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Another possibility presents itself. As we know from her previous books and appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show, Somers takes boatloads of “bioidentical” hormones. She promotes them as a fountain of youth for women. One wonders if any of her various supplements or bioidentical hormones were somehow adulterated with corticosteroids, which suppressed her immune system, one does. Or at least I do.

One need wonder no more. Right there, in Chapter 1 of her book, is a highly plausible, highly likely explanation for why Somers became as ill as she did from coccidioidomycosis:

Day 5. Dr. Oncologist comes into my room. Now, you would think he’d say, “Well, sometimes it’s good to be wrong.” Or “Isn’t it great that you don’t have cancer?” But no. He walks in, doesn’t sit down, just looks at me and says angrily, “Well, you should have told me you were on steroids.”

I am flabbergasted. I don’t know what to say to him; I am so stunned by his lack of compassion that I just stare at him. I am not on steroids. I would never take steroids. But because he is stuck in old thinking and so out of touch with new medicine, he has no clue and doesn’t understand cortisol replacement as part of the menopausal experience.

I don’t know where to begin with him. He’s too arrogant to listen to a “stupid actress,” anyway. So much of his attitude with me has been the unsaid but definite “So you think all your ‘alternatives’ are going to help you now, missy?”

Why steroids would have anything to do with being misdiagnosed with full-body cancer, I can’t guess. But we still don’t know what has gone wrong in my body. We still have to find out what caused me to end up in the ER.

(Emphasis mine.)

It’s incredibly hard at this point not to go even beyond Mark Crislip-grade acid sarcasm at the arrogance of ignorance on display. Here we have a woman who is apparently taking cortisol as part of her “bioidentical hormone” cocktail, and this woman does not know that each and every one of those estrogens she is taking is a steroid hormone. More importantly, Somers apparently does not know that cortisol is a corticosteroid (”cortico,” get it?), the very same kind of steroid that is routinely used by us evil reductionist practitioners of “Western medicine” as an anti-inflammatory and immunsuppressant. When used that way by us evil pharma shills, cortisol is known as hydrocortisone, which is–gasp!–a pharmaceutical concoction! It’s also “bioidentical,” too, proving once more that “bioidentical” does not mean “risk-free.” Indeed, hydrocortisone is often included as one of the drugs in immunusuppressive protocols used to prevent the rejection of organ transplants. Given that Somers has said that she takes enough “bioidentical” estrogens to recreate the hormonal milieu of a woman in her 20s (in other words, far more estrogens than a 63 year old woman would ever have or need), it’s not beyond the pale to wonder whether she similarly takes a significant dose of hydrocortisone (sorry, cortisol) as part of her brew of “bioidenticals,” particularly in light of her having fallen seriously ill due to an organism that usually causes mild disease in immunocompetent hosts.
Ah yes, bioidentical hormones are all natural and safe!

This story cracked me up because whenever I dilute hydrocort, there's this big "POISON" and the international symbol for poison on the label covering 60% of the bottle. Its the only medicine I routinely use that has that label other than this fungal antibiotic.
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What's amusing and tragic at the same time, is that the blog goes on and on about the book and points out the possible cause of the disease.

The idiot's "diet supplements". In other words, the actress has caused this condition to herself. And she's surprised that the doctor is a jerk to her. Of course, this relies on her never admitting to even herself that her fucking around with her body chemistry is what caused her bodily functions to fuck up.
I am flabbergasted. I don’t know what to say to him; I am so stunned by his lack of compassion that I just stare at him. I am not on steroids. I would never take steroids. But because he is stuck in old thinking and so out of touch with new medicine, he has no clue and doesn’t understand cortisol replacement as part of the menopausal experience.
Because a talkshow host and actress knows more about medicine than someone who has spent over half a decade studying the subject? Right. Sadly, this is typical. People are so focused on the idea that everyone is equal, that they think everyone is equal the same way. Sadly, the usual case is that someone who has spent over half a decade to study a subject, he has an upper hand about what you know when it comes to that subject.
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Keep in mind that this is a woman who made a highly paid career out of looking good on TV; that's a great way to pick up an exaggerated sense of your own importance, and a skewed sense of what "expertise" means. I'm not at all sure that she is typical; the passage you quoted makes her sound unusually thick-headed to me.
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Another possibility presents itself. As we know from her previous books and appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show, Somers takes boatloads of “bioidentical” hormones. She promotes them as a fountain of youth for women. One wonders if any of her various supplements or bioidentical hormones were somehow adulterated with corticosteroids, which suppressed her immune system, one does. Or at least I do.

One need wonder no more. Right there, in Chapter 1 of her book, is a highly plausible, highly likely explanation for why Somers became as ill as she did from coccidioidomycosis:
Just a note: another name for this fungal disease is "San Joaquin Valley Fever" or "California valley fever". It's endemic to California (duh!) and surrounding areas, being basically a soil fungus. It's common as dirt, literally. In a healthy, non-immune suppressed adult it's a mild illness, if there are symptoms at all. For the immune compromised it can be lethal.
Day 5. Dr. Oncologist comes into my room. Now, you would think he’d say, “Well, sometimes it’s good to be wrong.” Or “Isn’t it great that you don’t have cancer?” But no. He walks in, doesn’t sit down, just looks at me and says angrily, “Well, you should have told me you were on steroids.”
Yes, she should have. This is why doctors want to know EVERYTHING you are taking, including self-prescribed "supplements", potions, pills, herbs, etc.
I am flabbergasted. I don’t know what to say to him; I am so stunned by his lack of compassion that I just stare at him.
Meanwhile, he's staring at a dumb broad who suppressed her own immune system and turned a minor illness into something potentially lethal that, even if she survives, could leave her a pulmonary cripple for life.
I am not on steroids. I would never take steroids. But because he is stuck in old thinking and so out of touch with new medicine, he has no clue and doesn’t understand cortisol replacement as part of the menopausal experience.
AAAAAAAAAAAGH!

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Doesn't...know...cortisol.. is...a... STEROID!

My god - she IS a dumb broad!

And when the fuck did "cortisol replacement" become "part of the menopausal experience"? This is news to me. Estrogen and/or progesterone have been used for menopausal symptoms but... cortisol? WTF?
I don’t know where to begin with him. He’s too arrogant to listen to a “stupid actress,” anyway. So much of his attitude with me has been the unsaid but definite “So you think all your ‘alternatives’ are going to help you now, missy?”
You ARE a "stupid actress", honey. HE'S arrogant? It's YOUR "alternatives" that fucked you up, bitch.
Why steroids would have anything to do with being misdiagnosed with full-body cancer, I can’t guess.
Gee, 2 minutes on Google got me the information that San Joaquin Valley Fever can be and is often misdiagnosed as cancer when it has reached a systematic infection stage. What a fucking stupid, willfully ignorant bitch. Granted, I am operating from the knowledge of what her disease was, but it's not that hard to operate a search engine to ask "what is frequently misdiagnosed as cancer?"

Here we have a woman who is apparently taking cortisol as part of her “bioidentical hormone” cocktail, and this woman does not know that each and every one of those estrogens she is taking is a steroid hormone.

This, of course, is a major part of this bitch's problems. She doesn't know what she's putting in her body.

Now, I have used - under doctor's orders - steroids on a few occasions. That have, at those times, literally saved my life. When used appropriately they are excellent tools of medicine. But they are extremely powerful and dangerous substances that are easily mishandled, with serious side effects even when properly used. I find it appalling that this woman was apparently taking significant amounts of them without a doctor's supervision and in ignorance of what she was taking!

Just appalling.
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Valley Fever lead to the death of one of my dogs. It can be bad news.

I somewhat blame sports for why people don't recognize cortical steroids. They spend lots of time harping on anabolic steroids being super bad but players constantly are talking about getting cortisone shots in shoulders, knees etc... so they can play a game. So somehow there is some perception that the only steroids are the anabolic "muscle building" type and there aren't any other types.

I'm actually somewhat grateful for Somers' book because in chapter 1 she clearly shows what a moron she is and strongly undermines her own position. Hopefully someone will nail her on it when she's answering questions about her book.
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Tsyroc wrote:I somewhat blame sports for why people don't recognize cortical steroids. They spend lots of time harping on anabolic steroids being super bad but players constantly are talking about getting cortisone shots in shoulders, knees etc... so they can play a game. So somehow there is some perception that the only steroids are the anabolic "muscle building" type and there aren't any other types.
Most people don't really get into either chemistry or biochemistry and thus are completely unaware of terminology. 'Steroid' is a technical term that describes any molecule of a certain configuration just like 'lipid', 'protein', 'sugar', and 'carbohydrate.' Cholesterol is a steroid as are sex hormones like testosterone... and estrogen. People have the funny idea that steroids are some artificial substance that the evil pharmaceutical industry invented but it covers quite the gamut of substances in reality.
Tsyroc wrote:I'm actually somewhat grateful for Somers' book because in chapter 1 she clearly shows what a moron she is and strongly undermines her own position. Hopefully someone will nail her on it when she's answering questions about her book.
Sadly, you can't count on this being the case. Snake oil salesmen (and saleswomen) don't survive long without becoming skilled at avoiding debunkers and falsehood-shredders (such as a interviewer who did their due diligence and consulted a medical doctor before the interview). Moreover, far too many of the people that this Somers lady would go to get her books hawked may be intelligent enough folks but they're pretty shallow... they can recognize a fraud when it backhands them across the face but aren't equipped to recognize a more sophisticated lie. Like Oprah Winfrey: smart enough lady, plenty nice, and has gotten taken in by clever hucksters selling a story or a book that passes a cursory examination.
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It's unfortunate that "steroid" in the biochem sense means a broader range of substances than "steroid" in the "I only know what I read in the papers" sense. As I understand it, what happened is that the formal term "anabolic steroid" got shortened to "steroid" for the popular press, leaving the general public with no indication that there are steroids that aren't anabolic.

And then it doesn't help that Suzanne Somers is a complete idiot and/or Suzanne Somers is a partial idiot and her doctor sucks at explaining things.
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Its been my experience as well that when people say steroids, they are thinking of anabolic steroids. Cortisol and other glucocorticoids are also steroids however they have more catabolic (ie the opposite of anabolic) effects.
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People like her won't budge, though, even when slapped across the face with the proper medical terminology. Medical terminology was invented by modern death-medicine, see, so it's wrong by default. Similar excuses/lies will be found for other objections.

Of course, one kind of expect that people would demand somebody who advocates a radical new medical treatment to at least hold a degree in some relevant field, but that's not always the case, for some unfathomable reason. Even if it is, it's easy for a snake oil salesman to just get a degree in entertainment from some diploma mill and proudly write "Dr." in front of his name. She won't need it, though, she's famous and therefore an automatic authority.

On the other hand, it's bloody fascinating to see how these scammers can work people's minds, playing on their insecurities, deeply seated desires, character flaws, social conditioning and even involuntary instincts and responses. I've known a couple sociology students who researched for their masters by going around all those fraudster self-improvement seminars and charlatans and whatnot and just...taking notes.

Of course, there's some ridiculous cultural artefacts about medicine and science in general that make this sort of fraud easier. I personally hate the whole "natural = safe" meme the most, since it's so damaging. I often meet people who are honestly 100% convinced of things like "You can't overdose on herbs" or "I only drink energy drinks with guarana in them, they're better than coffee because they're natural"...and you just know they're a prime victim for a medical scam of some sort (which, as evidenced by the OP, can leave one a cripple for life).
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Funnily enough, they did a Valley-Fever-as-Cancer episode of House a few years back, and the teenager had been taking cortisol for her complexion or something.
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Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway? One of the first things I do when I see my doctor is say something like, "Oh, and I'm taking the pill, and I took a couple of Panadol yesterday," because I know that by saying that I'm giving the doctor vital information that they can use to help me - and they also know what kind of interactions the drugs I'm taking will have with various treatments for whatever I'm seeing them for. (Theoretically, anyway. In practice, I rarely need anything more than a doctor's certificate.)

I cannot fathom why anyone would not do the same. Especially if they were being diagnosed with cancer.
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I cannot fathom why anyone would not do the same. Especially if they were being diagnosed with cancer.
Probably because she thought that her medicine was natural, thus could have not caused the problem, thus not a concern for the doctor.

Really, her inconsistent viewpoint is very clear. Let me quote a quote from the blog:
I am now dressed in a blue hospital gown, and so far I’ve been reinforced by three rounds of oxygen and albuterol. I’m starting to feel normal again. Drugs have been my lifesaver this time. This is what they are for. Knowing the toxicity of all chemical drugs, I’ve already started thinking about the supplement regime and detox treatments I’ll have when I get out of here, to get all the residue of pharmaceuticals out of me. I’m hopeful this will be the one and only time I have to resort to Western drugs.
So she somehow acknowledges that "Western" (ie, science-based as opposed to bullshit-based) medicine works. But she has no idea how it works nor that her liver should clean up any "residue" pharmaceuticals in time anyway, without the need of any outside involvement. But no, she will listen to a quack doctor instead and give her liver ever more chemicals to process.
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Dumbass wrote:This is what they are for. Knowing the toxicity of all chemical drugs, I’ve already started thinking about the supplement regime and detox treatments I’ll have when I get out of here, to get all the residue of pharmaceuticals out of me. I’m hopeful this will be the one and only time I have to resort to Western drugs.
What does she think her hormones are? Fairy dust?

It would be funny if so many people didn't believe just that: "chemistry" is bad, "nature" is not (despite containing...certain active chemicals that make your body do or not do certain things).
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Lusankya wrote:Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway?
She probably doesn't regard her "bioidentical hormones" as medicine. Ditto for any other supplements she is taking.

Anything strong enough to help you is strong enough to hurt you.

After a blood test showed I had unusually high potassium levels I had to discuss my food with my doctor, nevermind vitamins, supplements, or OTC medications.

As my Other Half once pointed out, in a sense anything you put into your body is a poison - that's why you have an elaborate digestive system to carefully disassemble it and your liver and kidneys to detoxify it or it's eventual byproducts. The thing is, your own body is more than able to handle normal amount of environmental toxins and such, you don't need all that New Age crap.
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Lusankya wrote:Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway? One of the first things I do when I see my doctor is say something like, "Oh, and I'm taking the pill, and I took a couple of Panadol yesterday," because I know that by saying that I'm giving the doctor vital information that they can use to help me - and they also know what kind of interactions the drugs I'm taking will have with various treatments for whatever I'm seeing them for. (Theoretically, anyway. In practice, I rarely need anything more than a doctor's certificate.)

I cannot fathom why anyone would not do the same. Especially if they were being diagnosed with cancer.
Heck, i am telling my doctor what i am eating.
That's not just inconsistent, it's stupid.

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Lusankya wrote:Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway?
You know its quite funny how many people don't know what medications they are on. I am getting tired of its a white pill or a blue one, like I can magically tell which white tablet it is. :lol:
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Broomstick wrote: As my Other Half once pointed out, in a sense anything you put into your body is a poison - that's why you have an elaborate digestive system to carefully disassemble it and your liver and kidneys to detoxify it or it's eventual byproducts. The thing is, your own body is more than able to handle normal amount of environmental toxins and such, you don't need all that New Age crap.
Actually, our bodies are equipped to handle the amount of environmental toxins present about 10,000 years ago, not with the industrial waste we currently have.

That does not mean, however, that New Age 'detoxs' and 'purges' are going to do jack shit to remove mercury, PCBs, pesticides, and dioxins from your body, though. The only thing you can really do for that is to go somewhere where those things are in far smaller quantities so your body can excrete more then it takes in.
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Lusankya wrote:Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway?
You know its quite funny how many people don't know what medications they are on. I am getting tired of its a white pill or a blue one, like I can magically tell which white tablet it is. :lol:

You would have been pleased with my grandpa if you'd had to treat him when he needed to have his pacemaker inserted. Apparently they asked him what medicines he was taking, and he went into painstaking detail about it.

Of course, at the time, all he was taking was a glass of Metamucil in the morning (smooth orange flavour - not regular flavour), so the 20-minutes or so he spent explaining exactly how he prepared it was probably a bit more than the doctors wanted, but it's better than him not disclosing, I guess.
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Lusankya wrote:Why on earth would anybody not fully disclose the medicines they were taking with their doctor anyway? One of the first things I do when I see my doctor is say something like, "Oh, and I'm taking the pill, and I took a couple of Panadol yesterday," because I know that by saying that I'm giving the doctor vital information that they can use to help me - and they also know what kind of interactions the drugs I'm taking will have with various treatments for whatever I'm seeing them for. (Theoretically, anyway. In practice, I rarely need anything more than a doctor's certificate.)

I cannot fathom why anyone would not do the same. Especially if they were being diagnosed with cancer.
I work in a hospital as a pharmacy tech and over the last year we've had a pilot program where we had dedicated pharmacy technicians working in the ER solely to get patients' medical histories when they are admitted. This was supposed to be the job of nursing but they are pretty busy and have lots of stuff to do so the job wasn't getting done as well as it should. Having people whose only job is to pry medical histories out of people has gone over huge with the physicians even though we only have enough technician coverage to see about 40% of patients.

You really have to pull information out of some people. It's understandable to some degree because they have to be distracted by the fact that they feel awful enough to be in the ER. One of the best examples we've had so far of what this job can entail is as follows.

A patient had seen a nurse and told the nurse he wasn't on any medications. The technician, being somewhat suspicious mentioned that most people this patient's age are usually on one thing or another. The patient responded, that he had been on a bunch of drugs but had stopped taking them three months ago. Pretty easy to see why he ended up in the ER after that.


Personally, dietary supplements drive me crazy. We are supposed to have a policy that most dietary supplements won't be continued while patients are in the hospital (the usual stay being just over 3 days). Some are continued because they really do have some benefit. Others because they might nominally have some benefit over the long haul and we try not to upset patients needlessly and people can get rather upset if they aren't allowed to keep taking stuff they normally take at home if they don't feel they've been given a good enough reason. There are also some supplements that we end up carrying because enough people take them, even if they are total crap, for the same don't upset the patient reasons.
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mr friendly guy wrote: You know its quite funny how many people don't know what medications they are on. I am getting tired of its a white pill or a blue one, like I can magically tell which white tablet it is. :lol:
Ask them if they know what symbol or number is on it and what color the print is. That might narrow it down a little bit. :D


One of the things I've seen people do quite often is to just bring all of their medications with them when they come to the hospital. That can be helpful at times, especially when they are on something we don't stock. However, there are quite a few times when we get huge boxes of medications because someone grabbed everything in the person's medicine cabinet. This often includes medications, or strengths of medications, the patient used to be on but hasn't been on for years.

People often have confusion about what they are taking because they only know it by a specific name and most drugs have at least a brand name and a generic, but some have more. It's even worse when you get into combination drugs. People might know what they are on but not what combination of drugs that one pill entails, or what the dosage of those two drugs is.
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Re: Suzanne Somers’ Dangerous misinformation about cancer

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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Funnily enough, they did a Valley-Fever-as-Cancer episode of House a few years back, and the teenager had been taking cortisol for her complexion or something.
Which episode by the way?

Its a tad funny because people don't really know what the hell is going on with the stuff they're putting into their bodies. My mum for example insisted that the hydroxine she gets is a sleeping tablet, thus, she doesn't want to use it for fears of side-effects. I been trying to explain to her that while the doc did give it to her as a sedative, that's just its side-effect. At best, her body becomes tolerant to the sedative effect and it doesn't work anymore, it shouldn't disrupt your sleep pattern unless you have a real problem.

Back to the original story, Suzanne Somers is playing with fire. Sure, we don't know whether her breast cancer is PR or ER +, but if it is, exposure to hormones will cause another episode of cancer.
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Re: Suzanne Somers’ Dangerous misinformation about cancer

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PainRack wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Funnily enough, they did a Valley-Fever-as-Cancer episode of House a few years back, and the teenager had been taking cortisol for her complexion or something.
Which episode by the way?
I don't recall, it was an older episode with the original team.
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Re: Suzanne Somers’ Dangerous misinformation about cancer

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Tsyroc wrote:I work in a hospital as a pharmacy tech and over the last year we've had a pilot program where we had dedicated pharmacy technicians working in the ER solely to get patients' medical histories when they are admitted. This was supposed to be the job of nursing but they are pretty busy and have lots of stuff to do so the job wasn't getting done as well as it should. Having people whose only job is to pry medical histories out of people has gone over huge with the physicians even though we only have enough technician coverage to see about 40% of patients.
Well, in the ER I can at least understand it, because people often don't have time to make preparations, and they're often not feeling their best before they go there anyway.

But for cancer treatment? I'd be telling my doctor everything, up to how many times I shit a day and how often, just to make sure they had as much information as possible. It's not as though I wouldn't have enough time to find the boxes of the medicines I'm taking and write down the names.
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Re: Suzanne Somers’ Dangerous misinformation about cancer

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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
PainRack wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Funnily enough, they did a Valley-Fever-as-Cancer episode of House a few years back, and the teenager had been taking cortisol for her complexion or something.
Which episode by the way?
I don't recall, it was an older episode with the original team.
Season 3 Episode 4, "Lines in the Sand". It wasn't thought to be cancer, though, nor was it the main case of the episode. It was the diagnosis for why Ali was stalking House after coming back from Fresno, the fact that loss of inhibitions and judgment isn't a symptom of valley fever notwithstanding.
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