Death Star I vs. Borg

[Soontir C'boath]

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Cyaround,
Jason

Was that meant to be sarcastic? It's certainly the most unlikely description of Borg behavior that I've heard in quite a while.

Well, i'm doing it with consideration that the Borg will continue to gain numbers with more stun troopers as they go along. I wouldn't expect them to use officers who would save their comrades.

Out of curiosity, why are you planning out the Borg attack instead of giving orders in Tarkin's place, as the thread requests.

To give a different view. I mean it would appear everyone is just saying that the Death Star's personal will just pwn them.

AS for stormtrooper immune to stun...explain Han's doing on the Falcon then.

Cyaround,
JAson

[Soontir C'boath]

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Cyaround,
Jason

Was that meant to be sarcastic? It's certainly the most unlikely description of Borg behavior that I've heard in quite a while.

Out of curiosity, why are you planning out the Borg attack instead of giving orders in Tarkin's place, as the thread requests.

He is also forgeting one thing in the Imperial's arsenal Thermal Detonators. Since the Borg IGNORE theats untill you shoot at them they are toast since a squad could walk up drop one and then run like Hell!

Note they are not on their utility belt.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Isolder74]

Was that meant to be sarcastic? It's certainly the most unlikely description of Borg behavior that I've heard in quite a while.

Out of curiosity, why are you planning out the Borg attack instead of giving orders in Tarkin's place, as the thread requests.

He is also forgeting one thing in the Imperial's arsenal Thermal Detonators. Since the Borg IGNORE theats untill you shoot at them they are toast since a squad could walk up drop one and then run like Hell!

Note they are not on their utility belt.

Cyaround,
Jason

And in the Entire Station they don't have a Armory!

[Soontir C'boath]

He is also forgeting one thing in the Imperial's arsenal Thermal Detonators. Since the Borg IGNORE theats untill you shoot at them they are toast since a squad could walk up drop one and then run like Hell!

Note they are not on their utility belt.

Cyaround,
Jason

And in the Entire Station they don't have a Armory!

So your taking to the assumption that the nearest troopers and more so after that will run to the armor first then get to the breached site as soon as possible...eh..heh....somehow i doubt that...

Cyaround,
Jason

[Ted C]

Well, i'm doing it with consideration that the Borg will continue to gain numbers with more stun troopers as they go along. I wouldn't expect them to use officers who would save their comrades.

Acquiring and using enemy weaponry is very un-Borglike behavior. For instance, they've had access to phaser technology for years, but they don't use phasers on stun to help them assimilate victims.

They aren't very good at concealing their activities, either. The stealthiest operation we ever saw from them was their invasion of the Enterprise-E's engineering section in ST:FC, and that was discovered within a few minutes. Despite assimilating dozens of engineering personnel, they weren't able to seize full control of the ship by over-riding access codes or otherwise bypassing command controls. People with the kind of information they'll need for what you're proposing aren't going to go anywhere near them, and they'd need to be awfully lucky to drop right into a group of people with root-level access to the station's command functions by accident.

No, I think containment followed by a systematic search-and-destroy operation will be more than sufficient to deal with the Borg incursion.

[Soontir C'boath]

He is also forgeting one thing in the Imperial's arsenal Thermal Detonators. Since the Borg IGNORE theats untill you shoot at them they are toast since a squad could walk up drop one and then run like Hell!

Note they are not on their utility belt.

Cyaround,
Jason

And in the Entire Station they don't have a Armory!

So your taking to the assumption that the nearest troopers and more so after that will run to the armor first then get to the breached site as soon as possible...eh..heh....somehow i doubt that...

Cyaround,
Jason

[Darth Servo]

Assuming this wasn't meant as sarcasm...

Hmmm.....Just One can assimulate a control panel and gain access to lower clearance info like the map of the Death Star *R2-D2* roam around find their way through and try and assimulate the reactor etc etc.

Do you really think this wouldn't tip off the DS security system?

and if they are smart enough...incorporate the blasters as their long range weapon due to their limited amount of borg in the DS1.

They never incorporated Phasers as ranged weapons, even though they'd assimilated lots of Fed equipment and personnel. Why would they act any differently here?

They soon start stunning unsuspecting troopers/officers with their new found weaponry and gain more information of the ship.

Assuming they haven't tripped off the security system. Assuming no one noticed them beaming on. Assuming Stormtroopers don't shoot them first and sound the alarm. Assuming drones even know how to sneak up on anyone in the first place.

In out of all the likelyhood they find a high ranking officer with the proper security codes and gain access to more of the ship's computer and functions of the DS.

Extremely unlikely. Unlike Fed officers, Imperial officers stay on the bridge where they belong. They let Stormtroopers and security droids take care of things like this.

Sooner or later, the Imperials notice the amount of people missing and NOTE: considering that the borg assimulated people for the security codes in which they access the computer, the imperials could not possibly know it is the borg and would think it's the officer/s.

In order to get this far in the first place, EVERYTHING needs to work flawlessly for the borg. This is highly unlikely.

They send more troopers to investigate only to find the Borg in larger numbers due to assimulation.

Assuming the borg assimilation tubules can even penetrate Stormtrooper armor. Assuming an assimilated Trooper doesn't have a self destruct in the armor to prevent capture.

A fire fight ensues with the Borg's own blasters and stormtroopers. Borg sets weapons on stun...stormtroopers are decreasing in numbers. Before reinforcements arrive the troopers fall back without their fallen comrades in which then the Borg may glady proceed to assimulate and add more ranks to their numbers.

Why should we assume the borg win? There are MILLIONS of Stormtroopers on the DS. The borg would easily be out-numbered by Imperial troops.

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

Please tell me this was posted as a joke. The scenario proposed requires that everything work perfectly for the borg and the Imperials fail all the time. That's not a dependable or realistic battle plan.

[Soontir C'boath]

Well, i'm doing it with consideration that the Borg will continue to gain numbers with more stun troopers as they go along. I wouldn't expect them to use officers who would save their comrades.

Acquiring and using enemy weaponry is very un-Borglike behavior. For instance, they've had access to phaser technology for years, but they don't use phasers on stun to help them assimilate victims.

Yes, but they are on an unfamiliar ship with to them unknown power and with limited numbers. This is not like ST: FC because they know they can adapt to phasers.
They are two different situations.

They aren't very good at concealing their activities, either. The stealthiest operation we ever saw from them was their invasion of the Enterprise-E's engineering section in ST:FC, and that was discovered within a few minutes.

More or less a half an hour more likely. Still enough time for them to assimulate unsuspecting personal.

Despite assimilating dozens of engineering personnel, they weren't able to seize full control of the ship by over-riding access codes or otherwise bypassing command controls. People with the kind of information they'll need for what you're proposing aren't going to go anywhere near them, and they'd need to be awfully lucky to drop right into a group of people with root-level access to the station's command functions by accident.

Note: I said

In out of all the likelyhood they find a high ranking officer with the proper security codes and gain access to more of the ship's computer and functions of the DS.

I thought this was a scenario?

Plus what makes you think that an area a borg overtake doesn't involve a walking path of a high ranking officer?

Cyaround,
Jason

[Soontir C'boath]

Ok a Perfect Scenario

God, can't you figure out already i'm just trying to ruffle some feathers?

I mean this thread was going nowhere.

Cyaround,
JAson

[Darth Servo]

Ok a Perfect Scenario

More than just perfect. You assume that both sides will do things they've never done before, like the borg actually using ranged weapons or Imperial officers wandering around the station for no good reason.

God, can't you figure out already i'm just trying to ruffle some feathers?

Such activity is usually frowned upon.

[Soontir C'boath]

God, can't you figure out already i'm just trying to ruffle some feathers?

Such activity is usually frowned upon.

Then someone lock this thread then.

It is then now known that this thread is for spam and not for a real critical analysis because none is needed.

So there.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Isolder74]

Note they are not on their utility belt.

Cyaround,
Jason

And in the Entire Station they don't have a Armory!

So your taking to the assumption that the nearest troopers and more so after that will run to the armor first then get to the breached site as soon as possible...eh..heh....somehow i doubt that...

Cyaround,
Jason

Once they know the Borg are present the attack squads can be issued these weapons from the nearest Armory. The Imperials are going to give the men every thing they will need after the Blast doors are closed. Blast door can only be opened from an area's command center once closed and if compermised can be removed from the abbility to open them at all.

[Soontir C'boath]

Ok a Perfect Scenario

More than just perfect. You assume that both sides will do things they've never done before, like the borg actually using ranged weapons or Imperial officers wandering around the station for no good reason.

As for Borg using ranged weapons....why not? They are outnumbered by a lot...they need all the advantage they may have.

Plus note: This is not the Enterprise we're talking about here with about xxx crewmen. This is a Death Star which personal numbers in the X,XXX,XXX range.

I'm not assuming anything really, just a small change in workings.

I think your the one assuming because you compare the scenes with E-E or D and extrapulate it for a humungous Death Star.

or Imperial officers wandering around the station for no good reason

Imperial Officers can go off-duty right?
We see officers in the hall-ways right?

Cyaround,
Jason

[Soontir C'boath]

And in the Entire Station they don't have a Armory!

So your taking to the assumption that the nearest troopers and more so after that will run to the armor first then get to the breached site as soon as possible...eh..heh....somehow i doubt that...

Cyaround,
Jason

Once they know the Borg are present the attack squads can be issued these weapons from the nearest Armory. The Imperials are going to give the men every thing they will need after the Blast doors are closed. Blast door can only be opened from an area's command center once closed and if compermised can be removed from the abbility to open them at all.

Too bad we didn't see this in the Detention block or the chase.

Cause it would've been real handy then.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Darth Servo]

As for Borg using ranged weapons....why not? They are outnumbered by a lot...they need all the advantage they may have.

They were outnumbered in FC too. Yet they never used ranged weapons. You can't assume the borg are suddenly going to do the intelligent thing when all the canon precedent tell us that they are morons.

Plus note: This is not the Enterprise we're talking about here with about xxx crewmen. This is a Death Star which personal numbers in the X,XXX,XXX range.

Exactly, which is one of the big reasons why the borg will have their asses handed to them.

I'm not assuming anything really, just a small change in workings.

You're assuming the borg will suddenly grow a brain. Thats not exactly a small change.

I think your the one assuming because you compare the scenes with E-E or D and extrapulate it for a humungous Death Star.

I know the DS has far better security than the E-D and E-E. You are the one assuming the borg will have as easy a time with Imperial troops as they did in FC.

Imperial Officers can go off-duty right?

To assume that the borg will just happen to cross paths with one on his way to his quarters on a 160 km battle station is a rather large assumption, don't you think?

We see officers in the hall-ways right?

Never alone, which is what is required in your scenario.

Too bad we didn't see this [blast doors] in the Detention block or the chase.

You're operating under the assumption that the troops were trying to capture/kill Luke and company rather than heard and harass them and then let them escape so they could be tracked back to the rebel base.

BTW, we DID see blast doors be closed and locked multiple times. In the detention center, the Stormtroopers needed to destroy the door to get into the detention center. In the 'swing across pit' scene, Luke shoots the controls on the door, locking it closed. Han just barely jumps through a closing blast door. In the hanger, Luke shoots the controls of a door and the blast door immediately closes, which he thinks will prevent Vader and more troops from entering the area (although they had no intention of entering the hanger anyways--let them go to be tracked back to their base).

Now shut the hell up before I smack you.

[Kurgan]

I don't understand how anyone would think that the Borg would be a threat to the Empire in the first place.

And the Star Trek and Star Wars universes would never intersect in the first place.. and none of it is real either.

*roll's eyes*

That's not the point! ; )

[Patrick Degan]

I trust this was a joke:

Hmmm.....Just One can assimulate a control panel and gain access to lower clearance info like the map of the Death Star *R2-D2* roam around find their way through and try and assimulate the reactor etc etc.

Um, R2D2 was able to access the computer terminal because it was equipped with a compatible link connection. Vastly different from a Federation computer system.

Creating a home for the borg.
They can then start a massive assimulation such as the turbolaser, blasters etc etc and if they are smart enough...incorporate the blasters as their long range weapon due to their limited amount of borg in the DS1.

Naturally, the gun crews and their officers will not notice the intruders entering their station, fire back, or sound alarms to alert the rest of the battlestation.

They soon start stunning unsuspecting troopers/officers with their new found weaponry and gain more information of the ship.

Yes, we all know how Imperial troopers and officers traverse the station alone... oh, wait, they don't do that at all. We never saw any single control area manned by only one trooper or officer, and we've never seen any trooper or officer go to any area of the station without at least one accompanying trooper along with him. Bang goes the "unsuspecting trooper" surmise.

In out of all the likelyhood they find a high ranking officer with the proper security codes and gain access to more of the ship's computer and functions of the DS.

Pity Imperial systems do not all connect to a single central control core. There isn't a single-function access code system which will shut down the entire battlestation or slave its control to any given station.

Sooner or later, the Imperials notice the amount of people missing and NOTE: considering that the borg assimulated people for the security codes in which they access the computer, the imperials could not possibly know it is the borg and would think it's the officer/s.

Pity that the Borg have never utilised camoflage or disguise as a tactic.

They send more troopers to investigate only to find the Borg in larger numbers due to assimulation.

So... you have several dozen Borg drones or at most several hundred against a station garrison numbering in the millions, and naturally no Imperial officer will think to drop blast doors, compartmentalise the station, or send in war droids.

A fire fight ensues with the Borg's own blasters and stormtroopers. Borg sets weapons on stun...stormtroopers are decreasing in numbers. Before reinforcements arrive the troopers fall back without their fallen comrades in which then the Borg may glady proceed to assimulate and add more ranks to their numbers.

The Imperials call up as many reinforcements as they need from the million+ garrison they have available, section off the station, set up defence positions with E-web blasters. Oh, they also put the entire battlestation on alert.

BTW, the Borg have never utilised captured weaponry in combat.

With security codes at hand and the growing amount of Borg, they may then proceed to other sections of the Death Star and assimulate the entire sphere.

The blast doors don't operate off of a central security code key system. Nor does the station's decentralised control structure, either. The Borg will be facing a heavily armed garrison numbering in the millions who have been put on alert. They will be contained and isolated, and then eliminated. Borg personal forcefields won't provide protection against weapons which operate on the principle of raw firepower instead of radiation frequency modulation. The Imperials will not send in troopers one by one but in squad, platoon, and company strength into any given position. Borg assimilation prongs won't be very successful against stormtrooper armour, so I doubt seriously the rapid-assimilation scenario will unfold as you believe. The first appearance the Borg make into any manned station will give away their presence on the station, and the alarm will be sounded.

In short, the Borg aren't going to be taking over a moon-sized battlestation garrisoned by a very large, professional army who do not operate on the same sort of tactical stupidity which governs the behaviour of Federation starship crews or Klingon boarding parties. They will get cut apart very quickly.

[SirNitram]

I don't understand how anyone would think that the Borg would be a threat to the Empire in the first place.

And the Star Trek and Star Wars universes would never intersect in the first place.. and none of it is real either.

*roll's eyes*

That's not the point! ; )

They're not a threat because they are so much less powerful.

[Captain Jack]

What would the Deathstar's jammers do to the Borg

[Soontir C'boath]

Very good....very good..heheh. Kudos to those who went against my scenario.

And at least I tried to make something of this lol.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Ted C]

Very good....very good..heheh. Kudos to those who went against my scenario.

And at least I tried to make something of this lol.

Being the devil's advocate does have its amusing moments.

[Darth Servo]

Very good....very good..heheh. Kudos to those who went against my scenario.

Your scenario was mind-numbingly stupid. How could anyone not be against it?

And at least I tried to make something of this lol.

You weren't very successful.

[Soontir C'boath]

Very good....very good..heheh. Kudos to those who went against my scenario.

Your scenario was mind-numbingly stupid. How could anyone not be against it?

And at least I tried to make something of this lol.

You weren't very successful.

I'm more successful than those that didn't even write a scenario.

And actually, this thread is stupid. For it will bring stupid scenarios like mine to the table.

Cyaround,
Jason

[Superman]

The original Borg would not even show up with multiple ships. It would just be the one massive cube.

[Admiral Johnason]

The original Borg would not even show up with multiple ships. It would just be the one massive cube.

Borg mistake number one. Never go it alone against the ausome might of the Empire.