Man mauled to death by his pet tiger (Toronto, Ontario)

[salm]

Ah, ok, that kind of danger. When i read "danger" i thought life threatening or at least permanent damage. I wouldn´t classify an animal as "dangerous" when, besides the odd outlier, the most harm that can be done is pain and a little bit of blood.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Ah, ok, that kind of danger. When i read "danger" i thought life threatening or at least permanent damage. I wouldn´t classify an animal as "dangerous" when, besides the odd outlier, the most harm that can be done is pain and a little bit of blood.

I have a number of permanent scars that are the results of cat-handling. One was from when I made the mistake of touching a cat's back while it was warily watching a running vacuum cleaner. It wasn't even angry, just spooked, it used my hand as a springboard to jump away, tore open the back of my wrist and left a three inch gash that bled for two hours and eventually required stitches. I shiver to think what would have happened if that had been the other side of my wrist. In the video, that cat is doing enough damage to make a man scream through, presumably, a pair of denim jeans *and* underpants, and the cat's on a leash.

Domestic cats are basically ten-pound coiled springs of energy with sharp hooks on the end, all it takes is for them to latch onto an artery to do some serious, possibly fatal damage to a person. And they're on the low end of the danger spectrum as far as felines go.

[Broomstick]

That really applies to keeping any wild animal as a pet - even a small one.

I've seen a 2 ounce parrot no taller than 10 cm open up a human's thumb to the bone and pull off the thumbnail. That's a "domestic" bird. Wild birds can be even more volatile and will not hesitate to harm what they perceive to be a danger no matter how much bigger you are. Birds will go for your eyes. Larger parrots have been known to kill people by biting out their throats.

MOST people just do not have the knowledge to safely keep and handle a wild animal of any sort. I'm in favor of licensing requirements such as falconers have - you want to keep a wild animal? Fine. You will have to undergo and document your education in care and handling, and submit to regular surprise inspections of the animal's living quarters. If you fuck up, you lose your privileges. You can start with less dangerous critters and work your way to more dangerous ones in a lengthy, many-years-long process that requires extreme dedication.

[salm]

Ah, ok, that kind of danger. When i read "danger" i thought life threatening or at least permanent damage. I wouldn´t classify an animal as "dangerous" when, besides the odd outlier, the most harm that can be done is pain and a little bit of blood.

I have a number of permanent scars that are the results of cat-handling. One was from when I made the mistake of touching a cat's back while it was warily watching a running vacuum cleaner. It wasn't even angry, just spooked, it used my hand as a springboard to jump away, tore open the back of my wrist and left a three inch gash that bled for two hours and eventually required stitches. I shiver to think what would have happened if that had been the other side of my wrist. In the video, that cat is doing enough damage to make a man scream through, presumably, a pair of denim jeans *and* underpants, and the cat's on a leash.

Domestic cats are basically ten-pound coiled springs of energy with sharp hooks on the end, all it takes is for them to latch onto an artery to do some serious, possibly fatal damage to a person. And they're on the low end of the danger spectrum as far as felines go.

Yeah, well, a permanent scar isn´t really that much harm. Ok, i think why i have a hard time with seeing the danger in a cat is because in this thread we´re talking about the danger of a tiger. This means fatal danger or the danger of losing a limb. Compared to that the danger a cat poses is insignificant.

[Themightytom]

Yeah, well, a permanent scar isn´t really that much harm. Ok, i think why i have a hard time with seeing the danger in a cat is because in this thread we´re talking about the danger of a tiger. This means fatal danger or the danger of losing a limb. Compared to that the danger a cat poses is insignificant.

Cats can take out your eyes bite off your ears, slash your throat working solo.A pack of feral cats could conceivably present a problem though I doubt they'd ever get hungry enough. none of that is insignificant. And for their sizer they are Very nimble.

My parents are keeping a ccraaaazy son of a bitch at their house for my brother, because it attacks people in his apartment. they tried leaving it outside but it was killing all kinds of animals all day leaving carcasses around, it STTILL likes to ambush people, it tore a pretty good flap off a neighbors goat and had a 90 lb german shepherd cowering in her plastic igloo. The only thing that ISN'T afraid off it is our ENORMOUS golden retriever but from the way yeti watches him, you know he's sizing him up for someday.

Personally I would vote destroy it, theres definitely some cross wiring in there, but they elected to build a really elaborate cage network that runs around the perimeter of the kitchen, he patrols all the time but he's much more relaxed in there than he is when he's out and exposed.

[Edi]

Birds will go for your eyes.

QFT.

My dad once got into an argument with a full-grown Ural owl that was protecting its chicks (who had just left the nest and were exposed out in the forest undergrowth). Needless to say, dad didn't fare very well in that encounter. One millimeter more and he'd have lost both the sight in one eye and the eyelid for it and he was wearing 3 or 4 millimeter thick glasses (real glass lenses, sturdy frame). The glasses didn't survive the scrap. One of the lenses did, I think, but the other lens and the frame were a write-off. If not for the glasses, he'd have been blind in both eyes that day.

That was from one pass, a single hit.

As for cats, also when you take some of the bigger ones, those that weigh six kilos and up, I'd really rather not mess with them. They can maul a person pretty badly because they are so fucking fast you just can't react to them. There's a reason why my mom and her siblings used broomsticks to separate fighting cats when they were kids.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

There was a time I had to impromptu-euthanize a cat that had crawled onto a friend's yard and was hiding under his garage. Basically, it looked like the cat had been hit, likely on the freeway two miles away, crawled through the intervening forest, and was holed up, heavily infected, half-insane with fever and pain under the garage. The closest animal-shelter that allowed euthanasia was a number of miles away, and required that we bring the animal in ourselves. Animal control wasn't willing to come out without a hefty fee or better evidence that the cat constituted a threat. So... I was sent out with a shovel as I was the only one who had previous experience with euthanasia.

Basically this was a cat at death's door, and I was scared to death of the thing. Never mind the fact that any injury from it was pretty much guaranteed to carry a nasty infection, given the cat's state, but the thing was insane, and despite being near death, incredibly deadly. Thankfully the whole thing went off with no injury on my part, but it was a day I was very glad to be wearing leather pants, anything less and I would have been gashed. Yeah, housecats are small, but there's a surprising amount of power there. They can reach five feet in the air from a standing start, there's any number of cases where an angry cat has clawed half the face off a dog, and those same claws in one really unlucky blow could easily damage or sever an artery.

Housecats generally aren't considered dangerous in the same way that housebroken dogs aren't. The vast majority of the time they are entirely safe because they've been both bred and trained that way. But the fact remains that they are still animals, and if pushed far enough they will defend themselves. And when it comes to defense in nature, it means going all out. For dogs that means broken bones from their jaws of death, from cats it means deep lacerations from a wicked set of spurred claws.

[aieeegrunt]

A buddy of mine has a pet crocodile, or maybe an alligator on his farm. Bears kept coming onto the property all the time to check it out. How nobody has died yet is beyond me.

Dangerous animals in urban populated areas is jsut plain irresponsible, but that extends even to the family rotweiler who is fine except with small children. On the other hand a pet tiger in the woods behind one's house in a community rural enough that the nearest city off identifiable size (london) is 30 kms away doesn't actually set off my "Make It Illegal" instinct. Licensing is a way of confirming responsible pet ownership and its a a valid response.

That being said, Sweet Jesus I Can Buy A Tiger Cub In Canada? Who Knew?

no more bringing back maple syrup for THIS man...

The crocogator or whatever is on a farm up on Kemble Mountain. There is literally zero casual traffic, anybody coming up there knows what to expect. Well, except the bears.

[Alyrium Denryle]

A buddy of mine has a pet crocodile, or maybe an alligator on his farm. Bears kept coming onto the property all the time to check it out. How nobody has died yet is beyond me.

Dangerous animals in urban populated areas is jsut plain irresponsible, but that extends even to the family rotweiler who is fine except with small children. On the other hand a pet tiger in the woods behind one's house in a community rural enough that the nearest city off identifiable size (london) is 30 kms away doesn't actually set off my "Make It Illegal" instinct. Licensing is a way of confirming responsible pet ownership and its a a valid response.

That being said, Sweet Jesus I Can Buy A Tiger Cub In Canada? Who Knew?

no more bringing back maple syrup for THIS man...

The crocogator or whatever is on a farm up on Kemble Mountain. There is literally zero casual traffic, anybody coming up there knows what to expect. Well, except the bears.

Where are you located? New jersey? Does he heat the pond, it should not be able to survive winter.

[aieeegrunt]

Owen Sound, which is at the base of the Bruce Peninsula, Ontario, Canada. There is no way it would survive a winter outside here, you can't leave your dog outside even with an insulated dog house. He must have a cage or something in the farmhouse.