SDN World 3 Commentary Thread I

[Thanas]

German communist and German nationalist volunteers have left for Russia/Manchuria.

Germany itself will not get involved at the moment, though.

[Norseman]

I have no intention to make the Soviet-Manchurian war a world war; and given the circumstances and political goals of the USSR, that seems rather unlikely.

Don't say that! There are people here who are apt to take that as a challenge!

[Steve]

I'm curious. Why the hell would Byzantine Greeks, never conquered by the Turks, consider themselves "Slavs"? Slavs were a northern barbarian people who should consider themselves Hellenized after all.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm curious. Why the hell would Byzantine Greeks, never conquered by the Turks, consider themselves "Slavs"? Slavs were a northern barbarian people who should consider themselves Hellenized after all.

Actually, quite a lot of Slavs came down south. Hence, the Varangian Guard, which incidentally, originated from the Rus.

[Lascaris]

I'm curious. Why the hell would Byzantine Greeks, never conquered by the Turks, consider themselves "Slavs"? Slavs were a northern barbarian people who should consider themselves Hellenized after all.

Actually, quite a lot of Slavs came down south. Hence, the Varangian Guard, which incidentally, originated from the Rus.

And which within a generation of its creation consisted mostly of Anglosaxons that could not stand the Normans and genuine Norse. Post that the sole solid block of non hellenized Slavs under Greek sorry Byzantine control would be Bulgaria... which IMS the empire does not control.

[Thanas]

Rus do not equal slavs, though. They are more like Vikings.

However, a large number of slavs were settled in Greece and the Opsikion thema by the Byzantines in the 600/700s.

[Lascaris]

Rus do not equal slavs, though. They are more like Vikings.

However, a large number of slavs were settled in Greece and the Opsikion thema by the Byzantines in the 600/700s.

Which by the 13th century had been absorbed.

[Lascaris]

I told you, have a belt as high as you want. Just don't come crying to me if it gets your ships sunk.

Which means I can't have a belt as high as I want.

[Thanas]

Rus do not equal slavs, though. They are more like Vikings.

However, a large number of slavs were settled in Greece and the Opsikion thema by the Byzantines in the 600/700s.

Which by the 13th century had been absorbed.

That is true, but as Fin's Byzantium is a prosperous state and probably was the leading nation of Europe until the 1400s at least, I see no reason why more slavs should not have been settled in Byzantium. Eventually, it is his decision - if he wants to have a large number of slavs, let him have them.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Union volunteers led by German expats have left for Manchuria. The Union itself will not get involved, though.

Also, I think it was inevitable that I would eventually start porting video game characters (in this case, from Valkyria Chronicles).

[Norseman]

And I'm surprised you haven't seen where I got my inspiration for my Minister of State Security!

I'm also sad that no one has written anything regarding the many insane and horrible rumours about her

[Raj Ahten]

Chilitina is also sending volunteers. Two Brigades of infantry, if Manchuria wants them. I'm also willing to provide the brigades with arms if the Manchus don't want to.

[Steve]

I know people are busy but I'd like to see more OrBats completed, or at least people acknowledge that they need to be done and PM/IM me with reasons they haven't been able to get them completed? Otherwise I may have to make OrBats for those who fail to make their own, and you might not like what I give you.

[loomer]

Mine should be done pretty soon - just gotta work out what planes and exact infantry equipment to use.

[Ma Deuce]

I know people are busy but I'd like to see more OrBats completed, or at least people acknowledge that they need to be done and PM/IM me with reasons they haven't been able to get them completed? Otherwise I may have to make OrBats for those who fail to make their own, and you might not like what I give you.

I'm about done my navy orbat: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... 6bGc&hl=en (just as soon as I finish tweaking my destroyers in Springsharp it can be considered final; cruisers are done, I just need to name them), but I think I may need help getting the land and air orbats together.

[Steve]

Nice. Though you are aware that I said auxiliaries didn't count against combat fleet tonnage, aren't you? Things like tenders and oilers don't count toward your 1.2 million tonnes.

[Minister of Pigeonry]

I know people are busy but I'd like to see more OrBats completed, or at least people acknowledge that they need to be done and PM/IM me with reasons they haven't been able to get them completed? Otherwise I may have to make OrBats for those who fail to make their own, and you might not like what I give you.

I've got my Navy, Air Force and Naval Air Arm done. My Army and Marine active forces are looking done too, just need to determine how many infantry support tanks I want to add to my Marine reserve units. The composition of my Army reserve units isn't done yet, though, that's the biggest thing.

Are we including a section on Fortifications or no? I've got a pretty good number of those.

[Ma Deuce]

Nice. Though you are aware that I said auxiliaries didn't count against combat fleet tonnage, aren't you? Things like tenders and oilers don't count toward your 1.2 million tonnes.

You'll note I didn't count any auxiliaries except those seaplane tenders (unless you count sub chasers, MTBs and minesweepers as being auxiliaries), though I figured I'd better include them in warship tonnage because seaplane tenders can and have used their aircraft offensively, though admittedly not to great effect (see: the Cuxhaven Raid). You'll also note my two under-construction BBs (which aren't supposed to be complete until late '26) are counted for their full tonnage, though since I added that I'm now lead to believe that ships that will be completed after 1925 are now counted as half-tonnage, yes?

[Steve]

Nice. Though you are aware that I said auxiliaries didn't count against combat fleet tonnage, aren't you? Things like tenders and oilers don't count toward your 1.2 million tonnes.

You'll note I didn't count any auxiliaries except those seaplane tenders (unless you count sub chasers, MTBs and minesweepers as being auxiliaries), though I figured I'd better include them in warship tonnage because seaplane tenders can and have used their aircraft offensively, though admittedly not to great effect (see: the Cuxhaven Raid). You'll also note my two under-construction BBs (which aren't supposed to be complete until late '26) are counted for their full tonnage, though since I added that I'm now lead to believe that ships that will be completed after 1925 are now counted as half-tonnage, yes?

Ships that won't commission before 1 January 1926 don't count toward tonnage at all.

Seaplane tenders will still count as auxiliaries. MTBs do not. Sub chasers... would, I believe.

Yes, MoP, please include fortifications.

[Raj Ahten]

Nice. Though you are aware that I said auxiliaries didn't count against combat fleet tonnage, aren't you? Things like tenders and oilers don't count toward your 1.2 million tonnes.

Huh. I wasn't aware of that. Do minesweepers count as combatants? I might have to redo my orbat to get rid of the support ships entry if i don't have to worry about oilers and so forth.

Whats the part about adding fortifications about? do you just want to know where they are or do forts cost something now?

[Steve]

I'd like you to quantify them, and I figure they shouldn't add up in tonnage to more than a quarter, maybe a third of your combat fleet's tonnage.

[Evincer]

What is a sensible deployment of fortifications for the coast of Peru? I think the emphasis would be on protecting major cities and preventing landings. There are 10 fortress brigades, and presumably fortresses, allocated for coastal defense in the starting forces.

[Minister of Pigeonry]

Yes, MoP, please include fortifications.

Gotcha, I'll get my hands on some maps and try to locate my bunkers and whatnot, try to get gun calibers and numbers in there too.

[Ma Deuce]

Ships that won't commission before 1 January 1926 don't count toward tonnage at all.

Seaplane tenders will still count as auxiliaries. MTBs do not. Sub chasers... would, I believe.

Okay then: Let's see what I can do with all that combat tonnage I just saved (I may now add some monitors to my fleet). So are we going with auxiliary tonnage = 1/4th combat tonnage? If so, then I'm pretty sure Norseman is well over that limit.

[loomer]

I'd like you to quantify them, and I figure they shouldn't add up in tonnage to more than a quarter, maybe a third of your combat fleet's tonnage.

How would you like me to quantify my forts, since I don't really have a navy? Just go with maybe two or three already extant ones and what seems reasonable for a 19th century structure?

(Obviously the new ones are going to be pretty well defined, possibly with actual plans made up.)