ST defence vulnerability

pellaeons_scion · Post by **pellaeons_scion** » 2003-02-13 07:20pm

Hello

Was reading through some Startrek encyclopedia stuff and one thing stood out to me above all else and was repeated several times would give SW a clear advantage ST. Not power or anything like that but simply the fact that ST ships need to lower their shields to fire any kind of weaponry. Even though its a brief lowering, I think an Imperial commander would bait a ST ship into firing, gauge the time that the hole is opened via sensor scans, then fire into that opening causing massive damage to the vunerbale area

I dont know, but if thats correct that seems to be a very stupid ST design flaw. Having to lower your defences to attack?? AFAIK SW ships dont need to do this. I could be wrong. Any comments appreciated. Ill give details of the ST magazine once I find it again

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-13 07:34pm

Don't SW shields open up little holes in their shields to let out weapons fire (I recall hearing that somewhere).

ST on the other hand uses frequency windows as has already been mentioned.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-13 07:42pm

No. SW ray shields are one-way.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-13 07:49pm

Doesn't really matter, considering TL's would simply blow through their shields and their ships anyways.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-13 07:50pm

pellaeons_scion wrote:*snip*

A load of worthless noncanon mumbo-jumbo.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-13 07:51pm

SW ray shields are one way, particle shields hav eot be opened to lauch physical things, and planetary/theatre shields have to be opened to shoot either.

pellaeons_scion · Post by **pellaeons_scion** » 2003-02-13 07:57pm

Nice reply

So what is canon for ST then?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-13 08:20pm

pellaeons_scion wrote:Hello

Was reading through some Startrek encyclopedia stuff and one thing stood out to me above all else and was repeated several times would give SW a clear advantage ST. Not power or anything like that but simply the fact that ST ships need to lower their shields to fire any kind of weaponry. Even though its a brief lowering, I think an Imperial commander would bait a ST ship into firing, gauge the time that the hole is opened via sensor scans, then fire into that opening causing massive damage to the vunerbale area

I dont know, but if thats correct that seems to be a very stupid ST design flaw. Having to lower your defences to attack?? AFAIK SW ships dont need to do this. I could be wrong. Any comments appreciated. Ill give details of the ST magazine once I find it again

Star Trek ships do not have to lower thier shields to fire. The weapons fire is matched with the frequency of the shields, this allows it to pass through.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-13 10:00pm

SW sheilds do open little hole to allow fire to get out. It is in Dark Empire I. The effect is called windowing.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-13 10:44pm

When?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-13 11:01pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:SW ray shields are one way, particle shields hav eot be opened to lauch physical things, and planetary/theatre shields have to be opened to shoot either.

Are you sure? I thought ground based turbolaser defenses could shoot through the shield to hit targets in orbit. At least, that's the impression I got from the Rogue Squadron novel. When did the ion cannons on Hoth begin shooting again? Before or after the collapse of the shields?

pellaeons_scion · Post by **pellaeons_scion** » 2003-02-13 11:10pm

Admiral Johnason:

Can you give a specific quote realting to this?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-13 11:11pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Are you sure? I thought ground based turbolaser defenses could shoot through the shield to hit targets in orbit. At least, that's the impression I got from the Rogue Squadron novel. When did the ion cannons on Hoth begin shooting again? Before or after the collapse of the shields?

I don't knwo anything about a Rouge Sqadron novel, but the EGTW&T says: "As on Hoth an ion cannon can be syncronized with the shields for strategic defensive fire. The shields are lowered for a split second, allowing ion cannon to fire several volleys...."

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-13 11:16pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Are you sure? I thought ground based turbolaser defenses could shoot through the shield to hit targets in orbit. At least, that's the impression I got from the Rogue Squadron novel. When did the ion cannons on Hoth begin shooting again? Before or after the collapse of the shields?
I don't knwo anything about a Rouge Sqadron novel, but the EGTW&T says: "As on Hoth an ion cannon can be syncronized with the shields for strategic defensive fire. The shields are lowered for a split second, allowing ion cannon to fire several volleys...."

I see. Thank you for the info. I stand corrected.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-13 11:29pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:SW sheilds do open little hole to allow fire to get out. It is in Dark Empire I. The effect is called windowing.

Provide the quote. I remember windowing being hwo Boba Fett tried to get through, but that was a planetary shield being dropped for a ship, not ray shields to fire through.

Besides, even then the droideka's shields show us that ray shields are one way.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-13 11:39pm

The Imperial ships wouldn't be able to match frequencies with the Trek ship's shields, but the frequency vulnerability does provide tiny windows for some of the attacking weapon to get through. Hence the most likely reason ST ships take damage long before shields fail. So some of the Turbolaser would get through without having a frequency of its own.

pellaeons_scion · Post by **pellaeons_scion** » 2003-02-13 11:43pm

I dont believe I have ever read anything about TL bolts having a "frequency". Isnt it the yield of the bolt whats important? If it is, then frequency is irrelevant

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-13 11:43pm

Ray/particle shields appear to be not quite the same thing as massive-scale planetary shield systems, which defend against both energy beams and physical impacts, but are two-way to everything.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-13 11:58pm

pellaeons_scion wrote:I dont believe I have ever read anything about TL bolts having a "frequency". Isnt it the yield of the bolt whats important? If it is, then frequency is irrelevant

1) Yes, there is no evidence that Turbolasers have an operating frequence. Therefore they probably don't.

2) Yes, the energy of the bolt is what is most important.

3) However, because Fed shields cycle on and off at a certain frequency, some of the Turbolaser energy will leak through during the breif "off" period, even though the TL is frequency-less.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-14 12:55am

Phasers synchronize with shields in order to shoot through them. The DS9 TM even talks about this in some detail, although its status is questionable.

SW weapons don't seem to do this; they open little windows to fire (the ability to open windows was described in the ROTJ novelization as pertains to the Endor shield), or use a hull hugger which leaves a hole around the gun barrel (droidekas actually appear to poke their guns through their own shields to fire). There is no coherent frequency vulnerability (which comes in handy when a droideka's own blaster bolts get deflected back at it, as we saw in TPM).

DeadM · Post by **DeadM** » 2003-02-14 08:54am

Star Trek ships do not have to lower thier shields to fire. The weapons fire is matched with the frequency of the shields, this allows it to pass through.

That may be the case, but why didnt the Enterprise just fire back at the Bird of Prey in Generations? If their shields are matched with the weapons Enterprise's shoots would also go past the shields of the BoP. Its a long time since i saw that movie so i might have missed something

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-02-14 09:35am

Suicidal Lifestyle wrote:
Star Trek ships do not have to lower thier shields to fire. The weapons fire is matched with the frequency of the shields, this allows it to pass through.
That may be the case, but why didnt the Enterprise just fire back at the Bird of Prey in Generations? If their shields are matched with the weapons Enterprise's shoots would also go past the shields of the BoP. Its a long time since i saw that movie so i might have missed something

1. Because Riker is an incompetent nincompoop.

2. You need to know the shield frequency to match your weapons to it.
Obviously the BoP will know its own shield freq, but how would Enterprise?

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Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-14 10:32am

Suicidal Lifestyle wrote:
Star Trek ships do not have to lower thier shields to fire. The weapons fire is matched with the frequency of the shields, this allows it to pass through.
That may be the case, but why didnt the Enterprise just fire back at the Bird of Prey in Generations? If their shields are matched with the weapons Enterprise's shoots would also go past the shields of the BoP. Its a long time since i saw that movie so i might have missed something

Because if the Duras sisters have any intelligence they would only match their shields to that frequency at the exact moment they fire and then switch back to their standard operating frequency.

DeadM · Post by **DeadM** » 2003-02-14 11:16am

Darth Servo wrote:
Suicidal Lifestyle wrote:
Star Trek ships do not have to lower thier shields to fire. The weapons fire is matched with the frequency of the shields, this allows it to pass through.
That may be the case, but why didnt the Enterprise just fire back at the Bird of Prey in Generations? If their shields are matched with the weapons Enterprise's shoots would also go past the shields of the BoP. Its a long time since i saw that movie so i might have missed something
Because if the Duras sisters have any intelligence they would only match their shields to that frequency at the exact moment they fire and then switch back to their standard operating frequency.

Oh, I see.
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Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-14 11:24am

Suicidal Lifestyle wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Because if the Duras sisters have any intelligence they would only match their shields to that frequency at the exact moment they fire and then switch back to their standard operating frequency.
Oh, I see.

Good.

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