A more basic SWvsST Matchup...

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-15 12:02am

What Federation object could defeat what Imperial object, in a relatively fair/decent fight?

Assume competence of whatever is manning it, that it can actually fight and all that other good stuff to be fair and even about it.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-02-15 12:21am

Well. The Enterprise-E might be able to take an X-Wing in a fight.

Could almost certainly take out an unshielded TIE, if torpedos can be proximity detonated.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 12:22am

Kerneth wrote:Well. The Enterprise-E might be able to take an X-Wing in a fight.

Could almost certainly take out an unshielded TIE, if torpedos can be proximity detonated.

The words...sad but true ring in my head...

Anyone have specs for an imperial garbage scow?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-15 12:23am

E-E vs. Slave 1, or E-E vs Millenium Falcon maybe.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-02-15 12:36am

I haven't participated in these debates for a while, but I think many people at this board would think those SW ships would win, gnome.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-02-15 12:37am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Anyone have specs for an imperial garbage scow?

You took that from the chat!

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-15 12:38am

Shadow wrote:I haven't participated in these debates for a while, but I think many people at this board would think those SW ships would win, gnome.

*shrugs* In which case we take it down a notch. X-Wings adn TIE Fighters.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 12:45am

RogueIce wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Anyone have specs for an imperial garbage scow?
You took that from the chat!

I know...I'm the one that said it in the chat

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-15 12:50am

A corvette...if...IF not armed with any MTLs.

It would have helluva more staying power but wouldn't have anywhere near instanta killmost the others ships would have.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-15 01:03am

Lancer class frigate vs. Vor'Cha battleship

Odo vs. Zam Wessell

Redshirts vs. Gungans

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 01:06am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Lancer class frigate vs. Vor'Cha battleship

Odo vs. Zam Wessell

Redshirts vs. Gungans

That last one is likely to be the messiest battle ever....

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-15 01:09am

Well, the E-E will probably take out the TYE-wing.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-15 02:31am

Uglies maybe

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-15 03:06am

Perhaps an escape pod vs. a Borg Cube.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 03:27am

Captain tycho wrote:Perhaps an escape pod vs. a Borg Cube.

Hmm are you sure?

I mean....if it actually collides with the cube....

Seriously (at last) I'd say uglies are about the fairest matchup you're likely to get.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-02-15 08:14am

How about a system patrol craft vs a Galgaxy?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-15 08:51am

I would say E-E vs Carrak would be about right.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-02-15 09:21am

Admiral Johnason wrote:I would say E-E vs Carrak would be about right.

Explain? Carrack Cruisers have, I believe, multiple LTL batteries, and even light turbolasers are far more powerful than phasers or photon torpedos. The Carrack isn't a top-of-the-line design, by any means, but just because it's old and relatively small (compared to the ISDs and Mon Cal Cruisers) doesn't mean it isn't an effective warship.

SCI-Fi_Freak · Post by **SCI-Fi_Freak** » 2003-02-15 10:36am

Yeah some uglies would be pretty fair, considering how weak phasers are and the fact that they are as powerful as the laser cannons on the Slave-1 which couldn't even take out Obi-Wan Kenobi

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-02-15 10:37am

Name/Type: Carrack-class Cruiser
Designer/Manufacturer: Damorian Manufacturing
Combat Role: Light Cruiser
Crew: 1,007 + 85 Gunners
Length: 350 meters
Speed: 100 MGLT, 1,050 Kph
Hyperdrive: x1
Shield Rating: 880 SBD
Hull Rating: 480 RU
Weapons: 10 Heavy Taim & Bak Turbolaser Batteries, 20 Laser Cannons, 5 Phylon Tractor Beam Projectors.
Fighter Complement: 3 Starfighters.
Troops: 142 Stormtroopers.
Support Craft: 1 dropship.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 10:43am

nightmare wrote:Name/Type: Carrack-class Cruiser
Designer/Manufacturer: Damorian Manufacturing
Combat Role: Light Cruiser
Crew: 1,007 + 85 Gunners
Length: 350 meters
Speed: 100 MGLT, 1,050 Kph
Hyperdrive: x1
Shield Rating: 880 SBD
Hull Rating: 480 RU
Weapons: 10 Heavy Taim & Bak Turbolaser Batteries, 20 Laser Cannons, 5 Phylon Tractor Beam Projectors.
Fighter Complement: 3 Starfighters.
Troops: 142 Stormtroopers.
Support Craft: 1 dropship.

Dropship?

As I recall it could only carry a max of 4 external rack mounted ties....a standard carrack design has no hanger so external mounts are the only option.

As for the weapons....the standard armarments IIRC was ion cannons not lasers.....but I may be wrong on that.....

The final icing on the cake....10 HTL's.....

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-02-15 10:49am

Kerneth wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:I would say E-E vs Carrak would be about right.
Explain? Carrack Cruisers have, I believe, multiple LTL batteries, and even light turbolasers are far more powerful than phasers or photon torpedos. The Carrack isn't a top-of-the-line design, by any means, but just because it's old and relatively small (compared to the ISDs and Mon Cal Cruisers) doesn't mean it isn't an effective warship.

LTL batteries are around 7 KT IIRC. Thats not a major threat. However Carrack Cruisers also carry a handful of HTLs IIRC. Thats a different story.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-02-15 10:56am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Dropship?

As I recall it could only carry a max of 4 external rack mounted ties....a standard carrack design has no hanger so external mounts are the only option.

As for the weapons....the standard armarments IIRC was ion cannons not lasers.....but I may be wrong on that.....

The final icing on the cake....10 HTL's.....

It can carry 1 dropship and 3 fighters, or 4 fighters, all on external mounts. Yes, it can have ion cannons instead of lasers.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-15 11:01am

Alyeska wrote: LTL batteries are around 7 KT IIRC. Thats not a major threat. However Carrack Cruisers also carry a handful of HTLs IIRC. Thats a different story.

*BZZT* Wrong.

The point-defense lasers on the surface of the TF Core Ship are rated at 8 kilotons apiece.

LTLs likely rank several hundred KT AT LEAST. The ligher weapons on the Acclamator are 6 MT apiece.

Lancers are light enough so at best they carry heavy lasers/LTLs and their shields are not top. (Likely sacrificed for better manuverability/speed). A fleet of Federation ships could take it.

A Lancer would probably be equal to a Borg Cube in terms of threat.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-02-15 11:05am

Alyeska wrote: LTL batteries are around 7 KT IIRC. Thats not a major threat. However Carrack Cruisers also carry a handful of HTLs IIRC. Thats a different story.

7 KT for LTLs?

TIE lasers = 1 KT. Capship lasers = 6 MT. Where would this 7 KT LTL be? Wasn't the AT-AT lasers rated at a minimum of 16 KT recently..