xiophen:
Ive been glancing through the books latly none of them have really caught my intrest I was disappointed they havnt done more since Ravnos woke and baba yaga was killed.
oh, yeah. New WW books are so bad for those who also enjoyed the background of the setting, not only the play...
most 4 th gens have at least on 9th. though tiamat one of those that the players are meant to fight so she was relativly tamed. but take any of those and you'll see stacked 7 point, 8 points and at least one 9 point disciplines.
The only stat abouve 6 she had was one discipline she did herself. And no one ever talked about. like I said, a bad written adventure. I believe (they actually say it) she would get a bost and they them only posted her recently awakened topor stats...It is even more plausible if we look her childe , A 5th Ventrue that is found in the same book I think and have much better stats. After all she have a cool background and needed a bit more, not to be worse than Helena "I am pretty, duh" or Neferiti "Use me Set"...
Bad control of background material its prevailent in almost every Gaming company, WW, GW, Wizards of the coast all suffer from it in one fashion or another. Though Palladium doesnt have to worry about it cause they have funky background control as it is and steve jackson games dont bother with much background since they are still truer to the make your own world phillosophy.
what is most dislike is the new philosophy of the new writters that "I do not like it, kill" or "Good for battle, good for the game"...
A hack and slash of a light sabre? BS and you know it the Lightsabre is the only thing that gives your jedi a hope against a low gen WOD creature.
Of course and that is why I said that Jedi would always fight with that, because it is not a hope, but a HELL of hope. It can be only absorved with Fortitude and that is something not all vampires have. That means against sabers they lost the regeneration advantage and also the high stamina.
Wanna see ?
Kemintiri have only 4 of celerity and Fortitude. She is kick ass Settite, 4th generation (she can do other stuff), but with those she have not that superiority in combat that you claim (Hence you said a Jedi can move at 3 times the speed of human and she will only have 4 dices to absort damage. And She does not have discipline to gave agravated damage). Or Petaquina, a great 5th Generantion Malkavian who deals among Black Spirals and have neither Celerity or Fortitude. She stands no chance in close combat. Or even Tariq, a clood murderer, Assamite, 5th, only 3 of celerity and 4 of fortitude.
Like people pointed it is relative. I know one would murder Jedis like ants...In the same book there is the Enkidu, 4th Generation Gangrel with 7 of Celerity, 8 of Fortitude, 7 of Potence, already with 9 of Strength and Stamina, And even 6 of Vicissitude and 8 of Protean which could be used to raize his physical power even more.
be it mage, Garu or kindred. The force just evens the playing field out a little makes it so a your jedi doesnt get raped nine ways to hell and back the lightsabre makes it so they can fight the above up until you through in the various weapons and equipment anything from white wolf can have.
I am not, you know why ?
A Jedi can have much better equipaments. Lukes come with a X-wing (and the powerful r2 ; ) and Darth come with a Star Destroyer. That would go in a ridiculous path.
A vampire does not have equipament as requiriment. Not all vampires carry bombs, weapons and actually, later generations vampires avoid such things. All Jedis have a lightsaber in other hand. That is primary.
and Im sorry nothing jedi or sith will ever compare to a 4th gen charcater of a rank 5 garu both of which can dismatle cities if they wanted.
I never seen any of the rank 5 Garou do anything like that. Gogol is pathetic and cannt even turn the tide of the war in Amazon, the one in Russia never have even been able to kill a minon of importance of Baba Yaga. The black spiral woman of rank 5 either.
And you forget something, dont ? A Jedi build up a Intergalatic Empire. He does not messed up with one city, But with several solar systems.
Trying to make Jedis look powerless and just above the normal human is just not easy.
Ohhh yes and we have seen them use this once maybe twice in cannon?
oh, please, It is not because they do not talk before any action "I feel like this will happen" does not mean they did not use (If they did, that would become DBZ ^^). Anakin uses it a lot, even without training to won the race. Qui-Jon uses also (how many times he says he senses that something will happen to Obi-wan), The council of Jedi predicts the danger of Anakin, and there is prophecie about him. Darth feel about Luke and that they would help each other. The Emperor feels the danger of luke. There goes...
The Supernatural Creatures of the WoD are the custodians of Nukes, what you think the Kindred sit around and let the Mortals own and maintain weapons cabable of destroying their food source and them....
This is a bit too much. Washington by night is a book published. They have no access to the president there and such powers there belonged to the other faction , Technocracy. This faction hold nukes and stuff. But again, there is no need to go to those equipaments, will make the debate ridiculous. It is normal we assume the Jedi have a saber. Because that is something all of them have.
Muffin is food. Food is good. I am a Muffin. I am good.
and steve jackson games dont bother with much background since they are still truer to the make your own world phillosophy.
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