SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

[Steve]

Uh, Wilkens? The Majestuoso is about 5,000 tons too heavy for a pre-game laid ship. In fact, strictly speaking it's too big period for any starting game slips, which are limited to 40-55,000 tons, though I wouldn't really quibble over 88 tons.

If you lay them this game year I'd accept it, my Defiant Fast Battleship is only 1,000 tons lighter.

Oh, and, I'm curious about your engine plant and your use of AA. With the latter, it looks like you're using Bofors and Oerlikons a tad... early. With the former, I'm not sure that option is intended for capital ships but torpedo boats.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Erm.. I would point out that the QF2 pounder pom poms were also 40mm caliber.

[Thanas]

Uh, Wilkens? The Majestuoso is about 5,000 tons too heavy for a pre-game laid ship. In fact, strictly speaking it's too big period for any starting game slips, which are limited to 40-55,000 tons, though I wouldn't really quibble over 88 tons.

If you lay them this game year I'd accept it, my Defiant Fast Battleship is only 1,000 tons lighter.

Wait wait....I thought the size limit was:

ships entering service in 1925: 50kt
1926: 51 kt
1927: 52 kt
1928: 53 kt
1929: 54 kt
1930: 55 kt

Are we now jumping straight to 55 kt in 1928? I thought these limits were set in stone....

A note. Though I have not posted my OOB in its full entirety, I would expect a cruiser squadron, along with a couple of destroyer squadrons, and some minesweepers/layers, as well as maybe one or two battleships as flagships to be based at Riau/Singapore/Java at the least.

Legio X Javanopolis is also the main legion in the region to guard it.

Javanopolis is a really bad name for a legion. The number X also makes no sense unless it was the tenth legion raised there or the tenth legion existing at that time.

Might I suggest something like Legio I Javica?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Javanopolis is a really bad name for a legion. The number X also makes no sense unless it was the tenth legion raised there or the tenth legion existing at that time.

Might I suggest something like Legio I Javica?

Well, I originally intended this Legion to be raised from home and sent to Java to defend the place.

I suppose Javica sounds nicer, though the city it's defending is Javanopolis (City of Java I guess?).

[Thanas]

Ah, okay. Javanopolis makes more sense then, but the number should be much higher. X indicates it is one of the oldest legions of the empire.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Ah, okay. Javanopolis makes more sense then, but the number should be much higher. X indicates it is one of the oldest legions of the empire.

While that is true, ah.. you might note that I only have 10 miserable legions, each with 3 divisions (consisting one 1 infantry division, one armored recon, maybe an armored brigade for Scholae Palatinae divisions, and cavalry brigade) and additional supporting brigades. Each legion is 19-22 brigade strong.

[Thanas]

Ah, yeah, I remember that we talked about this. Yeah, that makes more sense in that context (it's not like I have any right to tell you how to name your units anyway )

[Steve]

I was contemplating such a thing, Thanas, but then it became clear to me that a thousand tons per year is too low a curve for real "progress" in a design.

That said, nobody can lay a ship over 55ktons before 1927 anyway as nobody has the slips for them, and I'll veto any ship that "jumps" too high from other capital vessels.

[K. A. Pital]

Blam. Beowulf mined the waterways - unsuspecting Soviet barge blows up - war precedent.

WAR, WAR, WAR

Slightly modified the assault - mentioned reserve divisions, et cetera. Map will be on Monday. More airplanes added to South assault (+ fighters), also, they sortied to bomb forts on the border.

[Norseman]

I suppose this means I should write up the post where I send out some volunteers?

EDIT: BTW my *army* OoB is pretty mcuh done I think, what units would you be most interested in?

[loomer]

The People's Republic will send support to Russia, of course.

...does it count as support when its two fourteen year olds with black powder rifles and donkeys?

[CmdrWilkens]

Start date edited to reflect laying in Q1 1925. Steve I already sent you over some other notes via PM and if you really want I'll shave the 88 tons somewhere. Also the DP guns (they are intended to essentially be Vickers QF 2pdr Mark II) is well within the right service time since the Hood included 24 of them and she was in service back in 1920.

Also the Wiki has the updated data, I shaved a couple half inches and actually dropped the Standard Disp under 55 kt but switched back to Armoured Deck instead of box over machinery/magazines

[Norseman]

I'd like to point out that my alternative to what I did was to sit still while an enemy battlefleet patrolled my coast with impunity, that was not really a good option either.

[loomer]

I do hope Shep doesn't plan to liberate Afghanis from Communism. What with being capitalists.

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Uh, not really. They're just not rabidly anti-communist, since that'd be a death sentence. The communist regime fell back in 1903, and took pretty much all of the actual commies in the PRA with it.

[MKSheppard]

I do hope Shep doesn't plan to liberate Afghanis from Communism. What with being capitalists.

Wasn't the player playing Afghan planning to do them as a communist leaning aligned state with the uSSR?

[Steve]

Loomer is the Afghan player, Sheppo.

For forgetting that, I shall put you in... the Cone of Shame!

[Norade]

Is 53.6kt too heavy to be laid Q1 1926?

[Steve]

No. But I'm somewhat... perturbed by your use of the program exploit to avoid paying extra weight for a superfiring turret.

[Ma Deuce]

Also the DP guns (they are intended to essentially be Vickers QF 2pdr Mark II) is well within the right service time since the Hood included 24 of them and she was in service back in 1920.

Hood didn't have any 2-pounders until the '30s though. AFAIK, her only AA armament in this time period was four 4-inch/45 HA guns.

[Norade]

No. But I'm somewhat... perturbed by your use of the program exploit to avoid paying extra weight for a superfiring turret.

What? That wasn't my intention at all, I have my one gun on a raised mount for and the other aft. I used it mainly as most of my designs have guns fore and aft and it makes things easy to keep track of.

[Steve]

What I mean is, you can have two turrets fore and one aft within 1 group. Like such:

3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring


You, instead, posted this:


2 x Triple mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
1 raised mount
1 x Triple mount on centreline, aft deck centre

Means the same thing, but because of the way SpringSharp works (since it takes into account 19th Century stuff too before the advent of superfiring, it doesn't treat your raised forward turret as a superfiring one and thus you get a weight saving.

[Norade]

Ah, I never knew that. I just figured that what I was doing was a more accurate way of having placing my guns. I'll fix that right away.

Hmm, when I fixed it I gained extra strength to play with and my recoil went down. I'm not complaining, but are you sure you're right when speaking of the latest beta versions?

[Steve]

Might be how your guns were arranged that saved you the weight. Just have it like mine is shown. Centerline ends fore >= Aft. If it saves you weight, well, that's awesome. A bit curious though, it usually costs more weight.

[Norade]

I see what I did to make myself think I saved weight I had my composite score at 1.04 to start and it went down to 1.03 and I thought it went up from 1.00. It all makes sense now.

[Steve]

A word of warning, Lascaris: Do not presume too much on the history of Uruguay. MoP must sign off on everything.