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China says missile defence test a success

Beijing terms system “defensive in nature and is not targeted at any country”
Christopher Bodeen

Beijing — The Associated Press Published on Monday, Jan. 11, 2010 2:15PM EST

China announced that its military intercepted a missile in mid-flight Monday in a test of new technology that comes amid heightened tensions over Taiwan and increased willingness by the Asian giant to show off its advanced military capabilities.

The official Xinhua News Agency reported late Monday that “ground-based midcourse missile interception technology” was tested within Chinese territory.

“The test has achieved the expected objective,” the three-sentence report said. “The test is defensive in nature and is not targeted at any country.”

Monday's report follows repeated complaints in recent days by Beijing over the sale by the U.S. of weaponry to Taiwan, including PAC-3 air defence missiles. These sales are driven by threats from China to use force to bring the island under its control, backed up by an estimated 1,300 Chinese ballistic missiles positioned along the Taiwan Strait.

Communist-ruled China split with Taiwan amid civil war in 1949 and continues to regard the self-governing democracy as part of its territory. Beijing has warned of a disruption in ties with Washington if the sale goes ahead, but has not said what specific actions it would take.

China's military is in the middle of a major technology upgrade, spurred on by double-digit annual percentage increases in defence spending. Missile technology is considered one of the People's Liberation Army's particular strengths, allowing it to narrow the gap with the U.S. and other militaries that wield stronger conventional forces.

Xinhua did not further identify the system tested, although China is believed to be pursuing a number of programs developed from anti-aircraft systems aimed at shooting down stealth aircraft and downing or disabling cruise missiles and precision-guided weapons.

Such programs are shrouded in secrecy, but military analysts say China appears to have augmented its air defences with homemade technologies adapted from Russian and other foreign weaponry. China purchased a large number of Russian surface-to-air missiles during the 1990s and has since pressed ahead with its own HQ-9 interceptor, along with a more advanced missile system with an extended range.

Foreign media reports in 2006 said Beijing had tested a surface-to-air missile in the country's remote northwest with capabilities similar to the American Patriot interceptor system. According to South Korea's Dong-A Ilbo newspaper, the test involved the detection and downing of both a reconnaissance drone and an incoming ballistic missile by an interceptor, adding that it appeared to mark the official launch of China's indigenous interceptor unit.

“There is an obvious concern in Beijing that they need an effective anti-ballistic missile defence in some form,” said Hans Kristensen, an expert on the Chinese military with the Federation of American Scientists.

Staging a successful test “shows that their technology is maturing,” Mr. Kristensen said.

The 2009 Pentagon report on China's military says the air force received eight battalions of upgraded Russian SA-20 PMU-2 surface-to-air missiles since 2006, with another eight on order. The missiles have a range of 200 kilometres and reportedly provide limited ballistic and cruise missile defence capabilities.

Such interceptor missiles are believed to be deployed near major cities and strategic sites such as the massive Three Gorges Dam, but they could also be used to protect China's own ballistic missile batteries that would themselves become targets in any regional conflict.

Such interceptors would be of relatively little use against U.S. cruise missiles, although they could be effective against ballistic missiles deployed by Russia or India, China's massive neighbour to the south with which it has a growing military rivalry and lingering territorial disputes.

Monday's report continues a growing trend of greater transparency over China's new military technologies typified by last year's striking Oct. 1 military parade marking the 60th anniversary of the founding of the communist state. Large numbers of missiles were displayed in the show, including ICBMs, together with tanks, amphibious craft and latest-generation jet fighters.

China's anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles — capable of striking U.S. Navy aircraft carrier battle groups and bases in the Pacific — have drawn the most attention from analysts in recent months.

Military displays and announcements of successful tests help build public pride in the military's rising capabilities and bolster support for rising defence spending that increased by almost 15 per cent last year to $71 billion. The figure is thought by many analysts to represent only a portion of total defence spending, although it still amounts to only a fraction of the U.S. military budget.

Meanwhile, showing off such capabilities also helps put adversaries on notice, Mr. Kristensen said.

“It's the new Chinese way to signal that they are now able to do these things,” he said.
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No idea on what the range was of the intercepted target though. I'd guess a DF-21 or DF-25 though.
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There's no "Russian SA-20 PMU-2", that looks like one damn bastardized designation. There's the S-300PMU-2, or just (by NATO codename) SA-20, right. ;)

Also, did they intercept a cruise missile or a ballistic one? That is not apparent from the article. What exactly did the press release say?
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Stas Bush wrote: What exactly did the press release say?
Not too much:
Xinhua wrote:BEIJING, Jan. 11 (Xinhua) -- On January 11, 2010, China conducted a test on ground-based midcourse missile interception technology within its territory. The test has achieved the expected objective. The test is defensive in nature and is not targeted at any country.
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From Times Online
January 12, 2010
China tests missile technology after Taiwan-US deal
Jane Macartney in Beijing
China has carried out a successful test of new technology to destroy missiles in mid-air, just days after the United States angered Beijing by selling Patriot missiles to arch-foe Taiwan.

The Foreign Ministry repeated Beijing’s long-held mantra that yet another display of the advancing military prowess of the People’s Liberation Army was not aimed at any country.

It said China had used “ground-based mid-course missile interception technology" but did not specify whether a missile had been destroyed.

The brief three-line report said: "The test has achieved the expected objective. The test is defensive in nature and is not targeted at any country," it quoted the Chinese Foreign Ministry as saying.
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While such tests certainly take time to set up, it seemed likely that the timing was linked to China’s rage at last week’s announcement of the sale of US weaponry to Taiwan, including PAC-3 air defence missiles.

These sales are driven by threats from China to use force to bring the island back under its control and which are backed up by an estimated 1,300 Chinese ballistic missiles positioned along the Taiwan Strait.

The Patriot PAC-3 missiles can destroy missiles in mid-air, and could be used against those deployed along China’s coast facing Taiwan.

China split with Taiwan amid civil war in 1949 and continues to regard the self-governing democracy as part of its territory. Beijing has warned of a disruption in ties with Washington if the sale goes ahead, but has not said what specific actions it would take.

In Washington, the US Defence Department said it received no advance notice but that the United States did not consider the test related to US arms sales to Taiwan.

Major Maureen Schumann, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said: “We detected two geographically separated missile launch events with an exo-atmospheric collision also being observed by space-based sensors.” She added: “We are requesting information from China regarding the purpose for conducting this interception as well as China’s intentions and plans to pursue future types of intercepts.”

China gave no further details of the system tested, although the country is pursuing a number of programmes developed from anti-aircraft systems aimed at shooting down stealth aircraft and downing or disabling cruise missiles and precision-guided weapons.

Such developments are shrouded in secrecy. Military analysts say China appears to have augmented its air defences with homemade technologies adapted from Russian and other foreign weaponry.

China purchased a large number of Russian surface-to-air missiles during the 1990s and has since pressed ahead with its own HQ-9 interceptor, along with a more advanced missile system with an extended range.

The test comes as relations with the United States may be turning chilly amid strains over the arms sale as well as economic differences.

Beijing has issued several protests against last week’s decision in Washington to clear the arms sales to Taiwan and a stinging commentary was published on Monday by the official Xinhua news agency. It warned: “Each time the United States has sold weapons to Taiwan, there has been huge damage to China-US relations. This US arms sale to Taiwan will be no exception.”

The commentary accused the Obama administration of betraying a commitment to respect each country's just a month after the US President’s first visit to Beijing. It demanded: “Immediately halt weapons sales to Taiwan to avoid damaging cooperation between China and the United States in important areas.”
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Pentagon doesn't seem to excited yet.
Pentagon says it was exo atmospheric, so I'm guessing a MRBM or IRBM.
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Can a mod please edit the title for correction to read: Successful Chinese Missile Defense Test? Many thanks.
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They actually did test an ABM system of their own in the 1970s, it never went into full production; so they didn't start from scratch.

It does illustrate graphically, what the hullaboo about ABM is *REALLY* about.

It's about whether the United States will have defenses or not. Because everyone else will, irregardless of what we decide.
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But Shep, you already had defences! You blew your chance at building a meaningful ABM around your capital because you preferred something else instead... were the system initially built around Washington, I have no doubt it would have persevered into this day and age. :) Then again, you are also heads above China and India in that you already have naval interceptors that enter operational capability. Others are yet testing the missiles.

To be fair, I would love China placing an ABM radar along with interceptors in Mexico or, say, Iran (to watch the Gulf, say)! I would totally love the squeaming that would ensue - too bad that's never gonna happen, but still, it would have been so worth the popcorn :)
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Stas Bush wrote:But Shep, you already had defences! You blew your chance at building a meaningful ABM around your capital because you preferred something else instead...
Because we've had a long succession of dumbshit Secretary of Defenses, beginning with Robert S McNamara, and continuing to Melvin Laird.
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The beginning of the end started in March 1973, when the secretary of defense issued a series of planning and programming guidance memorandums. For the next five months, these memorandums were discussed, debated and contested by JCS, the services, CONAD/NORAD and ARADCOM, but to no avail. In August the secretary of defense issued a program decision memorandum (PDM) that redefined the strategic air defense mission, eliminated the requirement for a defense against strategic bomber attacks, and concentrated on missions of warning of an impending bomber attack and airspace control. It directed a major reduction in air defense interceptors and the retirement of all existing CONUS Program I, strategic force air defense SAMs. The PDM specified that 35 of ARADCOM's 48 NIKE HERCULES batteries, less the 31st ADA Brigade in Florida, be phased out by the end of FY75, with the remaining 13 batteries inactivated by the end of FY76. This decision was also contested, but fell on deaf ears.
Basically JCS, CINCNORAD, ARADCOM, etc, all contested this; but Laird rammed it through.

The more I think about it; the more "unification" was a major mistake. It fixed a problem that didn't exist, and made it capable for one guy to screw over the US. We really need to go back to separate War, Navy and Aerospace departments, each with their own Secretaries, rather than one SecDef in charge of everything.
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Stas Bush wrote:To be fair, I would love China placing an ABM radar along with interceptors in Mexico or, say, Iran (to watch the Gulf, say)! I would totally love the squeaming that would ensue - too bad that's never gonna happen, but still, it would have been so worth the popcorn :)
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Why the hell would this would be a good thing?
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Ryan Thunder wrote:What is your malfunction?

Why the hell would this would be a good thing?
I see you can't discern between humour and serious posting, right? No wonder, Ryan. As a hint - that was but a pun on the US' willingness to place parts of it's ABM arsenal in foreign sovereign states. Apparently you're too dumb to grasp it.
MKSheppard wrote:He vocalized this change in philosophy when he stated that it was currently beyond the technological capability of the United States to meaningfully limit damage of urban areas by a well coordinated nuclear attack.
Wow. That's really stupid. "Beyond the technological capability" for the #1 industrial state in the world? With such an approach to civil defence, no wonder it sucks donkey balls.
MKSheppard wrote:eliminated the requirement for a defense against strategic bomber attacks
That must be a joke, right? "The requirement for a defence against strategic bomber attacks"? What the hell do you need strategic air defence for?
MKSheppard wrote:concentrated on missions of warning of an impending bomber attack
Warning? *laughs* What is the point of these "missions"? Man.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Why the hell would this would be a good thing?
Not sure if it'd be a good thing necessarily but it would certainly serve to give the USA a taste of its own medicine vis-a-vis the placement of radars and anti-missile defences in Eastern Europe.
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Stas Bush wrote:Wow. That's really stupid. "Beyond the technological capability" for the #1 industrial state in the world? With such an approach to civil defence, no wonder it sucks donkey balls.
Well, from the 1960s to the 1970s, the US Defense Establishment was dominated by morons such as McNamara, Laird, and Packard. It wasn't until the 1980s that Reagan put people who weren't stupid into DoD, like Cap Weinberger; who believed we could win the Cold War by outspending you guys in every area.
Stas Bush wrote:That must be a joke, right? "The requirement for a defence against strategic bomber attacks"? What the hell do you need strategic air defence for?

Well, the fact that Long Range Aviation in the 1970s had about 180 aircraft (100~ Bears and 80~ Bison-Ms) capable of reaching CONUS, certainly needed to be countered.

Also; there's an important part of Strategic Air Defense. The assets for it; e.g NIKE-HERCULES, F-106s, etc are not easily forward deployed, and are not multi-role; so they can't be pulled away at whim.

The F-15A and F-14A were certainly light years better than the F-106; but the USAF needed every F-15 in Europe to defeat the Commie MiG Swarm; and the USN needed every F-14 in the navy to blunt the Commie Backfire Swarm.

If, due to the destruction of continental air defense, the USAF/USN has to pull back F-15s and F-14s from offensive deployments against the USSR; the USSR's bomber swarm has achieved it's goal -- weakening the US's offensive forces elsewhere, and thus allowing the MiG swarm to survive a bit longer.
MKSheppard wrote:Warning? *laughs* What is the point of these "missions"? Man.
Without anything to shoot them down, or seriously reduced Air Defense Command Capabilities (hint, the F-16 ADF was a sad sick joke); it'sd basically a warning to kiss your ass goodbye.
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More details are trickling in.

DoD has confirmed it.
The Pentagon said it had not received prior notification of the test and declined to see any link with arms sales to Taiwan. However it confirmed that the test had taken place and was seeking more information.

"We detected two geographically separated missile launch events with an exo-atmospheric collision also being observed by space-based sensors," said Major Maureen Schumann, a Pentagon spokeswoman.

"We are requesting information from China regarding the purpose for conducting this interception as well as China's intentions and plans to pursue future types of intercepts.
And this raises some nice points:

Exoatmospheric collision!

That means the Chinese have cracked the problem of exoatmospheric discrimination via sensor fusion from multiple types of sensors (IR/UV/Radar/Laser) to rapidly discriminate decoys from actual re-entry vehicles.

Otherwise, why else would they carry out an exo-atmospheric test?

Well yes, I know that the entire decoy/MIRV thing is a wild canard -- because the solution to it is simply to make the interceptor vehicle long ranged enough to hit the warhead bus before it can deploy either RVs or Decoys.

You can tell that we have that capability, because all of our interceptors have command guidance capability.

But we must oblige the anti-ABM crowd by demonstrating our capability to discriminate, when it really doesn't matter.

However, there might be a valid military reason for moving so much sensor power and computing power (which is relatively expensive) onto expendable interceptors -- so that you are no longer totally reliant on command guidance from the ground -- e.g. if Fort Greely is somehow knocked out by a submarine launched missile in a very low, very depressed trajectory; the interceptors already in space will not go ballistic when their signals from Greely are lost; and will continue on last known courses to kill their targets without the aid of the now dead ground stations.
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Do the Chinese care about sensors though? They could've just tested it against a single warhead, presuming that it is a warhead which has not yet deployed RVs (single warheads do not have decoys, right?)
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Stas Bush wrote:Do the Chinese care about sensors though? They could've just tested it against a single warhead, presuming that it is a warhead which has not yet deployed RVs (single warheads do not have decoys, right?)
Why wouldn't a single warhead carry Penetration aids (other than for Mass or volume limits)?
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:To be fair, I would love China placing an ABM radar along with interceptors in Mexico or, say, Iran (to watch the Gulf, say)! I would totally love the squeaming that would ensue - too bad that's never gonna happen, but still, it would have been so worth the popcorn :)
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Why the hell would this would be a good thing?
It would be amusingly ironic, especially for a Russian.

Remember the ABM stuff we wanted to put in Poland a while back? This would be just like that, or very similar to that. Sort of like how the Russians putting nuclear missiles in Cuba was very similar to us putting them in Turkey, and how we did not like that, either.
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Stas Bush wrote:Do the Chinese care about sensors though? They could've just tested it against a single warhead, presuming that it is a warhead which has not yet deployed RVs (single warheads do not have decoys, right?)
Why wouldn't a single warhead carry Penetration aids (other than for Mass or volume limits)?
Why would the Chinese not bother to test their system just because they aren't confident of its ability to ignore penetration aids? Maybe they want to get test results against a crude warhead before trying to design one that can beat a more advanced warhead.
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Stas Bush wrote:To be fair, I would love China placing an ABM radar along with interceptors in Mexico or, say, Iran (to watch the Gulf, say)! I would totally love the squeaming that would ensue - too bad that's never gonna happen, but still, it would have been so worth the popcorn :)
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To defend weaker and smaller freedom-loving states from the depridations of rogue nations that are armed with strategic weaponry, rogue nations that have - in recent memory - acted violently and engaged in war contrary to the will of the United Nations and continues to threaten the geopolitical stability in regions like the Middle East with its overt and covert subversive actions by bullying weaker states, funding terroristic regimes and starting deceitful wars of aggression that have historically lead to the deaths of thousands of innocent freedom-loving men, women and children? :D

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Shroom Man 777 wrote:To defend weaker and smaller freedom-loving states from the depridations of rogue nations that are armed with strategic weaponry, rogue nations that have - in recent memory - acted violently and engaged in war contrary to the will of the United Nations and continues to threaten the geopolitical stability in regions like the Middle East with its overt and covert subversive actions by bullying weaker states, funding terroristic regimes and starting deceitful wars of aggression that have historically lead to the deaths of thousands of innocent freedom-loving men, women and children? :D

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Simon_Jester wrote:Remember the ABM stuff we wanted to put in Poland a while back? This would be just like that, or very similar to that. Sort of like how the Russians putting nuclear missiles in Cuba was very similar to us putting them in Turkey, and how we did not like that, either.
The United States is not going to use their missiles unless somebody else gives them an incredibly good reason to. So, China has nothing to fear from American missiles--unless China's planning on doing something that would give them a good reason to use them. But that puts the Americans in a situation where using the missiles before the site is in place becomes attractive because obviously the Chinese want to prevent the Americans from responding properly to something they're going to do that would deserve that response, or else they wouldn't have put the site there.

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Simon_Jester wrote:It would be amusingly ironic, especially for a Russian.
If the russians want to waste their money and time in mexico, venezula, or cuba; be my guest. They'd be in the wrong position to intercept ICBMs from F.E. Warren and Whiteman headed to the Rodina.
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Simon_Jester wrote:It would be amusingly ironic, especially for a Russian.
If the russians want to waste their money and time in mexico, venezula, or cuba; be my guest. They'd be in the wrong position to intercept ICBMs from F.E. Warren and Whiteman headed to the Rodina.
Please note that the thing which would be amusingly ironic for Russians is watching the Chinese do it, not doing it themselves.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Remember the ABM stuff we wanted to put in Poland a while back? This would be just like that, or very similar to that. Sort of like how the Russians putting nuclear missiles in Cuba was very similar to us putting them in Turkey, and how we did not like that, either.
The United States is not going to use their missiles unless somebody else gives them an incredibly good reason to. So, China has nothing to fear from American missiles--unless China's planning on doing something that would give them a good reason to use them...
Which, officially, is equally true in reverse, or if we slot "Russia" into the sentence. Officially, every nuclear power is not going to use its missiles unless somebody else gives them an incredibly good reason to. That does not mean that any nuclear power can resist being paranoid about the idea that someone else might do anything to reduce their ability to deliver nuclear devastation to a target of their choice...
But that puts the Americans in a situation where using the missiles before the site is in place becomes attractive because obviously the Chinese want to prevent the Americans from responding properly to something they're going to do that would deserve that response, or else they wouldn't have put the site there.
As this illustrates. From the American point of view, the Chinese putting ABM sites in various places is an "obvious" sign of hostile intent... but by the same logic, the Americans putting ABM sites in Poland was an "obvious" sign of hostile intent from a Russian point of view.

Which would make the predictable results of the Chinese putting ABM batteries near US soil (the US freaking out and demanding that they be removed) hilarious from a Russian perspective... which is the point. This is a case of historical irony, of "see how you like it when someone else is putting ABM sites on your strategic doorstep!"
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Ryan Thunder wrote:The United States is not going to use their missiles unless somebody else gives them an incredibly good reason to. So, China has nothing to fear from American missiles--unless China's planning on doing something that would give them a good reason to use them...
Which, officially, is equally true in reverse, or if we slot "Russia" into the sentence.
Remind me; which country's government imploded in the last 30 years? They still have obviously rigged elections on a regular basis.
As this illustrates. From the American point of view, the Chinese putting ABM sites in various places is an "obvious" sign of hostile intent... but by the same logic, the Americans putting ABM sites in Poland was an "obvious" sign of hostile intent from a Russian point of view.
Only if the Russians decided to attack NATO for some bizarre reason. Putting an NATO ABM site in Poland and putting a PLA ABM site in Mexico are not the same. Sure the action might be similar but the actors and their probable motivations aren't the same by any stretch of the imagination.

Unless you see the Americans and the Chinese government on the same level, of course, in which case I'm not even going to bother...
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You don't seem to understand that the way the CHINESE or RUSSIA percieve the US is important in that matter.
If the NATO puts ABM near the Russian borders, it's obvious for Russia that they do that in order to attack Russia without having to fear the counterstrike.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:The United States is not going to use their missiles unless somebody else gives them an incredibly good reason to. So, China has nothing to fear from American missiles--unless China's planning on doing something that would give them a good reason to use them...
Which, officially, is equally true in reverse, or if we slot "Russia" into the sentence.
Remind me; which country's government imploded in the last 30 years? They still have obviously rigged elections on a regular basis.
Remind me again, how was the 2000 election decided? I mean, there's no way anyone could call that result rigged, could they? :P
As this illustrates. From the American point of view, the Chinese putting ABM sites in various places is an "obvious" sign of hostile intent... but by the same logic, the Americans putting ABM sites in Poland was an "obvious" sign of hostile intent from a Russian point of view.
Only if the Russians decided to attack NATO for some bizarre reason. Putting an NATO ABM site in Poland and putting a PLA ABM site in Mexico are not the same. Sure the action might be similar but the actors and their probable motivations aren't the same by any stretch of the imagination.

Unless you see the Americans and the Chinese government on the same level, of course, in which case I'm not even going to bother...
If you don't see the Americans and Chinese governments on the same level, I have to ask what level you're looking at them on. Is China less reliable because they have fewer nukes, or because they have a larger population? :P Do they not both have an obligation to defend their citizens and their interests? Are not their fundamental motivations the same? And wouldn't Mexico be a really crappy place to build an interceptor network since the missiles would need to fly over the north-south width of the US and still catch up to the launched ICBMs to defend China? As opposed to a network in Poland which effectively cuts off a lot of the world's largest country's power projection in its own backyard.
Oh, but a US anti ballistic missile base in Japan that's capable of destroying a few hundred ICBMs, well, that's no threat to China's interests, right? Because they're on different levels, so China can just shut the hell up and not develop any technology of this kind, because Uncle Sam knows best. :angelic:
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Unless you see the Americans and the Chinese government on the same level, of course, in which case I'm not even going to bother...
Well, China will most assuredly do so, which is something the American government should bear in mind in its decision-making process, something which incidentally you fail to do right now. When a government has to make decisions involving its strategic defence and its ability to defend itself from an ICBM attack it's simply not going to care about whether or not the opponent with the 10,000 nuclear warheads holds elections every four years, or whether or not said elections were rigged, or even that the opponent professes to like freedom, apple pie and liberty for the masses. The sole thing they're going to care about is the 10,000 nuclear warheads and what they can do to minimize the chance of those warheads landing on the heads of their citizens.

Honestly, "probable motivation" don't even factor into it. What people in high places will care for is the cold hard facts: 10,000 nukes equals a whole lot of destruction, so it's probably a good idea to see if you can find a way to eliminate even the possibility of that destruction because to count on such ephemeral things as "probable motivations" when long-term national survival is at stake is just stupid. Come the next administration those motivations might change, and then you might be screwed. So it's altogether just a way better idea to make sure the other guy can't hold his strategic arsenal over your head in the first place.
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Siege wrote:Well, China will most assuredly do so, which is something the American government should bear in mind in its decision-making process, something which incidentally you fail to do right now. [...]
Well of course they're going to want to do it if they can. That doesn't make it right, however, and of course the Americans are going to want to destroy it or get rid of it however they can before it becomes operational. They'll have every right to as far as I'm concerned.

The PLA, not so much.
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