy pleasures resulting in sin, and in doing so become dead in sin.So you lose your sanity basically. Well I think I'll stop, I hope I didn' t come off as mean or something since I'm a newbie.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-08-14 04:53am

Priesto wrote:Things happen for a reason.If you don't confess his name you go to hell.By not doing so means you've lived a life serving satan.Jesus will always give you the opportunity in life to accept him into your heart anyways.So you'll know you're doing wrong for example, when you put your trust in money and not God.Though there are some situations where you are taken and must work it out on the other side.Now you probably know that if you're not with God you are against him.You might look at that and ask, I'm no satan worshipper so How am I against anyone? Well what this means is, you allo w yourself to be used by the devil.You enjoy worldy pleasures resulting in sin, and in doing so become dead in sin.So you lose your sanity basically. Well I think I'll stop, I hope I didn' t come off as mean or something since I'm a newbie.

I don't want this to sound too harsh, if that is your belief then you are certainly intitled to it, but what utter tripe! The whole way this thing started is because I pointed out to the reference showing that the only way to reach heaven from a Christian point of view is by believing in Christ. This means that you could be the most righteous, pious individual to ever cross the face of the planet, but if you don't believe in Christ You go to Hell!

What does this say about the Christian God? He isn't truely interested in your soul, or in your actions. Nor does he give two shits about this world.

He just wants to win a popularity contest! Please.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-08-14 04:54am

Priesto wrote:Things happen for a reason.If you don't confess his name you go to hell.By not doing so means you've lived a life serving satan.Jesus will always give you the opportunity in life to accept him into your heart anyways.So you'll know you're doing wrong for example, when you put your trust in money and not God.Though there are some situations where you are taken and must work it out on the other side.Now you probably know that if you're not with God you are against him.You might look at that and ask, I'm no satan worshipper so How am I against anyone? Well what this means is, you allo w yourself to be used by the devil.You enjoy worldy pleasures resulting in sin, and in doing so become dead in sin.So you lose your sanity basically. Well I think I'll stop, I hope I didn' t come off as mean or something since I'm a newbie.

No, you didn't come off as mean because you're a newbie. You came off as mean, because you're spouting arrant bigoted nonsense. "Everyone who does not believe as I do is a servitor of Satan." Lovely. Make many friends with lines like that? You're free to believe what you like, of course - but the rest of us are equally free to point out that you're spouting bigoted rubbish which confirms many people's worst opinions of Christianity.

As for John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish, but may have eternal life."

Of course, God made the world, and the rules, and kills people on whim. Hell, he even persauded Abraham to kill his own son, simply because God told him to (the fact that God didn't require Abraham to go through with it is irrelevant - the mere fact of making the request in the first place is utterly reprehensible). Such a lovely individual to give your worship to. Why don't you just go find Kali and offer up a few sacrifices?

Resident Creationist · Post by **Resident Creationist** » 2002-08-14 01:00pm

"Accountable" for what? Sins defined in some fucked-up value system where murder and checking out another woman's ass are considered equal?

those are by no means equal. Sins such as murder and rape and so forth are way higher than lustful thoughts, allthough both would be enough not to be acceptable, that doesn't mean they're equal by any means.

Sins whose definition is predicted upon the moral authority of a rampaging homicidal lunatic who wipes out entire cities,

You mean the city where they couldn't find 10 righteous men? that one? That was Sodom, and was WAY over the top in terms of how sick and twisted it was. The guests (who were angels in disguise) who had only been there one day found a mob in front of Lot's house of people who wanted to rape them, it takes a pretty sick society to reach that point...

and even annihilated the entire planetary population at one time, apart from one lousy boatload of survivors?

Let's say I have some money of my own, and I choose to give it to various people, if I dont' give it to EVERYONE EQUALLY am I being unfair even though it's my own money to give?

The notion of a being like this presuming to hold anyone "accountable" for "sins" (most of which are completely victimless, such as failing to pledge allegiance to him or worship his son) is simply ludicrous. Worse yet, in cases where genuine sin (crimes with victims) occurs, the notion that this being has the right to forgive you on behalf of the victim is even more ludicrous.

forgiveness by NO means implies that you let them go. Forgiveness is mostly about feelings towards them, meaning not holding grudges and not harboring resentment, but it says to let the law enforcement deal with the criminals, and not to take law into your own hands either.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-14 05:56pm

Noooooooooo not the "teen site" oh the trauma. The last time someone made me go on one of them I thought they'd rounded up every retard they could find and let em loose.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-14 06:09pm

Resident Creationist wrote:those are by no means equal. Sins such as murder and rape and so forth are way higher than lustful thoughts, allthough both would be enough not to be acceptable, that doesn't mean they're equal by any means.

You're missing the point, which is that God has committed far greater sins than any man who has ever lived, so he has no moral authority to dictate right and wrong to others.

You mean the city where they couldn't find 10 righteous men? that one? That was Sodom, and was WAY over the top in terms of how sick and twisted it was. The guests (who were angels in disguise) who had only been there one day found a mob in front of Lot's house of people who wanted to rape them, it takes a pretty sick society to reach that point...

Let me get this straight: there were some bad people in Sodom, so it's OK to annihilate the entire city? Women, children, babies, the young, the old, the sick, the healthy, everyone? Interesting value system you have there.

Darth Wong wrote:and even annihilated the entire planetary population at one time, apart from one lousy boatload of survivors?
Let's say I have some money of my own, and I choose to give it to various people, if I dont' give it to EVERYONE EQUALLY am I being unfair even though it's my own money to give?

How the fuck does that completely irrelevant "rebuttal" excuse God's act of global genocide?

Darth Wong wrote:... the notion that this being has the right to forgive you on behalf of the victim is even more ludicrous.
forgiveness by NO means implies that you let them go. Forgiveness is mostly about feelings towards them, meaning not holding grudges and not harboring resentment, but it says to let the law enforcement deal with the criminals, and not to take law into your own hands either.

Were you born this stupid, or is it due to years of fundamentalist brainwashing? I was talking about how God does not have the right to forgive crimes on behalf of their victims. What the fuck does your meandering babble about the meaning of forgiveness in society have to do with anything?

It's painfully obvious that you don't read or consider points before writing your "rebuttals". You see the word "forgive" and say "aha! An excuse to talk about what I think forgiveness is!" rather than trying to figure out what the author is saying. You see a complaint about global genocide and for no apparent reason at all, you decide to start talking about the unimportance of fairness under God's system of morality. Why do you even bother quoting, when your answers have nothing to do with the points raised?

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-14 06:15pm

"Everything in the world isn't Mathematical" You're kidding me, right? EVERYTHING is mathematical. Your thought processes are based on a series of 0's and 1's, just like the computer processor you are using to view this page. Everything is based on mathematics, whether you like to think so or not.

Where the fuck do you pick up an idea like that. You can get processors that don't use binary (rare and experimental I think) nevermind the human brain.

Shit who teaches them this sort of stuff?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-14 06:47pm

The Human Brain has neruos, These Neruos act very very close to computers

They are either *On or Off
Thus they can be said to be using Binary

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-14 07:00pm

I can't remember shit all from my old biology classes but I'm pretty sure it ain't just on/off.

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2002-08-14 07:16pm

I know for a fact that mathmatics does not apply to my brain

That section is set on 'off', permenantly.

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-08-14 09:25pm

The neurons (that's neurons, Bean) are manifestly not either on or off.

Anyway, here's my response on their site:

IDMR wrote:Please define what you mean by mathematical. If you mean whether it is mathematically sound, it must necessarily entail that a model be set up to simulate the topic in question. In that event I must regret to inform you that evolution provide some statsitically sound models. If on the other hand you mean that it is not mathematical in the sense that it does not pertain to mathematics and can be proven from axioms, then by your ridiculous distortion nothing outside of a mathematics textbook is 'mathematical'.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 02:44am

I thought this board was going to be a little more knowledgeable.You cannot be righteous if you do not have Jesus in you, for he's the only good thing.If you do not spread the name of Jesus or obey his word, you cannot be righteous.Relying on the things of man rather than God, makes you unrighteous.Relying on self makes you unrighteous as well.If you obey the Lord, their will be many rewards on earth as well as in heaven.

Nick* the example you use is poor seeing how God did it to strengthen abraham and is faith, not just to do it.Of course many would say God was testing him, but he knew what was going to be the result.God can do with his creation what God wishes, but he's a loving God so what he does will only result in good.The truth hurts at times, but it is always for the better.

Darik Sdair · Post by **Darik Sdair** » 2002-08-15 02:48am

I thought this board was going to be a little more knowledgeable.You cannot be righteous if you do not have Jesus in you, for he's the only good thing.If you do not spread the name of Jesus or obey his word, you cannot be righteous.Relying on the things of man rather than God, makes you unrighteous.Relying on self makes you unrighteous as well.If you obey the Lord, their will be many rewards on earth as well as in heaven.

Nick* the example you use is poor seeing how God did it to strengthen abraham and is faith, not just to do it.Of course many would say God was testing him, but he knew what was going to be the result.God can do with his creation what God wishes, but he's a loving God so what he does will only result in good.The truth hurts at times, but it is always for the better.

Priesto, I think you're making two assumptions that are not neccessarily shared by the people here, and these two assumptions are leading to the undesireable responses you are getting. The assumptions are:

1) The supernatural aspects of the Bible are true
2) The people on this board share your assumptions

I respect your point of view, but if you want to convince people of the correctness of your beliefs, you're going to have to understand that you'll need to transcend those two assumptions in making your points.

Edit: By the way, what does the intrinsic righteousness (or lack thereof) of Jesus Christ have to do with the topic of the discussion (Teen Creationism)? Maybe we should break that discussion off into a seperate thread.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 02:57am

The sodom deal is also quite simple.This was a wicked people so they had to suffer, for they had rejected God for far too long.You bring up women and children, but the women were wicked as well.The children were not, but had to be taken due to the sin of the parents.To question God's judgement is a mistake anyways, for God knows all and we don't. Why would you want to question that?
As far as forgiveness goes, there's a reason for everthing.God knows what's best we don't.You seem to think God is not pure and holy due to biblical accounts, but you don't take into account the many reasons they happened in the first place.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 03:01am

That's a good idea.I don't assume people on this board share my point of view, that's how I post.I read many posts and threads before joining this site.I'm interested in people's opinions on these matters as well as other things disscussed on these boards.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-15 03:13am

Priesto wrote:
The sodom deal is also quite simple.This was a wicked people so they had to suffer, for they had rejected God for far too long.You bring up women and children, but the women were wicked as well.The children were not, but had to be taken due to the sin of the parents.To question God's judgement is a mistake anyways, for God knows all and we don't. Why would you want to question that?
As far as forgiveness goes, there's a reason for everthing.God knows what's best we don't.You seem to think God is not pure and holy due to biblical accounts, but you don't take into account the many reasons they happened in the first place.

So the wicked must all die. Who decides who is wicked? An invisible being who is supposedly benevolent. And just becasue the adults sinned does not mean the innocent should suffer. It's not like they were the sinners accomplaces.

But all of your arguments boil down to God is right and everything else is wrong. Thats like saying I know it is right becasue I say it is. But wait you are saying that.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 03:25am

Mr. B wrote:
Priesto wrote:
The sodom deal is also quite simple.This was a wicked people so they had to suffer, for they had rejected God for far too long.You bring up women and children, but the women were wicked as well.The children were not, but had to be taken due to the sin of the parents.To question God's judgement is a mistake anyways, for God knows all and we don't. Why would you want to question that?
As far as forgiveness goes, there's a reason for everthing.God knows what's best we don't.You seem to think God is not pure and holy due to biblical accounts, but you don't take into account the many reasons they happened in the first place.
So the wicked must all die. Who decides who is wicked? An invisible being who is supposedly benevolent. And just becasue the adults sinned does not mean the innocent should suffer. It's not like they were the sinners accomplaces.

But all of your arguments boil down to God is right and everything else is wrong. Thats like saying I know it is right becasue I say it is. But wait you are saying that.

Well you seem to think an all powerful God has no right to judge.Even you know what is bad correct? and though the children are innocent, they would have grown to be no better, and you presume they suffered.Children are also loved by the parents, so this is another punishment for the parent.To know you were leading a bad life and your children in a bad life, and having them to die with you since you didn't want to do right.The children went to a better place anyways.You see, it is not so black and white.There are many reasons why things happen the way they do.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-15 03:34am

Priesto wrote:
Well you seem to think an all powerful God has no right to judge.Even you know what is bad correct? and though the children are innocent, they would have grown to be no better, and you presume they suffered.Children are also loved by the parents, so this is another punishment for the parent.To know you were leading a bad life and your children in a bad life, and having them to die with you since you didn't want to do right.The children went to a better place anyways.You see, it is not so black and white.There are many reasons why things happen the way they do.

How do you know the children would have grown up evil. People can change, they can move out when the time comes and start a new life.

So God is full of malice, he kills the children too just to spite their evil parents.

Your views are still black and white. The "sinners" burn becasue of gods word, while the "righteous" are saved. And even though the children are innocent they die just becasue god wanted to punish the parents more.

On another note: if god is all powerful couldn't he have just taken all the children away and put them in good homes while raining down the fire and brimstone on the parents. Apparently god never heard of social services.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 03:50am

That is apart of punishment if the Lord sees fit.Remember, God's actions always result in good.If they must be taken to work things out on the other side, then that is what is best.To take them from the only thing they know being their parents, and traveling as orphans would not be the best in that situation.I do fall back on the argument God is always right.God IS always right, I'm trying my best to explain with my limited knowledge. I'll leave the rest up to the Lord.
One more thing, they wouldn't have been blessed with children if that were the case.To take away a blessing you must give it.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-15 04:01am

Once again all you can say is god is right and we are wrong. You just can't seem to understand that all of gods action are crual and evil becasue you have been brainwashed to think that whatever god does it must be good, even the slaughter of innocent children.

And yes your limited knoledge of logic is showing itself.

Priesto · Post by **Priesto** » 2002-08-15 04:10am

How can God be cruel? Punishment is punishment, if you do not want to accept this that's fine.But it is truth, and no I'm not brainwashed.I simply do not have the ability to answer every little quetion that you think are big, in great detail.You can't question what happened in the past, if you do not know the full situation.Trying to rationalize will get you nowhere if you don't include God in your rational thinking.If that were the case you'd know not to question God on such matters, and you'd know the difference between judgement and evil.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-15 04:21am

Oh No he can't answer my questions, maybe becasue he doesn't have the answers.

I don't include god in rational thinking becasue god is not rational, he is cruel, malicious, spiteful, and also a mass murderer.

Don't question god becasue he is all knowing blah blah blah. I know the difference between judgement and evil, wiping out entire cities because they they don't listen to him is evil, mass murder is evil.

I know the difference, does god?

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2002-08-15 05:15am

Priesto is the single biggest fucking retard I have ever encountered.

Us: "God killed a bunch of babies."

Him: "God is good."

Us: "Even though he kills babies?"

Him: "Yes."

Us: "How the fuck is that good?"

Him: "Because he's God."

Us: "But he fucking kills babies!"

Him: "So?"

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-15 06:01am

Priesto wrote:That is apart of punishment if the Lord sees fit.Remember, God's actions always result in good.

Prove it.

If they must be taken to work things out on the other side, then that is what is best.

So you're saying God knows best because he does unfathomable things because he knows best? How logical.

To take them from the only thing they know being their parents, and traveling as orphans would not be the best in that situation.

Wrong, oh brainwashed one. Today we don't kill children instead of adopting them. In fact, by any civilized moral code, killing children would be reprehensible.

I do fall back on the argument God is always right.God IS always right, I'm trying my best to explain with my limited knowledge.

No, you're not. You're simply stating it, over and over, like a broken record. Just like Bin Laden chants his hatred of the US, just like the Ku Klux Klan asserting the "fact" that black people are inferior beings, just like any racist, bigot or nazi, you start with an assumption that cannot be proven, and has been shown to cause great harm or distress to virtually everyone except your own particular group of people.

I'll leave the rest up to the Lord.
One more thing, they wouldn't have been blessed with children if that were the case.To take away a blessing you must give it.

We can easily bestow that blessing ourselves, in artificial labs. It's not a miracle, and it's not given to us.

Well you seem to think an all powerful God has no right to judge.

Well, you seem to think that the right to judge goes to the one with the greatest amount of power. Let's run that by one more time, shall we? You think that the person with the biggest gun is correct. You think that might makes right. Just like any dictator does. Congratulations.

Even you know what is bad correct? and though the children are innocent, they would have grown to be no better, and you presume they suffered.

So you see into the future now, eh? You also liberally interpret things in order to salvage the situation and turn the focus away from the simple fact that God killed children because he wanted to.

Children are also loved by the parents, so this is another punishment for the parent.To know you were leading a bad life and your children in a bad life, and having them to die with you since you didn't want to do right.

You are seriously fucked in the head. So if your dad came over and shot my family, I'd be justified in shooting you. That's good to know. Besides, you have yet to prove God to be anything other than a genocidal, egotistical tyrant.

The children went to a better place anyways.

Just like the American Indians your kind murdered in the name of God? Just like every other human being whom christians have slaughtered, tortured and burned with the same excuse?

You make me sick.

You see, it is not so black and white.

For you, it seems it is. I even made a nice pseudo code of your method of analysis:

1 Independent_though = Off;
2 (Begin)
3 God = Perfect;
4 If God = not perfect goto Begin;
5 Else goto Begin;
6 Independent_thought = On;

The problem with this mindset is that it will never reach line 6...

There are many reasons why things happen the way they do.

Yes, and the chief reason for bad things happening would be people like you.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-08-15 03:05pm

Resident Creationist wrote:
"Accountable" for what? Sins defined in some fucked-up value system where murder and checking out another woman's ass are considered equal?
those are by no means equal. Sins such as murder and rape and so forth are way higher than lustful thoughts, allthough both would be enough not to be acceptable, that doesn't mean they're equal by any means.

Nope but they are supposeldly better than not worshipping YAHWAAAYYY which is according to christian dogma the worst possible crime.

Sins whose definition is predicted upon the moral authority of a rampaging homicidal lunatic who wipes out entire cities,

You mean the city where they couldn't find 10 righteous men? that one? That was Sodom, and was WAY over the top in terms of how sick and twisted it was. The guests (who were angels in disguise) who had only been there one day found a mob in front of Lot's house of people who wanted to rape them, it takes a pretty sick society to reach that point... [/quote]

But don't worry, The ever so good Lot threw his own virgin Daughters outside to the crowd. Nice. and even better, after they have been thoroughly raped over he doesn't let them back in, and leaves them to die in hell fire and brimstone, BECAUSE THAY ARE NO LONGER VIRGINS AND HAVE NO VALUE TO HIM. Nice guy, a paragon of virtue.

and even annihilated the entire planetary population at one time, apart from one lousy boatload of survivors?

Let's say I have some money of my own, and I choose to give it to various people, if I dont' give it to EVERYONE EQUALLY am I being unfair even though it's my own money to give?[/quote]

No but when you kill everyone in the world except a few who can fit on a boat, your being a genocidal evil bastard

The notion of a being like this presuming to hold anyone "accountable" for "sins" (most of which are completely victimless, such as failing to pledge allegiance to him or worship his son) is simply ludicrous. Worse yet, in cases where genuine sin (crimes with victims) occurs, the notion that this being has the right to forgive you on behalf of the victim is even more ludicrous.

forgiveness by NO means implies that you let them go. Forgiveness is mostly about feelings towards them, meaning not holding grudges and not harboring resentment, but it says to let the law enforcement deal with the criminals, and not to take law into your own hands either.[/quote]

and exactly what does this have to do with the rampant torture for eternity for the victimless crimes. Also it is within gods power to prevent things such as murder (or he is not ommnipotent) why does he not. and please do not mention free will, as he should uphold the free will of the victim as well.