CERN wrote:Geneva, 23 November 2009. Today the LHC circulated two beams simultaneously for the first time, allowing the operators to test the synchronization of the beams and giving the experiments their first chance to look for proton-proton collisions. With just one bunch of particles circulating in each direction, the beams can be made to cross in up to two places in the ring. From early in the afternoon, the beams were made to cross at points 1 and 5, home to the ATLAS and CMS detectors, both of which were on the look out for collisions. Later, beams crossed at points 2 and 8, ALICE and LHCb.
“It’s a great achievement to have come this far in so short a time,” said CERN1Director General Rolf Heuer. “But we need to keep a sense of perspective – there’s still much to do before we can start the LHC physics programme.”
Beams were first tuned to produce collisions in the ATLAS detector, which recorded its first candidate for collisions at 14:22 this afternoon. Later, the beams were optimised for CMS. In the evening, ALICE had the first optimization, followed by LHCb.
“This is great news, the start of a fantastic era of physics and hopefully discoveries after 20 years' work by the international community to build a machine and detectors of unprecedented complexity and performance," said ATLAS spokesperson, Fabiola Gianotti.
“The events so far mark the start of the second half of this incredible voyage of discovery of the secrets of nature,” said CMS spokesperson Tejinder Virdee.
“It was standing room only in the ALICE control room and cheers erupted with the first collisions” said ALICE spokesperson Jurgen Schukraft. “This is simply tremendous.”
“The tracks we’re seeing are beautiful,” said LHCb spokesperson Andrei Golutvin, “we’re all ready for serious data taking in a few days time.”
These developments come just three days after the LHC restart, demonstrating the excellent performance of the beam control system. Since the start-up, the operators have been circulating beams around the ring alternately in one direction and then the other at the injection energy of 450 GeV. The beam lifetime has gradually been increased to 10 hours, and today beams have been circulating simultaneously in both directions, still at the injection energy.
Next on the schedule is an intense commissioning phase aimed at increasing the beam intensity and accelerating the beams. All being well, by Christmas, the LHC should reach 1.2 TeV per beam, and have provided good quantities of collision data for the experiments’ calibrations.
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So... they're running single bunches each way? Does anyone know how long it will be before they run the full beams? Until then they're not going to get much in the way of results, because they're only using ~1/2800th of the possible beam current at the collision point.
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They'll probably be ramping up performance as they pass various checkpoints; the last thing they want is a repeat of last year's disaster.Simon_Jester wrote:So... they're running single bunches each way? Does anyone know how long it will be before they run the full beams? Until then they're not going to get much in the way of results, because they're only using ~1/2800th of the possible beam current at the collision point.
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Yeah. Quenching superconductors are a bitch, especially when you've got a high megajoule range beam running round the pipe.
I just hope they've improved their mean time to failure enough to be worthwhile; maybe they were just badly unlucky last time.
I just hope they've improved their mean time to failure enough to be worthwhile; maybe they were just badly unlucky last time.
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The damage to the magnets was quite extensive, based on pictures I saw. The electric arcs literally tore through them.
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It wasn't bad luck, it was faulty connections and a faulty He release failsafe.Simon_Jester wrote:I just hope they've improved their mean time to failure enough to be worthwhile; maybe they were just badly unlucky last time.
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That's the impression I got from the article as well -- they're going to slowly build the protons up to speed, checking and double-checking safeties before taking it up to the next level.phongn wrote:They'll probably be ramping up performance as they pass various checkpoints; the last thing they want is a repeat of last year's disaster.Simon_Jester wrote:So... they're running single bunches each way? Does anyone know how long it will be before they run the full beams? Until then they're not going to get much in the way of results, because they're only using ~1/2800th of the possible beam current at the collision point.
Still, they are running 'low-speed' collisions between the streams, calibrating the various detectors and getting great results. I'm assuming we'll soon be seeing 'pictures' of the collisions as the data is complied for release. Perhaps if they'd done this slow warm-up the first go-round, they could have identified the bad solder before it broke.
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I have a couple thumbnails showing some collision visualizations in the CMS and ATLAS detectors in the OP. I'm not too familiar with how ATLAS does things, but that first picture is Fireworks, one of the CMS visualization tools - and that's what the output of their detector "looks" like.LadyTevar wrote:Still, they are running 'low-speed' collisions between the streams, calibrating the various detectors and getting great results. I'm assuming we'll soon be seeing 'pictures' of the collisions as the data is complied for release.
They were doing low-energy tests early on but you still need quite a bit of current to drive these machines.Perhaps if they'd done this slow warm-up the first go-round, they could have identified the bad solder before it broke.
Well, those jerks are aiming for 1.2 TeV in order to surpass Tevatron's 0.98 TeV outputSometimes, you don't need to crank it to 11 the first run
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Cue fresh wailing from the LHC disaster crowd. It's amusing how they use the most scare-mongering names possible even on their legal petitions, i.e. 'god machine' and 'experimental subnuclear reactor'.
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As it happens, the accelerator community has some proposals for using accelerators to drive nuclear fission and fusion reactorsStarglider wrote:Cue fresh wailing from the LHC disaster crowd. It's amusing how they use the most scare-mongering names possible even on their legal petitions, i.e. 'god machine' and 'experimental subnuclear reactor'.
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Yes, but with ion beams, not proton beams. They should be over at Brookhaven whining there, not in Switzerland...
Well, the good news then is that they fixed a problem. The bad news is that the number of other problems is not estimable in advance, so hopes about the mean time to failure are still just that: hopes.phongn wrote:It wasn't bad luck, it was faulty connections and a faulty He release failsafe.Simon_Jester wrote:I just hope they've improved their mean time to failure enough to be worthwhile; maybe they were just badly unlucky last time.
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There's a design for a subcritical fission reactor that uses a 10MW proton beam, actually.Simon_Jester wrote:Yes, but with ion beams, not proton beams. They should be over at Brookhaven whining there, not in Switzerland...
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It seems to me a 'subnuclear reactor' would be LESS scary than a regular one.
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Thorea's design is a personal favourite, this being if ns-FFAGs are all they're cracked up to be. We'll find out in a couple of years anyway.phongn wrote:There's a design for a subcritical fission reactor that uses a 10MW proton beam, actually.
Good for CERN, a publicity boost if nothing else.
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