SDN World 3 Commentary Thread II

[Steve]

*nod* Cool.

[CmdrWilkens]

So Shep what happened to your nation being so rabidly anti-communist that they would attack Mexican shipping for going to war with Portugal?

Also for the record:
A) The Nicaraguan Canal doesn't exist yet, it won't exist until 1932 at the earliest
B) Everybody was fine with the situation from 1914-ish to 1925 where only one nation controlled a transcontinental canal but suddenly Mexican control versus Colombian control is a cause for sending armies out?
C) The war has been going on for 11 days...just chartering shipping to move armies would probably take that long. Hell the volunteer planes aren't even going to be in action until D+12 at the earliest and their support base is much smaller than an Army

[Steve]

Good question. Though he seems to be getting around the "Anti-Communist" bit by claiming he's doing it with Cisplatina, not Brazil, and apparently plans for said army to overthrow the Colombian government too.....

[CmdrWilkens]

Good question. Though he seems to be getting around the "Anti-Communist" bit by claiming he's doing it with Cisplatina, not Brazil, and apparently plans for said army to overthrow the Colombian government too.....

Yes but that is no more of a distance to tread than when I was gonna be attacked for attacking someone who was attacking communists. Unless Cisplatina actually invades Colombia (and there are a long list of reasons why that is ridiculous) this could only be used against Mexico which means FOR Colombia (and thus aiding the evil communists). In other words my spies must now diligently uncover this plot so that Shep's government will be overthrown.

[Ryan Thunder]

In other words my spies must now diligently uncover this plot so that Shep's government will be overthrown.

Oh, well, if that's the case, then the Department of Ungentlemanly Warfare should be blowing up ammunition ships in your harbours any time now.

[MKSheppard]

So Shep what happened to your nation being so rabidly anti-communist that they would attack Mexican shipping for going to war with Portugal?

For the record I don't give a damn about points A and B.

The war has been going on for 11 days...just chartering shipping to move armies would probably take that long. Hell the volunteer planes aren't even going to be in action until D+12 at the earliest and their support base is much smaller than an Army

You forget that these guys were enshipped for an entirely different action -- supporting the Manchurians. I'm just changing their sailing orders.

[Steve]

Still presumes they get there in time for the battles, that their purpose remains unknown to any power that would not want to see Shepistan gain the Canal, and that the Colombians themselves accept it, because the idea of you pulling off an amphibious op with those distances involved makes me laugh.

[MKSheppard]

Still presumes they get there in time for the battles, that their purpose remains unknown to any power that would not want to see Shepistan gain the Canal, and that the Colombians themselves accept it, because the idea of you pulling off an amphibious op with those distances involved makes me laugh.

There's no amphibious op involved. We sail into a random Gran Colombian atlantic port; and use the port's heavy cargo winches and cranes and other fun things to unload. We then use trains (MAGIC, I know); to move to our attacking positions in the Ithsmus of Panama.

By the time the troops arrive in Gran Columbia and have completed unloading, I'd have to say that the traffic bottleneck caused by Ryan feeding all his troops into Panama has eased up a bit, allowing me to slowly feed in units of my armies into Panama a bit at a time.

I expect them to be in position by like D+50 to D+90.

[Steve]

You're assuming Ryan will let the troops of a violently anti-Socialist state, one that just months ago proclaimed it would rigorously search all his ships that entered adjoining sea zones, enter his country, especially since he already knows you intend to try and overthrow his government. Moreover, you're presuming the Brazilian Navy lets you do this.

[Lascaris]

Why exactly should aircraft be downgraded to Risk levels given the detail going into frex ships?

Because some of us truly don't give a shit?

Shall we make the ships then standardized models like BB1925, BB1920 and so on with fixed size and capacity of course? By the same logic you don't give a shit for aircraft why should someone give a shit for the ships?

[Lascaris]

So Shep what happened to your nation being so rabidly anti-communist that they would attack Mexican shipping for going to war with Portugal?

Also for the record:
A) The Nicaraguan Canal doesn't exist yet, it won't exist until 1932 at the earliest
B) Everybody was fine with the situation from 1914-ish to 1925 where only one nation controlled a transcontinental canal but suddenly Mexican control versus Colombian control is a cause for sending armies out?
C) The war has been going on for 11 days...just chartering shipping to move armies would probably take that long. Hell the volunteer planes aren't even going to be in action until D+12 at the earliest and their support base is much smaller than an Army

Speaking for Cisplatina alone regarding A and B there is the minor difference that the Gran Colombians built themselves their toy to play with. Mexico is invading to steal it away from them without even any serious pretext. So no an aggressive Mexico taking over control of the Panama canal and then controlling both Atlantic-Pacific canals does not appear to be in our geopolitical interests.

Hence my version of the Condor Legion and selling arms to Gran Colombia. Though profit certainly plays a huge role for the second.

[Lascaris]

You're assuming Ryan will let the troops of a violently anti-Socialist state, one that just months ago proclaimed it would rigorously search all his ships that entered adjoining sea zones, enter his country, especially since he already knows you intend to try and overthrow his government. Moreover, you're presuming the Brazilian Navy lets you do this.

That's up to Gran Colombia and Brazil I'd think. My diplomatic services just pass the mail around.

[Norseman]

You're assuming Ryan will let the troops of a violently anti-Socialist state, one that just months ago proclaimed it would rigorously search all his ships that entered adjoining sea zones, enter his country, especially since he already knows you intend to try and overthrow his government. Moreover, you're presuming the Brazilian Navy lets you do this.

That's up to Gran Colombia and Brazil I'd think. My diplomatic services just pass the mail around.

Actually there isn't much I could do to stop the Shepistani ships if they come across the Pacific, after all I'm pretty much a one ocean navy. That said we'll see...

[Thanas]

Alright, asked Beowulf for his terms for a peace treaty. He apparently wants the Soviet Union to surrender unconditionally. I guess this will mean the war will drag on forever unless another power jumps in.

[loomer]

Don't worry, I'm sure the tides will be turned when the freshly conquered Shepistan sends its reconstructed army into Manchuria!

Actually, Shep, that covert action got detected when Steve did the rolls - mind if I take limited control of your forces for a post of a small firefight there with my troops as the definite losers?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Alright, asked Beowulf for his terms for a peace treaty. He apparently wants the Soviet Union to surrender unconditionally. I guess this will mean the war will drag on forever unless another power jumps in.

Me: Haha.
Shady: Haha.
*Drinks Vodka*

[Steve]

What were his terms, out of curiosity?

[Thanas]

He demanded the complete and unconditional surrender of the Soviet Union. That was the only thing he wrote.

[Ryan Thunder]

He demanded the complete and unconditional surrender of the Soviet Union. That was the only thing he wrote.

Oh well, he's an imbecile. But that's nothing we didn't know already.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

He demanded the complete and unconditional surrender of the Soviet Union. That was the only thing he wrote.

"Nuts!"



I mean seriously, if he wants a bigger fight, he can bring it on.

[Norseman]

What the heck is it with people here and demanding unconditional surrenders?

[loomer]

Maybe Afghanistan should take a moment from its busy schedule of developing germ warfare and trying not to be steamrolled to offer to host peace talks.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Shall we make the ships then standardized models like BB1925, BB1920 and so on with fixed size and capacity of course? By the same logic you don't give a shit for aircraft why should someone give a shit for the ships?

The bigger difference is that there are lots more aircraft manufacturers then, and I have no damn intention of going through an entire catalogue of aircraft made by manufacturers just waiting to go bankrupt or collapse or bought over in the next few decades.

[DarthShady]

*nod* Cool.

I'm assuming my construction is cool with the mods then?

He demanded the complete and unconditional surrender of the Soviet Union. That was the only thing he wrote.

I haven't laughed this hard in days. What the hell is Beo thinking?

[Steve]

He demanded the complete and unconditional surrender of the Soviet Union. That was the only thing he wrote.

.....please bear with me Thanas, but I find that so incredulous I'm still having trouble believing it.



Somebody is getting a L.J. Gibbs-style Dope Slap to the head when I get the full details.