DW: Waters of Mars

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How do you rate 'Waters of Mars?'

5 - And, and the Ice Warriors, Cruel Martian Invaders!
5
14%
4 - Of course not, Martians look completely different.
20
56%
3 - The Martian Boondocks. Typical.
10
28%
2 - Robo-forms are not necessary. My children may feast on Martian flesh!
0
No votes
1 - I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all humankind!
1
3%
 
Total votes: 36

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Re: DW: Waters of Mars

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Hey, its the dad from Spellbinder. :lol:

Any way, I want to give it 4.5 /5, but since there isn't that option I voted for 4. I thought this was much better than Planet of the Dead.

A few random musings
1) I guess its classic who in the sense that the Doctor queries that he can't change history. However the story struck me as more of a sci fi thriller, in the same vein as those sci fi where the people get infected / go mad types stories, eg Event Horizon.

2) I loved the bit when the Doctor speaks in the Martian dialect. Don't know why, but it just sounded cool and had elements of classic Who, where the Doctor shows off his alien knowledge only to have the humans say, don't be ridiculous.

3) Time Lord Victorious. Has a nice ring to it. Like NL I would have prefered to see more of this. I do like the Doctor's changing view that he is more than just a survivor. Before he would look on the Time War as a defeat, although the military mind would most probably called it a draw, see "The Armageddon Factor".

Looking at it further, the Daleks came back only to be defeated again. The remainder are imprisoned in the void while the Last Time Lord(s) lives and can go where he pleases. Its a pyrric victory, and the fact the Doctor looks at it that way speaks of newfound optimism and from a character point of view might get rid of some of the emo vibe we have been getting.

4) Adelaide dying at the end, to show the Doctor that he can't change everything, although he managed to save the little people. This was good from a dramatic point of view. Especially tragic as I interpreted things as "well we don't know it really would have worked out" if she still stayed alive. Its indicated that the Laws of time (obviously TL law rather than laws of physics) are derived from theory (although a hypothesis would be the better word), ie that some points are "fixed". Since the TL would most probably never have tested this hypothesis, we don't know whether Adelaide's granddaughter will still pioneer future space missions.

5) I am going to disagree with some people and say that I enjoyed how the Doctor changed things. Its different instead of the Doctor being constrained by plot to not interfere. Sometimes the tropes and cliches just being turned on their head is enjoyable just because its different.

On another note, its hinted the Ice Warriors managed to seal up the infection. I wondered how they did it. The "Flood" seems like a tough foe, although not as resilient as the nucleus of the swarm (The Invisible Enemy). Perhaps they were ruthless enough to simply kill infected members of their race.
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Re: DW: Waters of Mars

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I just watched this with my partner and ill say that we were BOTH sorely disappointed when we went from the Dr out in the fire talking baout being the last of the timelords, to suddenly him being back inside all heroic, light shinning behind him...

We thought for ONCE the show was going to be really, REALLY gutsy and actually stick with the whole "Some points in time can NOT be changed"
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And then everything goes south, he shows up to "save the day" The thing is, he didn't really, he didn't 'save' the day, he showed up, tried a few tricks, nothing worked, so he uses a shaky Robot that could fall apart, gives it the KEY to his TARDIS and has it, somehow, pilot it back to materialize around the people just before the place blows... yeah.

But I'm thinking, well, maybe this is where things change? Everyone will think they are dead, history doesn't change really, everything stays the same, I figure he will take them somewhere, maybe in the future, give them a new life...

But no, he takes them, back to Earth, on the SAME DAY of the event... I mean, what the FUCK is he thinking? How exactly are the three survivors going to explain suddenly appearing on Earth the very day the base just got nuked. And since they are on Earth, won't they be questioned about what happened? The "Mysterious" event that so inspired Adelaide granddaughter will be explained, can we say screwing with Time?

Of course Adelaide goes and shoots herself, so congrats Doctor, her little grand daughter wakes up to find the DEAD BODY of her beloved grandmother in her front door!
Again, what the F*CK was he thinking?
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Re: DW: Waters of Mars

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I was thoroughly enjoying that episode (had to watch it on youtube (an excellent quality one at that) because Cablevision dosen't feel that BBC America is a good investment) until the last 10 minutes.

Lets just say that I can't wait for RTD's time to be over. I thought it was suppose to end a year ago but of course that didn't happen. The whole episode was a buildup to finally seeing the Doctor be helpless. Usually in these circumstances the Doctor has a companion who is either running to help the people or the other way around. This time the Doctor knew what was suppose to happen and just had to let them happen.

The biggest hole in this story was not that he didn't take them somewhere else in another time, but since he was so gung ho about not caring about the laws of time, why not arrive back on Mars an hour before he initially arrives and tell the crew whats going to happen. Then set the nuke and take them someplace else saving the entire crew and not just the 3 "Main" crew members.

As for The End of Time, the Doctor seems to be turning into The Master himself. Hasn't the Master always been trying to change the universe for his own feelings and such, not caring about the laws of time? We shall see..........
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Re: DW: Waters of Mars

Post by Camyron »

The Waters Of Mars very much saw the show turning down a much darker path, and for long parts is perhaps best described as one of the Doctor-less episodes, yet with the Doctor slap bang in the middle of it.
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