Phase Cloak Question

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-02-10 01:09am

We know that a ship can be put out of phase with the appropriate equipment.
We know that a transporter can put people and weapons out of phase after some funky things are done to it.
Would it be possible for a phase-cloaked ship to engage a funktified transporter and beam objects back into phase with normal reality?

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2003-02-10 01:31am

Probably, it would probably take Scotty or Data to do it and don't place any bets on being able to understand what he tells you he's going to do if its Data. 50/50 on Scotty but for different reasons.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-10 02:06am

I don't see why not. Pretty much anything is possible through the magic of technobabble.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2003-02-10 02:11am

Ah yes, glorious technobabble, making people watching go "what the hell does that mean?!" for 30 odd years.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-02-10 02:27am

So could this transport work through normal shields? Or would you have to do the transport while inside another vessel to begin with to get something inside it intact?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-10 05:11pm

Since when can transporters de-phase things?

Gah, I said de-phase. Gah.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-10 05:19pm

Yes, but it would be like beaming something off of the holodeck and getting it to stay materialized. You would need a powerful transporter and a lot of power.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-10 07:04pm

a funktified transporter and beam

would Bootsy Collins be operating said transporter? because if he was, i'm sure he could tear the roof of tha' muthasucka' and lay down the fizz-unk.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-02-13 07:00am

GAT, I'm going off of the episode where Geordi and Ro Laren were put into the weirdness zone.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-13 01:23pm

This argument is pointless. You're assuming that just because the two devices use the same technobabble buzz-word (phase) that they must operate on the same principle? EVERYTHING in TNG Trek uses phase and frequency. It proves nothing.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-13 04:48pm

I always though a mine dispensor would be very useful. The ship drops a mine and once the mine leaves the cloaking field......it is back in real space. If this was actually doable, imagine the tactical advatages!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-13 04:51pm

Darth Servo wrote:This argument is pointless. You're assuming that just because the two devices use the same technobabble buzz-word (phase) that they must operate on the same principle? EVERYTHING in TNG Trek uses phase and frequency. It proves nothing.

While drawing conclusions about one device from the other is flimsy (although employed by alot of people around here) the two systems do have alot in common since the transporter was modfied by interaction with whatever causes the phase cloak to work (at least the Romulan version ).

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-14 02:38pm

TheDarkling wrote:the two systems do have alot in common since the transporter was modfied by interaction with whatever causes the phase cloak to work (at least the Romulan version ).

Trek transporters are "modified" by just about anything.

X-rays (Symbiosis), Armus (Skin of Evil), "hyperonic radiation" (Ensigns of Command), "Teremi-thorons" (same episode), electrical storms (The Enemy, Power Play), certain types of explosive detonators (The High Ground), the "Tin Man", "hytritium" (The Most Toys), electromagnetic fields generated by an ordinary transformer (Legacy), the natural magnetic field of an inhabitable moon (Final Mission), increased energy levels in a planet's ionosphere (Darmok), "victurium" (Hero Worship), "nucleonic interference" (Schisms), an unusually large concentration of ions (True Q, Lessons), ionizing radiation (Quality of Life), tractor beams (The Chase, Attached), intense solar radiation (Suspicions).

Do all these things work on similar principles as the transporter? No. There is no reason what-so-ever to conclude that the transporter can be linked with a phase cloak.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-14 02:53pm

Most of the things you mention simply block the transporter (and most of those are more of a sensor issue) and we saw their effects.

The effects of a transporter getting effected by the technobabble X that the Romulan Phase Cloak were observed to put the items transporter out of phase in a manner similiar (at least on a superficial level) to the way a phase cloak puts the ship out of phase.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-02-14 03:03pm

SCVN 2812 wrote:Ah yes, glorious technobabble, making people watching go "what the hell does that mean?!" for 30 odd years.

Actually, this phenomenon really dates back only to TNG. The original series was very sparing of technobabble.