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The Liberal Party is in turmoil with the resignations of five frontbenchers from their portfolios this afternoon in protest against the emissions trading scheme.

Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirabella, Tony Smith and Senators Nick Minchin and Eric Abetz have all quit their portfolios because they cannot vote for the legislation.

Senate whip Stephen Parry has also relinquished his position.

The mass resignations will put huge pressure on Malcolm Turnbull's leadership after only just surviving a push for a spill yesterday.

The party whip had earlier instructed MPs and Senators not to leave the building but it is understood they have now been released.

The resignations began this afternoon after Mr Abbott and Senator Minchin confronted Mr Turnbull, urging him to put off a vote on the scheme until February.

Mr Turnbull refused so Mr Abbott handed in his resignation.

"This is a very difficult decision for me. I've always regarded myself as a very loyal party man," he said.

Mr Abbott has confirmed he will not challenge Mr Turnbull for the leadership.

But when asked if he would stand if the position became vacant he replied: "I can't say what might happen in the future but as far as I'm concerned this is a matter about policy."

Mr Abbott says he urged Mr Turnbull to reconsider his position after being inundated with calls and emails from voters.

"The phone lines have been in meltdown with people saying that the Liberal Party would not be doing its job as an Opposition simply to pass this thing without the scrutiny that people calling my office think it demands," he said.

After Mr Abbott announced his resignation, news that the other four had also quit quickly followed.

The party's emissions trading spokesman, Ian Macfarlane, is now in Mr Turnbull's office.

As the revolt unfolds in Parliament House sources say the Government has offered to gag debate on the ETS legislation, which is now underway, in order to bring on a vote.

It is understood that the offer is being considered but it is thought such a move would be unlikely to succeed.

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The Senate is due to sit until Monday to vote on the scheme and Senators Minchin, Abetz and Parry say they will stay in their positions until then.

A special meeting of Liberal senators is now under way.

The Opposition's spokeswoman for early childhood and women, Ms Mirabella, says she also cannot support the scheme.

She says she decided to resign after the party room meeting on the ETS legislation "left a bitter taste in my mouth".

"It's not a decision that you take lightly," she told Sky News.

But Ms Mirabella denies the mass resignations essentially amount to a desertion of Mr Turnbull.

"It's not a matter of desertion. It's a matter of not being able to vote for bills that are so bad under any measurement," she said.

And she conceded she has never witnessed such extraordinary scenes during her time in Parliament.

"Quite frankly I hope not to experience another week like this," she said.

Yesterday Senators Mitch Fifield, Mathias Cormann and Brett Mason also offered to resign from their frontbench positions.
Hopefully some of the Australians might be able to shed some light on these shennanigans. From what I gather, certain members of the Liberal Party have decided that they want to force the government into a double-dissolution election, thus removing all of the Liberals who occupy swing seats (i.e. liberals and moderates), and assuring a proper level of Howard-worshipping unity in the party by reducing the party to those members who are in safe seats (conservatives), and are annoyed that Turnbull is ruining this plan with his hippy-peacenik "I wanna save the environment and negotiate and stuff" attitude, the fucking hippy. Or something like that. Really, I'm not too sure. It's entirely possible that they're just insane.

This is actually the reason why I never particularly blamed Turnbull himself for the Liberal Party being crap: I always had a feeling that if he actually tried to push any of his policies, then something like this would happen.

As for what I think the result will be: I reckon that Turnbull will lose the leadership challenge, and hopefully his successor will be Hockey and not Abbott (not saying I like Hockey, but a sack of potatoes would be better than Abbott). In any case, it will mean that the ETS will fall through, and there's a chance that Labor will take the opportunity for a double dissolution election, which will give Labor and the Greens a shitload of seats, Xenophon two seats (but only one bottom!) and leave the Liberals with a few scraps of 100% recycled toilet paper.

It would be pretty awesome to see Turnbull try to get the ETS bill forced through the Senate on Monday's sitting, just before the leadership thing, which would be one of the most dramatic ways to see a political party self-destruct ever, but I somehow doubt that would happen.
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The Liberals are in disarray. Malcolm Turnbull showed himself to be a mediocre leader with the "Ute gate" affair and conservatives in his party smell blood over the ETS. Of note is Western Australia member Wilson "iron bar" Tuckey, who generated the e-mail calling for Turnbull to step down. The iron bar was what he used to beat up Aboriginals, being a racist cunt along with most of the WA Liberals, who defiantly refused to back Kevin Rudd's apologies to the stolen generation. Strangely they don't seem to object to Kevin Rudd apologising for the treatment of WHITE British orphans who came to Australia, but no they aren't racist, .. they are just, they just, ah fuck it, they are wankers and makes me embarrassed to live there.

Any way, its not surprising given the anti science stance of conservatives in generally, a lot of Liberals are most probably climate change deniers, using such catch phrases as "the science is undetermined". That explains their insanity. Even the world's biggest polluter China, doesn't deny climate change (they just think the developed world should shoulder a bigger burden, how big will be determined in the future). The climate change deniers are also aided an abetted by Family First Senator Steven Fielding who can't tell the difference between PHYSICAL and FISCAL policy, er he means fisKal policy, and hides behind his learning disability which doesn't stop his homophobic views. Hey at least Fielding as an excuse why he doesn't grasp climate change, he has a learning disability.

Now that I explain the players in the ETS debate lets get onto how the Liberals will react. Initially they had Kevin 10 (what is this, a parody of Ben 10) Andrews throw his hat into the ring. Not content with throwing an Indian doctor into jail and revoking his visa on trumped up charges which were thrown out of court this joke of a politician challenged Turnbull and was narrowly defeated. After initially pledging support to Turnbull, Hockey and Abbott have now tipped their hand.

The Liberals are a divided party with the conservatives and more moderates coming to a head. There are even members of the moderates who are climate change deniers, but at least understand that Australians now (as opposed to when I was a kid) want something to be done about global warming, and are willing to come up with some plan (Source : Today's West Australian). Thus the Liberals have members who can be perhaps reasoned with, while we have die hard Howard like members (with WA being a strong source, the only state which expanded their number of Liberal seats in the humiliation of 2007) stubbornly fighting on.

I predict Turnbull will survive this motion, but he will be deposed before the next election. This of course will give the new Liberal leader less time to prepare for Kevin Rudd who despite some of his stupid actions has shown himself to be a canny politician like John Howard, without having to resort to the bullshit racist stuff Howard used. I can't see how Liberals consisting of Turnbull (assuming my prediction is wrong and he remains) or Abbott (in the event he doesn't challenge but will put his hand in if the leadership position remains vacant) can win.

Turnbull can't because he is a crap leader who can't rein in his own party, not to mention has a credibility problem after "Utegate". Abbott doesn't seem that popular, and likes to play the religious card. One only has to point out that Rudd also likes doing it, and unlike self righteous Abbott, the worse Rudd did was enter a strip club. While drunk. That leaves Hockey, who might present a challenge.

The other issue is, how do these conservatives expect to get to become the dominant force in the Liberals. At present there are moderates who claim to support the concept of an ETS but dislike how Turnbull went about the issue. This seems to me to be like saying I agree with what Darth Wong is saying on his site, but I don't like the rude way he says it. :lol: That of course is too bad. Turnbull had to rein them in and he would be an even more mediocre leader (although not necessarily a bad politician) if he didn't attempt to. I can't see how the conservatives will get the numbers right now. However... if they went to the polls I would expect the Liberals to be decimated except for die hard strongholds, like WA, so maybe thats their end game.

So I see Kevin 07 becoming Kevin 10.
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I'm not so sure I necessarily agree with you that Turnbull's a shit politician. To me, it seems as though he's just been dealt a shit hand at the moment: in order to maintain a semblance of relevance in the modern political climate, they have to become more liberal, but people like Abbott and Andrews are not going to be changing their minds about anything any time soon. Turnbull pretty much has to change the entire culture of the Liberal Party, which is by no means an easy task. Remember, he only won the last leadership vote by one vote, so it's not like his position is secure.

Granted, I could be proven wrong, but at the moment I think the jury's still out.
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I bet Brendan Nelson is snickering somewhere in Europe right now...

Still, the 'Liberal' party is doing their very best in full view of the Australian public to show that they are at the core, a bunch of backwards right wing morons who STILL don't realize they were voted out at the last election. I feel somewhat sorry for Turnbull, he is a much more center-left person then most of the rest of his party and he honestly DOES think Climate change is a very big problem and action needs to be taken, but he is the one eyed man in the land of the blind...and the blind want to shoot their king.
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Lusankya wrote:I'm not so sure I necessarily agree with you that Turnbull's a shit politician. To me, it seems as though he's just been dealt a shit hand at the moment: in order to maintain a semblance of relevance in the modern political climate, they have to become more liberal, but people like Abbott and Andrews are not going to be changing their minds about anything any time soon. Turnbull pretty much has to change the entire culture of the Liberal Party, which is by no means an easy task. Remember, he only won the last leadership vote by one vote, so it's not like his position is secure.

Granted, I could be proven wrong, but at the moment I think the jury's still out.
I don't doubt Turnbull had been dealt a shit hand. But he has been outmanouvred by Rudd on most occasions eg Utegate, stimulus package when the coalition were supporting him. The reason he looks so bad now is he is outmanouvred by Rudd when almost half his party don't support him. In fact the only thing which he might have looked good on was the asylum seeker issue, however he has lost a bit of traction when the asylum seekers agreed to step off the Oceanic Viking peacefully.

Oh, and Chris is right. Somewhere Brendon Nelson is snickering. Just ignore the fact he is an even worse leader than Turnbull.
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Turnbull is to the left of Rudd. He's leading a party room that is now to the right not only of the current government but most of the population. A population that saw nearly 200 people die in fires brought on by unprecedented weather conditions, faces near-universal water restrictions and is being told of almost continuous drought believes in climate change, even if the reasons for all these environmental changes are more complex than 'lol polar ice caps melting'. When confronted with this, Andrew Bolt on PM last night dismissed it thus: the Libs think they're going to get smashed next year, they may as well die whilst fighting for what they believe is right. It's fucking comical. Howard shifted the entire party rightwards during his tenure. The center has shifted back left but the Libs are too blinkered to follow. As someone writing for Crikey pointed out, what is happening now is not unlike what happened to John Major in the early '90s and John McCain last year. The public has shifted, the leadership recognises this, the party won't. Wilson Tuckey has been trying all the old Howard tricks, not only painting global warming as a left-wing conspiracy that will rob good honest Strayans of jobs but also playing up boat people as terrorists. Except nearly a decade on from Tampa, the electorate has become more sophisticated. The base is going wild but the center doesn't give a fuck.

Turnbull won't survive: there's no way he can. He only narrowly won the spill on Thursday; he offered reconciliation but in the conservatives mind, compromise equalled 'my way or the highway'. Turnbull recognises that, even though the ETS is clearly a rubbish piece of legislation, the public is demanding action. On top of that, failing to pass it gives the government the trigger for a double dissolution just as the Libs are at their lowest eb. The conservatives don't give a damn, they're too ideologically hidebound to recognise how politically suicide their position is. In the space of 24 hours the narrow margin Turnbull had during the spill has evaporated, his closest remaining allies have told him to go and Abbott et al have come out publically and told him to go. The mad monk has more traction than wingnuts like Tuckey. The Liberal Party is designed in a way that demands a strong leader. They need one now and Turnbull ain't it - but neither is anyone else waiting in the wings. Ain't life grand?
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It's a fucking shambles. Without an effective opposition we're going to see a Labor majority in both the House of Reps and Senate. And I'm not talking about a Greens/friendly party hold the balance of power situation... I'm talking about total fucking dominance.

Without the far-Right Howard-ites behind him, Turnbull's position has become untenable. Someone needs to step up and take the firing squad at dawn that this election will be for the Liberals (short of Kevin being found to have a number of adopted Asian children in a hidden gay relationship with a Muslim boatperson which he consumates on the wicket at the MCG at the Boxing Day Test), then have the party sit down in the corner and think for a long time as to whether they want to drag out hte back and shoot the Wilson Tuckey's or the Malcom Turnbull's of the party. Maybe Wilson and his fellows can go off and be bug-fuck crazy with Barnaby Joyce and the Nationals and go and form the National Front For Rich White Landowners or something.

The way it's going is we get to find out who out of Labor and Liberal will win a race to the Right at the next election. Climate Change isn't going to be the key issue. People will want to say it is, but like everything else in Australian politics it will come back to whether or not people really want a White Australia Policy or a "Just mostly" White Australia Policy, where it's OK for them to come here, but only if they don't actually come to Australia.
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weemadando wrote:Maybe Wilson and his fellows can go off and be bug-fuck crazy with Barnaby Joyce and the Nationals and go and form the National Front For Rich White Landowners or something.
That would be insane: like some kind of bizzarro version of the Democrats.

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I was talking about this with my cousin last night, and he reckons that Turnbull will survive the spill, because Hockey's the only other viable leadership contender (Abbott may think he is, but the sane members of the party know that he's unelectable), and is behind Turnbull enough that he won't go against him as leader. Tuckey also seems to be sensible enough to realise that the Liberal leadership is not something that he wants right now.

He (my cousin) also thinks that the best thing that Turnbull could do after the spill is refuse to reinstate the Old Liberals to the front bench and strongly suggest that they choose not to run for preselection next year. If that happens, then we could probably look back on this debacle as some necessary growing pains for the Liberal Party as the New Liberals assert their dominance. I'm not convinced that my cousin's correct, but he's pretty cluey when it comes to things like this, so I'm not going to rule it out completely.
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I wouldn't shed a tear for having those frontbenchers never being in a position of power.

Well maybe, but it would be tears of joy.
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Amusingly, Tuckey and Joyce hate each other. Tuckey is convinced the Nats are devoted to winning his seat and the best thing Joyce could say about him is 'Well, no, I wouldn't describe him as mad'. About the only thing they share in common is a skepticism on climate change, and even then there's some radical differences: Tuckey thinks there's a conspiracy brewing in an ivory tower to hurt STRAYANS, Joyce thinks his constituents are going to be hurt by the legislation.
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weemadando wrote:It's a fucking shambles. Without an effective opposition we're going to see a Labor majority in both the House of Reps and Senate. And I'm not talking about a Greens/friendly party hold the balance of power situation... I'm talking about total fucking dominance.
It's scaring the crap out of myself and others in the still nascent Pirate Party. The idea that a 2nd term Rudd government may very well have the numbers to easily ram through its internet filtering, amongst other things, is just the worst possible scenario for us.

I do have to wonder, how much of this is political opportunism by blind idiots who want the Liberal leadership, and how much of it is Liberal members who actually ideologically oppose climate change measures? It does seem to be more of the former than the latter, at least with Abbot, but I'm quickly getting cynical about anyone who wants to put the legislation into a committee.
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Personally, I'd be more worried about Labor completely abolishing the Senate if they gain control of both houses, and giving us Rudd Bjelke-Petersen.
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it just gets more confusing
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November 30, 2009 - 7:54PM


Liberal Tony Abbott says he will throw his hat into the ring against Malcolm Turnbull tomorrow whether or not Joe Hockey is a contender for the liberal leadership.

Mr Abbott said after a day of discussions with Mr Hockey, who is in favour of a free vote on the emissions trading scheme, he had decided he needed to challenge whoever may be standing at the Liberal party room meeting.

The latest bombshell throws yet more confusion into the leadership debacle.

Mr Abbott had always said he would stand aside if Mr Hockey contested the leadership, but that position has changed because the shadow treasurer isn’t willing to adopt the hard line on the ETS.

Mr Abbott addressed reporters at Parliament House.‘‘I respect Joe’s position, I think that if Joe wants to run for leader on the basis of a free vote he is entitled to do so,’’ Mr Abbott said.

‘‘But ...it is just not possible for a credible party to have a free vote.’’

Mr Turnbull is refusing to step aside as federal Liberal leader, saying he will contest a leadership contest if a spill vote is passed.

‘‘I will be standing tomorrow,’’ he told reporters in Canberra.

Peter Hartcher: Australia's first climate change martyr

A meeting of key moderates and conservatives is nutting out a strategy for the Liberal Party ahead of tomorrow's anticipated leadership spill.

Federal Liberal Party director Brian Loughnane is locked in talks in Joe Hockey's office with Greg Hunt, Christopher Pyne, Andrew Robb and Mr Hockey, as well as members of the party's right - Nick Minchin, Julie Bishop, Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton. Malcolm Turnbull was not at the meeting.

Earlier, Mr Turnbull spent nearly an hour inside his Parliament House office with Joe Hockey, the man most expect to be the party’s new leader if tomorrow's meeting votes for a spill.

But Mr Turnbull said Mr Hockey would support him tomorrow by voting against a leadership spill.

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"He would support me tomorrow in the spill,’’ Mr Turnbull said Mr Hockey told him. ‘‘He told me that he’d vote against a spill.’’

But, asked whether that meant Mr Hockey wouldn’t run against him if there was a spill, the Opposition Leader told reporters they would have to ask Mr Hockey.

"I’m not going to run a commentary on Mr Hockey, I’ll leave that to you."

He said Mr Hockey still supported him in terms of his climate change strategy and the deal the Coalition negotiated with the Government to pass legislation setting up the carbon pollution reduction scheme.

‘‘Joe is on the record regularly, frequently ... in multimedia form supporting the position of the shadow cabinet,’’ he said.

‘‘I’m not going to go into the conversation we had with Mr Hockey, but as far as I’m aware he hasn’t changed his mind.

‘‘It is manifestly in the interests for Australia to take action to cut its CO2 emissions.’’

He added: "The real difficulty that we face as a party is that the Australian people overwhelmingly expect their political leaders to take action on climate change."

"Leave me alone"

Earlier he pleaded with the media to leave him and his family alone after he was chased down the corridors of Parliament House following a meeting with Mr Hockey.

He described Mr Hockey a close friend and ‘‘a very good man’’.

‘‘We talk a lot, we have very similar views on most issues,’’ he told a jostling media scrum. ‘‘Our families are very close, he’s a very good friend of mine, he’s a good man.’’

He told reporters that, if they wanted to know what had been discussed with Mr Hockey, they should ask him.

After the meeting with Mr Turnbull, Mr Hockey emerged from his Parliament House office for a cup of coffee and ‘‘a little bit of fresh air’’ but told reporters that he wouldn’t be enlightening them on party affairs at the moment.

Senior Liberal MP Tony Abbott visited the party’s deputy leader Julie Bishop earlier in the day.

Mr Abbott confirmed he intended to contest a leadership ballot during a Liberal Party meeting scheduled for 9am tomorrow, but has said he would stand aside if Mr Hockey threw his hat in the ring.

Ms Bishop wandered in and out of her office in the company of Sophie Mirabella, one of more than a dozen Liberals who quit key roles last week.

Ms Bishop would not comment on her meeting with Mr Abbott.

Michael Johnson, one of the group who quit their portfolios last week, said he had it on good authority from his colleagues that Mr Hockey and Peter Dutton would be running as a ticket tomorrow.

He said this would re-energise the Liberal Party.

Gross disloyalty

Meanwhile, former opposition leader John Hewson has described as "gross disloyalty" moves against Mr Turnbull.

Mr Hewson, rolled as party leader in 1994, also warned Mr Hockey that he was in danger of terminating his political career early if he chose to contest a leadership ballot tomorrow.

"It's gross disloyalty in normal terms," Dr Hewson said of internal opposition to Mr Turnbull.

"It's a tragedy when you burn off people of the standing of Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull," he told ABC Television today.

Dr Hewson is surprised that climate change has caused such disunity in the Liberal Party, given the global community sees it as the issue of the century.

What is the ETS?

"It's rather odd in those circumstances to be stepping backwards so far and moving to the right," he said, adding that the Liberal Party would become politically irrelevant if did not come out with a substantive response to climate change.

On Mr Hockey's possible elevation as leader, Dr Hewson said: "He's making a decision to terminate his political career early."

Mr Abbott, the only declared challenger, said he was not overly confident of his chances in tomorrow's leadership ballot.

‘‘I’m still talking patiently and carefully to all of my colleagues,’’ he told reporters today.

At least two Liberals, Mr Macfarlane, the chief climate change negotiator, and senator Gary Humphries, declared they were in Mr Turnbull’s corner.

But Howard government foreign minister Alexander Downer said he thought Mr Hockey would be a good choice.

‘‘He was a very good minister and handled some difficult issues. He’s a charming guy as you can see just from watching him on television, a very entertaining and amusing person, a very decent person,’’ Mr Downer told Fairfax Radio.

‘‘I think if he does become the leader he would be a very interesting choice.’’

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If Hockey runs it might split the moderate vote, which means we can get the honour of having Tony Abbott in opposition. Hey, wasn't Abbott the guy who laid into Rudd for walking into a strip club, yet at the same time this staunch Catholic had already have pre-martial sex and at one stage thought his son was an ABC cameraman?
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It doesn't necessarily mean a split vote: Turnbull won't necessarily run for leader again if he loses the spill, and Hockey says that he'll support Turnbull in the spill. It's what will happen in the following leadership vote that's really up for questioning. What it seems to look like is that the spill will be about Turnbull, but then if it succeeds, the following vote will not be on the leadership, but rather on the question of "Do you accept Hockey's compromise of basically making the ETS legislation a conscience vote, or are you a dickhead like Tony Abbott?" with the winner of that vote getting the "reward" of becoming Liberal leader.

If it comes down to a conscience vote, that'll actually be interesting for the legislation, because most of the opposition seems to be coming from the Upper House, which will mean that the Liberals won't necessarily get the 7 votes required to pass the legislation. Having at least one Liberal vote, though, means that Labor will be able to bypass Fielding and be able to negotiate with Xenophon and the Greens. The Greens haven't really been negotiating much since they're pretty much irrelevant in this debate, but that may change if they can actually get some measurable changes to the bill, and Xenophon can be bought off by promising reduced water allocations to irrigators in the Murray-Darling Basin, extra funds of various natures being sent towards SA and any legislation that looks like it might be tangentially related to reducing the impact of gambling on anything.
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I know that this will look like a double post, but I've done some poking around:
news.com.au wrote:Turnbull will give way to Hockey - MP
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MALCOLM Turnbull was unlikely to go head to head with Joe Hockey in a vote for the Liberal leadership, instead opting to step aside at the last minute at Tuesday's meeting, a federal MP says.
Michael Johnson, who resigned as opposition whip last week, believes Mr Turnbull will decline to contest the leadership if the spill motion to hold the vote is successful.

"Malcolm will probably step aside at that point,'' Mr Johnson told Sky News today.

"Malcolm will dig his heels in until that spill vote is carried and at that point ... he will probably realise that the writing is on the wall.''

Mr Hockey told Mr Turnbull, a fellow Liberal moderate on Monday, he would not support a spill motion in the party room meeting scheduled for 9am (AEDT) today.

But the Opposition treasury spokesman has not ruled out contesting the leadership if the spill motion succeeds.

Urging Mr Hockey to stand, Mr Johnson said his colleague commanded the affection and respect of the Liberal party room.

"This time, we need a healing figure like him and he will do that marvellously.''
So what it looks like is that Hockey will support Turnbull in the leadership spill, and then if the spill is successful, then Turnbull will step aside gracefully for Hockey, and Hockey will likely become the new leader. Further poking around has indicated that at least 12 senators will vote for the ETS legislation unless instructed otherwise by the party leadership (i.e. in the event of an Abbott victory), which means that assuming the votes are could go either way, there's a 75% change of the ETS legislation going through - probably higher, since in a straight race between Hockey and Abbott, the smart money's on Hockey.

This whole mess is saying one promising thing about the Liberals, which is that it seems that the New Liberals are looking more or less united. This means that unlike the mess in my state Liberal Party (and most other State Liberal parties, it would seem), the Federal Liberals haven't devolved into a complete mess of howling baboons: rather, the is a single split between the left and right factions of the party. That's actually rather promising for the future of the party, especially since the left seems to be on the up at the moment, though it does assume that the party doesn't spontaneously combust, which is no guarantee at the moment.
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Abbott won the spill. Holy shit, this is going to be a massacre.
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As gleefully happy as I am to see the Liberals die, this really doesn't bode well...
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Yeah I guess that people wanted a second term of Rudd and to lose more seats.
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I was in the car when I heard the news, and I actually facepalmed.

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Well, assuming that I'll have a district to vote in next election, I suppose I'll just have to choose "everyone not in the major parties" as my selections for the upper house. No fucking way do I want Labor to have an absolute majority in the upper house. You'd have more of a political future trying to fight against the CCP in China than you would if you were a Labor Minister who wanted to vote against the party. The whole country is going to turn into Queensland.

Fucking hell.
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It looks like not everyone in the Liberal Party is happy with the outcome
news.com.au wrote:TONY Abbott has promised a fight on climate change after rolling Malcolm Turnbull to take over the Liberal leadership.

Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull and Joe Hockey contested a three-way spill at a special partyroom meeting in Parliament this morning. Mr Abbott won by a single vote, 42-41.

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Mr Turnbull has said the party's backflip was "disappointing". "I'm disappointed by the result ... (and) disappointed that there has been a pretty dramatic change in policy," he said after his loss.

He said he would go to the backbench, but would take time to decide if he would contest the next election.

He wished Mr Abbott well in his position, saying the new leader "has a challenge" ahead of him. One unnamed moderate Liberal MP, quoted by AAP, put it less tactfully, saying the party had "f...ed ourselves over''.

Meanwhile it has been reported that one of the votes in the leadership ballot was a donkey vote, which is staggering in such an important ballot and especially one ultimately decided by the slimmest margin.
The last few leadership votes are beginning to suggest that the Liberals should really just split into two parties. And maybe grow up as well.
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I really get the feeling that after Hockey was dumped in the first round a lot of his supporters decided to vote for Abbott as a "well, let's see how far you get with these ideas fuck-faces" move.

Really, I think Hockey and Turnbull's paths are the only way for the Liberal's to move forward. They're batshit crazy angle is being edged out by actual religious fundamentalist parties and the crazed redneck vote swings with whoever is in power and doling out welfare bonuses. And let's face it - all people have to be reminded of is that Rudd gave them 900 bucks and that's them ready to go to the ballot box. Especially against a vocally Catholic Howardite like Abbott.

So, Kevin Bjelke-Pederson it is. Fucking woo.
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I hope that the Liberal party is now clapping themselves on the back for committing suicide at the next election. Although Abbot only won by a single vote didn't he? Ugh, this is painful.
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Stofsk wrote:I hope that the Liberal party is now clapping themselves on the back for committing suicide at the next election. Although Abbot only won by a single vote didn't he? Ugh, this is painful.
Well, as one Liberal in the article said:
One unnamed moderate Liberal MP, quoted by AAP, put it less tactfully, saying the party had "f...ed ourselves over''.
It is not a happy party.
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When the media has John Hewson giving the Liberals advice, you know they're fucked. And Abbott? Is it a cunning ploy to lose and let Rudd ruin the country or is it a triumph of orthodoxy over electability?

I'm not sure if the most blinkered Howard-worshippers I know would vote for Abbott.
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