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Washington (CNN) -- The Washington City Council voted Tuesday to legalize same-sex marriage in the nation's capital.

The bill was approved overwhelmingly by a vote of 11-2. The bill will be given to Mayor Adrian Fenty, who has expressed his support and vowed to sign the bill.

If the mayor signs it, Congress will have 30 days to intervene before it would take effect. It is considered unlikely that the Democratic majority on Capitol Hill will block the bill

Tuesday's second vote was needed to send the measure to Fenty. The council passed the bill in an 11-2 vote December 1.

If the measure becomes law, Washington will join Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and Iowa in allowing legal same-sex marriages. A law legalizing gay marriage in New Hampshire takes affect January 1.

Council members who voted in favor of the measure hailed Tuesday's second and final vote as a historic moment.

"Today is the final step in this long march," Council Member Phil Mendelson said.

The two council members who voted against the legislation, Yvette Alexander and former Washington Mayor Marion Barry, said they could not support it because the majority of their constituents did not.

Council Member David Catania, who is openly gay and who introduced the measure, said ahead of the vote that he understood the reason behind the dissenting council members' votes.

"They are my friends, and they are decent; this is simply a difference of opinion," he said.

Lawmakers in Maine approved legalized same-sex marriages this year, but voters in the state last month passed a referendum to overturn the new law.

Last week, New York's state Senate defeated a bill that would legalize gay marriages. A similar bill stalled last week in New Jersey's state Senate.

Tuesday's vote in the nation's capital prompted approval from gay rights groups. The Human Rights Campaign applauded the passage of the legislation, calling it a "a victory for all D.C. residents."

"The legislation the Council passed today reinforces the legal equality and religious freedoms to which all D.C. residents are entitled," the organization's president, Joe Solmonese, said in a written statement.

The National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex marriage, said "the fight is not over."

"Politicians on the city council are acting as if they have the right through legislation to deprive citizens of D.C. of their core civil right to vote, but we will not let them get away with it," said Brian Brown, the organization's executive director.

"We will go to Congress; we will go to the courts; we will fight for the people's right to vote," he said.

Opposition to the legislation also came from the Catholic Church's Archdiocese of Washington, which has said that the measure could restrict the church's ability to provide charity services, apparently because the church might cut back on services rather than comply with requirements.

"Under the bill, religious organizations would be exempt from participating in ceremonies or from teaching about same-sex marriage in religion classes and retreats in accord with their faith beliefs, but they would be required to recognize and promote same-sex marriage everywhere else, including in employment policies, and adoption and foster-care policies, against their beliefs," Archbishop Donald W. Wuerl wrote in a November 17 Washington Post opinion piece.

He said the church was asking that new language be developed so that faith groups "can continue to provide services without compromising their deeply held religious teachings and beliefs."

However, Mendelson said Tuesday that more than 200 churches have stated their support for the bill.

Last month, the district's board of elections ruled against a proposed ballot initiative that would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

"Under current law, the district recognizes as valid same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions," the board said in a written statement. "The board concludes that that Marriage Initiative of 2009 would, if passed, strip same-sex couples who have entered into such marriages of rights afforded to them by that recognition."
I'm afraid I don't have any deep or relevant commentary to offer, other then; congrats to the LGBT community in DC.

Edit: Edited title to reflect reality a little better.
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Indeed,

An excellent step in the on going 2 steps forward 1 step back model for progressive change in America.
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Now, to see if the Catholic Church upholds it's threat to deny services for the needy because of it...
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In a way would be good if they did? Then other groups would move in and the Catholics would just end up shooting themselves in the foot.
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Much of the RCC's charity work is actually carried out with funds dispersed by the city itself, so it's possible that if the RCC refuses to play ball the city will just hand off the cash to the Unitarians or the Episcopalians or some other charity group that actually cares about people.
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Garibaldi wrote:Much of the RCC's charity work is actually carried out with funds dispersed by the city itself, so it's possible that if the RCC refuses to play ball the city will just hand off the cash to the Unitarians or the Episcopalians or some other charity group that actually cares about people.
A can tell you from experiance that means a lot of money not making it's way to the Vatican and the Bishops.
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Garibaldi wrote:Much of the RCC's charity work is actually carried out with funds dispersed by the city itself, so it's possible that if the RCC refuses to play ball the city will just hand off the cash to the Unitarians or the Episcopalians or some other charity group that actually cares about people.
Being somewhat fair Catholic Charities and the Archdiocese kick in a goodly extra chunk of cash for the programs but I still don't think that excuses them in any way on this. You don't have to perform marriages or otherwise even talk about them, all you have to do is that if you hire a gay man or woman (under equal opportunity hiring laws) then you have to pay spousal benefits if they are married...ohhh scary. Seriously RCC, if you aren't already objecting to hiring gay men and women then why are you bitching about paying for family benefits (that's right those benefits cost money so that is what this is about...I see).

So here is hoping that this won't get tossed in as a "kill gay marriage in DC and we'll vote for health care" piece of bullshit though I can just see it now.
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Well said and I do also hope we at long last get past this chapter where ignorant fools can deny people a family liked their own based on sexual preferances. These people have faught hard to be given the same rights as others and I see no reason for them to be denied.
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Frank Hipper wrote:Now, to see if the Catholic Church upholds it's threat to deny services for the needy because of it...
I have no doubt they will.. I am more interested in seeing how this will be negated via a ballot propasition. Or more ot the point, what options does the Church/ Far right have for once more asserting "the will of the people" of the march of Equal Rights?
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Still, opponents plan to try. Members of a group called Stand4Marriage, led by local pastor Bishop Harry Jackson, have met with members of Congress to urge them to oppose the bill.

Strip the parish of it's tax exempt status, the priest of his titles and authority and put the whole organization under federal investigation.
She said in a statement before the vote that the law is a "decision for the people, not a dozen people at city hall."
You brainless twit. Shut the hell up and never breed. Representative democracy, idiot. It is entirely the job of those people in City Hall to make laws, you voted them in, moron!

Oh. Wait. These are the mindless drones in the "PROTECT MARRIAGE from the EVIL HOMO-HORDES" crowd. Representative democracy is only right when it agrees with them. Fucking troglodytes need to be rounded up and culled.
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Frank Hipper wrote:Now, to see if the Catholic Church upholds it's threat to deny services for the needy because of it...
I have no doubt they will.. I am more interested in seeing how this will be negated via a ballot propasition. Or more ot the point, what options does the Church/ Far right have for once more asserting "the will of the people" of the march of Equal Rights?
Appealing to Congress, that's about it. DC superior court already rejected putting a "marriage is between a man and a woman" initiative on the ballot because it would violate rights granted under DC's gay marriage reciprocity law. Fun fact if you re gay, got married in MA and moved to DC then your marriage would be recognized in DC but if you live in the city you can't yet get married there. Anyway DC's initiative process does not allow you to violate DC's Human Rights Act (which protects sexual orientation and gender identity) so, as already demonstrated by the aforementioned case, you can't have a ballot initiative which strips marriage rights due to sexual orientation.

All this leaves appeal to Congress and the provisions of the Home Rule Act, specifically:
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I'm not sure Congress would actually specifically shoot down a gay marriage bill at this point. It's one thing when it happens on a ballot, because then the wingnuts can say "Will of the people! Will of the people!" and there's no one for the pro-gay marriage side to react to.

If actual politicians do it, they have to answer to their constituents, and at this point a statistical majority of Congressmen would like some gay people to vote for them some time in the next decade.

Of course, that isn't decisive, but it helps. And in this case all Congressional Democrats have to do to avoid getting pounded for voting against gay marriage is nothing, which they excel at. So I predict (without enormous confidence, admittedly) that Congress won't strike this down.
CmdrWilkens wrote:Being somewhat fair Catholic Charities and the Archdiocese kick in a goodly extra chunk of cash for the programs but I still don't think that excuses them in any way on this. You don't have to perform marriages or otherwise even talk about them, all you have to do is that if you hire a gay man or woman (under equal opportunity hiring laws) then you have to pay spousal benefits if they are married...ohhh scary. Seriously RCC, if you aren't already objecting to hiring gay men and women then why are you bitching about paying for family benefits (that's right those benefits cost money so that is what this is about...I see).
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Highlord Laan wrote:You brainless twit. Shut the hell up and never breed. Representative democracy, idiot. It is entirely the job of those people in City Hall to make laws, you voted them in, moron!

Oh. Wait. These are the mindless drones in the "PROTECT MARRIAGE from the EVIL HOMO-HORDES" crowd. Representative democracy is only right when it agrees with them. Fucking troglodytes need to be rounded up and culled.
I can see where they are coming from, though. When voting for a politician in general elections, the candidate's views on homosexual rights will typically not be a decisive factor in him gaining office or not; such "small" issues tend to be obscured by larger, more important ones (taxes, welfare, crime, whatever). A referendum, on the other hand, allows the people to give their opinion independently and free of other considerations.
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Darth Hoth wrote:I can see where they are coming from, though. When voting for a politician in general elections, the candidate's views on homosexual rights will typically not be a decisive factor in him gaining office or not; such "small" issues tend to be obscured by larger, more important ones (taxes, welfare, crime, whatever). A referendum, on the other hand, allows the people to give their opinion independently and free of other considerations.

That is absolutely true BUT the disingenuity here is this group doesn't demand referendums on all sorts of other issues which also tend to be back burner stuff that still affects everyday lives. Think zoning law changes or using traffic enforcement cameras as two quick examples. These are niche issues that tend not to be the principal decision makers when folks vote for representation but they can seriously affect citizens yet no one is agitating for the initiative process on these matters. Put simply the initiative process is a great way for citizens to have their voice heard but groups like NoM are lying assholes who only advocate for it because the initiative would be against "teh gays, teh evil gays" not because of some principled belief in the initiative process.
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Highlord Laan wrote:
She said in a statement before the vote that the law is a "decision for the people, not a dozen people at city hall."
You brainless twit. Shut the hell up and never breed. Representative democracy, idiot. It is entirely the job of those people in City Hall to make laws, you voted them in, moron!
I recall seeing a video of Jesse Jackson making the same point at one of the hearings on this. It was pointed out to him that the last time a decision on a civil rights issue had been taken to public vote in DC it was decided by the people to continue enforcing segregation of blacks.
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