Australian Opp Leader: All kids must read the Bible

[adam_grif]

Wow. You really do have your priorities wrong - and you want to move to a place that you're not sure even exists. Guns, faster internet and a bunch of stuff that doesn't affect you and one right that you could revel in should you ever choose to move to Adelaide*. And in return you lose... pretty much the entire social safety net.

Naw, to get semi-automatic centrefire long-arms in Australia, operating it has to be vital to your employment, or it has to be permanently deactivated. Even in Adelaide.

These certainly seem like strange priorities for you, but why should you care? It's not like I'm here proposing that everybody make the move. It's just me, yeah? There's really no reason for you to be getting worked up over it. That goes for pretty much everybody in this thread too.

Anyway, I do hope that Chris does buy you that one way ticket - I'd certainly like to see you keep your end of the deal and become a stateless citizen just so you can get faster internet. That would be hilarious, and would be the only case I've ever seen of a libertarian-leaner actually sticking to their guns. In fact, if he decides to do it, I will donate $50 to the cause.

I'm totally for libertarianism, as long as it's only applying to me. Enter other people into the equation, and suddenly I'm all for government regulation. I suppose you could say I'm libertarian leaning, but it's not like I'm about to run off and join the party and start campaigning for them. Public schools, public roads etc are all really great things to have.

[Lusankya]

Naw, to get semi-automatic centrefire long-arms in Australia, operating it has to be vital to your employment, or it has to be permanently deactivated. Even in Adelaide.

I was talking about the right to sit in your room wanking off, and knowing that somewhere out there, a bunch of kids are smoking pot without any fear of it being prosecuted, doofus. That's one of those vital rights that you're so keen on leaving Australia because of, right?

These certainly seem like strange priorities for you, but why should you care? It's not like I'm here proposing that everybody make the move. It's just me, yeah? There's really no reason for you to be getting worked up over it. That goes for pretty much everybody in this thread too.

Want to know why you wanting to leave Australia pisses everyone off, but me wanting to leave Australia doesn't, despite me wanting to leave Australia for a third world dictatorship and you wanting to move to various other first world countries? See, of the two of us, only one of us has demonstrated that they've actually put thought into their decision and is aware of the cost of moving. You, on the other hand came in saying "hur hur, slow internet, I'm running away" which is, quite frankly a stupid opinion to hold, and makes us all think you're a dumbass. If you'd actually put some thought into what you wanted to do - like, something along the lines of knowing where this magical place that you wanted to move to actually was - then you would not be finding such a hostile reception.

I'm totally for libertarianism, as long as it's only applying to me. Enter other people into the equation, and suddenly I'm all for government regulation. I suppose you could say I'm libertarian leaning, but it's not like I'm about to run off and join the party and start campaigning for them. Public schools, public roads etc are all really great things to have.

So "rules are great, as long as they don't apply to me"? Jackass. This is why everybody hates you.

[adam_grif]

Want to know why you wanting to leave Australia pisses everyone off, but me wanting to leave Australia doesn't, despite me wanting to leave Australia for a third world dictatorship and you wanting to move to various other first world countries? See, of the two of us, only one of us has demonstrated that they've actually put thought into their decision and is aware of the cost of moving. You, on the other hand came in saying "hur hur, slow internet, I'm running away" which is, quite frankly a stupid opinion to hold, and makes us all think you're a dumbass. If you'd actually put some thought into what you wanted to do - like, something along the lines of knowing where this magical place that you wanted to move to actually was - then you would not be finding such a hostile reception.

Actually, I made an offhand comment on page 1 of this thread that was exaggerating the political stupidity of the nation.

Then suddenly people jumped on my and demanded I justify it, which resulted in even more hilarity from the peanut gallery as you've all been tripping over yourselves to hate on everything you can. Keep it up.

So "rules are great, as long as they don't apply to me"? Jackass. This is why everybody hates you.

Oh hey, I can summarize the whole thread with this:

[Lusankya]

Actually, I made an offhand comment on page 1 of this thread that was exaggerating the political stupidity of the nation.

I bet you a million quatloos that the comment that got everyone riled up was not

Opposition wants bible classes, government wants internet filtering.

I need to leave this country ASAP.

as you seem to think, but

Of course the rampant stupidity displayed by politician's pipe dreams aren't the only or main reason I want to leave. I hate that we don't have a bill of rights. I hate the political false dichotomy between authoritarian centre-right Liberals and authoritarian centre-centre-right Labour. I hate the absolutely shoddy internet speeds and the associated ludicrous pricing. I hate the bizarre 60% markup Video Games get here. I hate that I'm never going to be able to own a firearm more impressive than "centrefire .22 LR bolt action" (which sucks because I've always wanted to collect and fire WW2 rifles, and even after jumping through the olympic sized hurdles I have to in order to get my hands on any guns at all, I'll never be able to buy a Garand, STV-40 or G43).

[adam_grif]

Yes, the result of being constantly quizzed on the subject as this thread went off the rails faster than the Beijing to Qingdao express.

I would indeed one day like to live somewhere else, ideally somewhere that can give me any one of a number of things. But despite wanting it for a variety of reasons, many of which are quite legitimate, you insist that I deserve to be hated for this, that I'm stupid for this, and so on. It's like you've recognized that you're being a douche, so you're trying to salvage dignity by insisting that the less-serious or superficial reasons are the only ones I have, and taking lighthearted or obviously joking remarks as though I'm being deadly serious. I can't emphasize enough just how amusing the intense butthurt you are displaying is.

Don't expect me to be continuing this discussion, people may make up their minds about it as they please.

[Lusankya]

Yes, the result of being constantly quizzed on the subject as this thread went off the rails faster than the Beijing to Qingdao express.

I count ONE [1] person actually quizzing you on the first statement before you replied with the second. TWO [2] if you count Stark making a comment that seemed (to me anyway) more a comment on the national character of the debate than it was addressing you individually. I guess when you come from a place where everyone has five heads, you start to think that one person asking you to clarify is being "constantly quizzed", since you always imagine every statement coming out of five mouths.

I would indeed one day like to live somewhere else, ideally somewhere that can give me any one of a number of things. But despite wanting it for a variety of reasons, many of which are quite legitimate, you insist that I deserve to be hated for this, that I'm stupid for this, and so on. It's like you've recognized that you're being a douche, so you're trying to salvage dignity by insisting that the less-serious or superficial reasons are the only ones I have, and taking lighthearted or obviously joking remarks as though I'm being deadly serious. I can't emphasize enough just how amusing the intense butthurt you are displaying is.

Don't expect me to be continuing this discussion, people may make up their minds about it as they please.

Let's list your reasons for leaving, shall we, and see why people disagreed with you, shall we?

Lack of bill of rights
- Doesn't actually affect the upholding of rights in the country

Dichotomy between "authoritarian" Liberal and "authoritarian" Labor
- not everyone shares your opinion on what constitutes "authoritarian"
- the same dichotomy exists in almost every country (and is thus not a particularly good reason for going elsewhere)

Internet speeds
- minor inconvenience, and is in the process of being improved by the government

Video game prices
- lol
- seriously, lol

Gun rights
- oh no, you can't get a dangerous luxury good

Marijuana
- doesn't actually affect you
- you could just move to SA (but I'd rather you don't, it is a nice state)

Gay rights
- doesn't actually affect you
- in the process of improving

Now, of the above, the most legitimate is the Labor/Liberal dichotomy one, but nobody is buying your "they are super-authoritarian" argument or your underlying assumption that increased authoritarianism is automatically a bad thing. (I, for one, fully support increased authoritarianism when it comes to enforcing road rules, for example.) Nor is anyone buying the idea that the two-party dichotomy is not a common phoenomenon.

One (bill of rights) is a symbolic measure: nothing more.
Three (guns, video games and the internet) are because you want some of your hobbies to be more convenient.
And the last two (marijuana and gay marriage) impact your life in no way, shape or form.

I would hardly call that "many" legitimate complaints.

Stark indicated that he himself wanted to leave the country - but that your reasons were petty. I have already left the country, for reasons that I elaborated on earlier. However, the reasons that you gave for choosing to leave consisted mainly of the petty, and despite claiming to want to leave, you have obviously put no thought into the matter aside from "I am mildly dissatisfied". If everyone's really jumping down the throat of everyone who wants to leave Australia, why are they jumping down yours and not mine or Stark's?

And we don't hate you because you want to leave: we hate you because over your posting, you have indicated that you are a libertarian wanker.

[Serafina]

You see, if you actually stated that
-you want to leave to a specific country (or to several ones and you have not decided yet)
-and give us some reasonable reasons instead of "hurr, sl0w internetZ"
then we might actually take you seriously.

But the way you are talking, you are just the stereotypcial internet tough guy.
You do not have the guts to actually leave your country, and i am openly questioning your ability to do so even if you wanted to. Someone who wants to leave a country for a bunch of things that do not affect him (unless you are gay or smoking wheed) and for cheaper games&internet (which means that you are too poor to start over anyway, or that it is a very minor inconvenience) clearly has not the mental capability and maturity to move to another country.

[bobalot]

Oh hey, I can summarize the whole thread with this:

This is hilarious, there is another person in this thread who wants to leave Australia, you stupid twat. Do you see anybody ridiculing her?

Perhaps it's your pathetically whiney reasons for reasons that are the subject of mockery? But feel free to make yourself into a martyr, who has to endure being mocked for being a complete twat.

You still haven't given any evidence how the Labor and Liberal parties are authoritarian. Some arbitrary graph does not count. Surely you can provide examples.
You still haven't shown how a lack of bill of rights undermines rights in Australia.
You still haven't told us what country would be ideal for you.

You know what Adam, let me know what country you want to run to and I will buy you a one way ticket. Seriously.

I would pitch in $50.

[Shroom Man 777]

See Lusy-chan, I was right that a lot of Westerners end up supporting silly things like libertarianisms, anti-vaccinations, and moving because of actually-silly things like videogame prices and owning dumb firearms because most of these silly Westerners are actually overprivileged to the point where their primary concern in life is fucking nintendoo games and 56k intertube speeds rather than, say, their overall social welfare and quality of life because they're so spoiled with their decent standards of living that they think that such non-issues as luxuries like videogames and owning stupid guns is so important when, really, it's not important at all and has much intrinsic value as some dumb bimbo bitching about her nosejob or breast implants (except the masculine he-man version of silicone titties is, like, rar guns and shit).

I would love to trade places with adam and live in Austria, so here in my countries he can buy as many cheap games as he wants and he can have all my guns and even my boxes of 10-years-lasting MREs with chemical heaters because in the big picture none of that is really important as a prosperous nation with decent healthcare, decent government, good education, and people not butchering each other in the streets with machetes.

[Stofsk]

You mean Australia, surely, Shroom Man?

Some of the things Adam mentions are things I agree with, but I wouldn't leave the country over it. There are far better reasons to leave if it has to come down to it. That said, I don't see why everyone is dogpiling on him.

[Lusankya]

See Lusy-chan, I was right that a lot of Westerners end up supporting silly things like libertarianisms, anti-vaccinations, and moving because of actually-silly things like videogame prices and owning dumb firearms because most of these silly Westerners are actually overprivileged to the point where their primary concern in life is fucking nintendoo games and 56k intertube speeds rather than, say, their overall social welfare and quality of life because they're so spoiled with their decent standards of living that they think that such non-issues as luxuries like videogames and owning stupid guns is so important when, really, it's not important at all and has much intrinsic value as some dumb bimbo bitching about her nosejob or breast implants (except the masculine he-man version of silicone titties is, like, rar guns and shit).

Do you think I'm silly for wanting to move to China, Shroomy? I mean, I know that objectively speaking Australia's better to live in than China, and that my quality of life here is basically dependent on me getting special privileges due to being a foreigner, but I still like it here. The price of video games didn't really factor into my thinking, and the matter social welfare is one thing that actually gives me pause. But in the end, I like it more here, I like the people more, and I actually feel like I want to make China a better place, whereas I couldn't give a shit about half the people in Australia, because they're bogan shitheads. Is is fairly illogical though.

Some of the things Adam mentions are things I agree with, but I wouldn't leave the country over it. There are far better reasons to leave if it has to come down to it.

The last bit is what I think annoyed everyone: the reasons he gave, while being sources of mild discontent, are bollocks when it comes to reasons to leave the country, and he really just sounds like some kid who wants to run away from home because his parents won't buy him an ipod. If he'd given some less pithy reasons or demonstrated that he was aware of what the situation was like in other countries (and the difficulty of relocating internationally - it's not as though you suddenly gain the benefits of being a citizen of another country just by relocating there), then I think he would have been a lot better received.

And, of course, people who say crap like, "I believe strongly in personal freedom, for myself. Everybody else can go get fucked. The perfect country lets me roam around immune to the law, gives me free money and has a national holiday dedicated to me," are dickheads who piss people off more than they would were they merely stupid.

[The_Saint]

You mean Australia, surely, Shroom Man?

Some of the things Adam mentions are things I agree with, but I wouldn't leave the country over it. There are far better reasons to leave if it has to come down to it. That said, I don't see why everyone is dogpiling on him.

Because he played with fire by whining about what most would consider petty reasons to leave but has demonstrated little actual intent. I suspect the "dogpiling" could be summarised by "Put up or shut up"

If he takes Chris' offer I'll help spring for the ticket out of Tas just so I know we have one less person lowering our reputation in the mainlands eyes.

[Shroom Man 777]

Yes, maybe Stofsk is right that the dogpiling is bads, and I did mean Australia but I like misspelling and deliberately misnaming obvious things to amuse myself (if it does not detract from my point)... like how when Lusy-chan talks to me in Chineses or something, I always reply with random nonsense Japanese words.

Do you think I'm silly for wanting to move to China, Shroomy? I mean, I know that objectively speaking Australia's better to live in than China, and that my quality of life here is basically dependent on me getting special privileges due to being a foreigner, but I still like it here. The price of video games didn't really factor into my thinking, and the matter social welfare is one thing that actually gives me pause. But in the end, I like it more here, I like the people more, and I actually feel like I want to make China a better place, whereas I couldn't give a shit about half the people in Australia, because they're bogan shitheads. Is is fairly illogical though.

I think the fact that you personally feel more comfortable with the Chinese culture, people and language, and seem to genuinely display an (albeit irrational) affection for that country and the way of life of those people, and that your dissatisfaction with your native land stems from more personal reasons or something makes it not-as-sillies. I mean, your reason is basically "I feel more comfortable/happier/funner in Chinas rather than Austrias".

It seems like a better reason for emigrating than video games, internet connection speed and fucking gun ownership - like, three of the dumbest most spoiled and blah-est reasons imaginable. Personally.

But, I don't know, I guess it really is a matter of personal preference and people really have the right to choose where they want to live in, and where they don't want to live in, for all sorts of reasons - both good and dumb. I mean, if adam finds the same amount of satisfaction with cheap video games, fast internet and guns that you would find in living in/with a culture and society and people you find much more likable... well, I guess from the standpoint of both your perspectives it's more or less the same?

I mean, shit, other people like to emigrate to places because they want to have Mail Order Filipina Brides or because they're corrupt materialistic assholes who want to live in tax havens. Eh, I guess dumb video games, dumb internet speed and dumb guns is no less valid a reason if it's that important to him. Blah.

[Stark]

There's a difference between personal preference to leave a country (for which there are plenty of great reasons regarding AU, especially in the near future) and personal preference to gasbag about how horrible and oppressive and horrible it is to be here. Changing industries and targeting admission criteria is one thing (which a great many people I know are doing right now) and saying OMG TEH GAMZ SO SPENSIVE is another.

I mean fuck, import games from UK = instant 50% discount. Not that he cares, since he admits he and his roommates need more bandwidth purely for piracy.

To be honest, while I think China is a disgusting backwards shithole, Alison's cultural and social perspective on 'comfort' is very interesting. I'll hopefully be visiting Taiwan soon, so I'm eager to see if it's similar, as a lot of the things that make her feel more comfortable in China sound pretty neat.

[Lusankya]

China's pretty interesting in some ways, which I think is in part due to the "top-down" nature of some of the reforms.

If you look at women's rights, for instance, quite a lot of it was actually implemented by men, starting with the Chinese Republic, and then continuing under the PRC (Mao might have been a womanising bastard, but he also did a lot of good for women in China). But since it's all been government policy rather than a grass-roots movement like it was in the West, the difference between how things work on paper and how things work in real life is a lot greater than it is in the west. At the same time, even though the inherent sexism in China is more pervasive in China than it is in the west, it's in many ways more related to indifference than being active sexism.

The way racism works here is pretty weird too. They do all of the racial profiling shit that you see amongst poorly educated people, but it's not really accompanied by any of the "hur hur get out foreigners" crap that you see in Australia. The worst aspect of it is when they assume you're poor because of your ethnicity, and then you have to prove to them that you have money. (Mainland Chinese are super-biased against poor people, because they think poor people are uneducated and probably criminals.)

I don't know how it compares with Taiwan. I'll pretty much guarantee that it has the attitude towards education and society that I mentioned before, but one of the other reasons why I like China is that the society - as opposed to the government - is actually incredibly welcoming. All you need to do to be welcomed here is show an interest in China, and soon you'll be tripping over people who are adopting you as their daughter and telling you all about random bits of artwork and teaching you songs. Not having been to Taiwan, I don't know if they have the same attitude or not.

[Shroom Man 777]

Um, the Chinese here have the same attitude towards poor people as well. The "racism" here is more or less directed towards lower socioeconomic groups who act "barbaric" or are otherwise uncultured or perceived as uncivilized whereas that sorta thing is non-existent towards more better off people.

Great, Lusy-chan, you've hijacked another thread into a Chinesey thing.

[Lusankya]

I think the key thing is that people can (theoretically) change something about being poor and uneducated, but they can't change having the wrong colour skin.

I would imagine that "racism" would manifest itself similarly in Taiwan, save for the fact that Taiwan had a significant Japanese influence during the last century which may have affected the culture somewhat.

EDIT: Odds are they're pretty welcoming though. Han culture seems to be like that.

[Stark]

My girlfriend's family is apparently 'native' Taiwanese rather than nationalist refugees, so I'm not sure what impact that will have. I'm interested anyway and my Chinese has gone from 'terrible' to 'terrible but with sentences', so it should be fun if we can arrange it.

[Lusankya]

'Native' Taiwanese is still Han, unless she's from one of the aboriginal tribes, which I know almost nothing about save for the fact that they exist.

If you're actually making an effort to improve your Chinese and actually be interested though, they'll probably just be pleased that you're not one of those gits who likes to run around the entire world pretending that everybody speaks English.

[mr friendly guy]

This thread certainly taken a turn since I last browsed. But seriously, even if Chris and co paid for the whiner's one way ticket, he still has to find a country which will accept him. Given that he is worried about video game prices I don't think he is exactly going to be providing a financial windfall for the country receiving him.

Back to the actual article, at least circe 1992 when I was in primary school, we still had to learn about religion in WA. I don't remember having to do that in SA (and I moved interstate in that year). You were allowed to apply for an exemption from religious teaching of course, and some of those applying for exemptions were themselves Christians.

Now I am not sure if this is still done, but its one thing to teach that people have differing beliefs (in social studies classes or whatever they call it these days), and another to teach it as real and the word of God. Given Abbott's past behaviour and current words it seems he is implying the latter, and after pressure from the government he has plenty of time to backtrack and pretend he means the former. I am unaware he tried to claim the former though, so really Abbott just looks as stupid as he always does.

Do you think I'm silly for wanting to move to China, Shroomy? I mean, I know that objectively speaking Australia's better to live in than China, and that my quality of life here is basically dependent on me getting special privileges due to being a foreigner, but I still like it here. The price of video games didn't really factor into my thinking, and the matter social welfare is one thing that actually gives me pause. But in the end, I like it more here, I like the people more, and I actually feel like I want to make China a better place, whereas I couldn't give a shit about half the people in Australia, because they're bogan shitheads. Is is fairly illogical though.

I find it also hard to care for bogan shit heads, although I do see several of them at work and am paid to care for them.
But when you grow up and have bogans make you feel unwelcome because of bullshit reasons like ethnicity, you feel alienation and find it hard to feel patriotism. I guess thats a really shit reason to feel very little patriotism aside from supporting sporting teams. What I need is a better reason to justify why I feel this way. Oh I know, slow internet speeds and "expensive" video games. Got it.
If you are interested in improving China, perhaps you could donate to some microfinance charity system they are running. With the exchange rates as they are 1 AUD = 6 Ren Min Bi you could make a decent contribution.

BTW shroomy - I hear a lot of Filipino's move overseas and send remittances back to the home country. One of my colleagues is a Filipino doctor. Australia AFAIK is still on the look out for nurses. If you ever come to WA give me a message.

[Lusankya]

Back to the actual article, at least circe 1992 when I was in primary school, we still had to learn about religion in WA. I don't remember having to do that in SA (and I moved interstate in that year). You were allowed to apply for an exemption from religious teaching of course, and some of those applying for exemptions were themselves Christians.

Don't recall anyone I know having to do that in SA, except for people who went to denominational private schools - but from what I gather, at St Peter's at least, it's closer to "teach that people have differing beliefs" than "make everyone Anglican". I had to go to church every three weeks or so when I was a boarder, but that's the price of going to a "non-denominational school with a Christian ethos". Usually I went to the Cathedral, because it was in the morning and didn't cut into Sunday evening television, and we could go to Dairy Bell on the way back. Apparently the new boarding house mistress isn't such a hard-up about church though.

SA did have compulsory Australian Studies classes in year 10, though, which was mostly talking about how SA was more awesome than those other states because they were racist convict bastards, but we were settled by enlightened folk.

I find it also hard to care for bogan shit heads, although I do see several of them at work and am paid to care for them.
But when you grow up and have bogans make you feel unwelcome because of bullshit reasons like ethnicity, you feel alienation and find it hard to feel patriotism. I guess thats a really shit reason to feel very little patriotism aside from supporting sporting teams. What I need is a better reason to justify why I feel this way. Oh I know, slow internet speeds and "expensive" video games. Got it.
If you are interested in improving China, perhaps you could donate to some microfinance charity system they are running. With the exchange rates as they are 1 AUD = 6 Ren Min Bi you could make a decent contribution.

I'm thinking of doing some volunteering out west during the summer holidays, though I dunno - I think my dad wants me to get a (paying) part time job. It'd be nice if I had time to do both, so maybe I'll leave the volunteering until the year after. In any case, I want to get a job here when I graduate, but in a "regional development" capacity rather than an "exploiting the poor not-quite-white-enough-people" capacity.

BTW shroomy - I hear a lot of Filipino's move overseas and send remittances back to the home country. One of my colleagues is a Filipino doctor. Australia AFAIK is still on the look out for nurses. If you ever come to WA give me a message.

Hey! I'm already telling him to go to SA and become Mr Flibble's new housemate! Don't you try to be stealing our migrants!

[Shroom Man 777]

People are fighting over me! I am flattereds! I am a terrible nuers, mr friendly guy, I'll end up ruining your hostipal and farting audibly while you perform an episiorraphy or something (this did happen) and get laughed at.

But when you grow up and have bogans make you feel unwelcome because of bullshit reasons like ethnicity, you feel alienation and find it hard to feel patriotism.

Where are you from (what ethnicity are you) then?

[mr friendly guy]

People are fighting over me! I am flattereds! I am a terrible nuers, mr friendly guy, I'll end up ruining your hostipal and farting audibly while you perform an episiorraphy or something (this did happen) and get laughed at.

But when you grow up and have bogans make you feel unwelcome because of bullshit reasons like ethnicity, you feel alienation and find it hard to feel patriotism.

Where are you from (what ethnicity are you) then?

I am Chinese dude. Born in Singapore. My grandmother came from Hainan Island, famous for its sunny beaches and captured American spy planes.

[Shroom Man 777]

Is racism really still that ubiquitous in Australia? I mean, over here, it's not really much aside from people commenting on what ethnicity you are, there aren't really much negative stereotypes except for people thinking that Chinese guys are all rich, and that white guys all speak English and make Filipino's noses bleed from their Engrish, or something like that. Well, that could count as racism, but nothing really negative or outright impolite outside of japing even though stereotypes (like, Indians/Arabs smell funny and Koreans are horrible tourists) do exist. But, ah, we aren't typically as frank or as "in your face" about stuff unlike westerners, and we like to act polite and hospitable.

[Lusankya]

Western racism is different from Chinese racism.

Chinese racism is largely based around stereotypes and so on, and maybe laughing at the enormity of someone's nose and wondering how they could ever survive in a cold climate without it falling off.

Western racism tends to get covered with "master race" crap.

From my experience in China, Chinese people are much more open about their racism than people in the West, so it's more visible relative to the amount there is, but Western racism is far more ugly in its connotations. Even if mr friendly guy doesn't experience events on the racism spectrum as often as you would in Chinese-dominated societies, it would still leave a far stronger impression, due to that difference. Especially since most people in Australia know you're not supposed to say racist crap, so the people who fling racist insults are actually just a subsection of the actual factual people who think you're not as good as they are because you're not white.