Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

Post Reply
User avatar
The Duchess of Zeon
Gözde
Posts: 14566
Joined: 2002-09-18 01:06am
Location: Exiled in the Pale of Settlement.

Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

And in the latest of a string of men going head to head with the cops...
Police Surround Gunman After He Kills 8 in Virginia


By IAN URBINA
Published: January 19, 2010

A gunman shot and killed eight people before firing on law enforcement officers and hitting a police helicopter on Tuesday in a thickly wooded area of south-central Virginia, a state police official said.
Skip to next paragraph
Virginia State Police, via Associated Press

The state police identified the gunman as Christopher Speight, 39.
Enlarge This Image
Nick Adams/News & Advance, via Associated Press

The authorities gathered in Appomattox, Va., near the scene where several people were shot.

Late Tuesday, state police officers said that they thought they had the gunman, whom they identified as Christopher Speight, 39, surrounded in the woods and that he was still alive.

Seven bodies were found in one house, the authorities said, and the eighth victim was found by the side of the road and died on the way to the hospital.

All the victims were adults, the police said.

A state police official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation, said two of the victims were thought to be the wife and the son of the gunman. He would not give other details.

Gov. Robert F. McDonnell of Virginia said he was sending his secretary of public safety, Marla Decker, to the scene to join the deputy secretary, John Buckovich, and Col. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of the State Police.

“This is a horrific tragedy,” Mr. McDonnell’s office said in a statement. “The governor’s thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.”

Officers were called to the scene in Appomattox County at 12:02 p.m. after receiving a report that a man lying in the middle of the road needed urgent medical attention, Sgt. Thomas Molnar of the State Police said.

But when the police arrived, chaos ensued. Officers were fired on by a man hiding in the woods, the authorities said, and a helicopter hovering overhead was hit four times in and around its fuel tank, forcing it to make an emergency landing nearby. No officers were hurt, the authorities said.

Police dispatchers alerted a local school to go on lockdown, and businesses closed as more officers raced to the scene. Two homes were evacuated, and soon more than 100 officers formed a perimeter around the suspect, who they said they thought was hiding in a wooded area between Police Tower Road and Snapps Mill Road just outside the town of Appomattox.

Police officers were seen at 3030 Snapps Mill Road, which neighbors said is home to a family of four, according to local television reports.

Appomattox, which is about 100 miles west of Richmond, is best known as the place where Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered to end the Civil War.

Bethel Hawkins, who lives about two miles from the shooting scene, said the police had warned families to lock their doors. “We’re just being cautious, keeping our doors locked, not going outside,” Mr. Hawkins said, adding: “We’re not going out in the dark not knowing what’s out there. But we trust in the Lord to take care of us.”

They now have a National Guard helicopter with thermal imaging gear searching for him, as well as dogs, but they're only "fairly sure" they have him:
Police said at a media briefing that officers from across the state had been brought in to the area.

Police dogs and a National Guard helicopter with thermal imaging equipment were being used to search the woods.

"We have him [the gunman] contained, we're fairly sure of that," they said.

A number of people living in the sealed-off wooded area have been evacuated.

It is not known what prompted the shootings.
Anyway, it does make me wonder if there's any data to correlate yet whether or not, as the economy worsens, there has in fact been a steady increase in these kinds of mass murderers of family and/or "die fighting the cops" incidents, or if they've been increasing beforehand, or if there's some kind of newspaper increased reporting artefacting going on. Though murders of this scale seem to get at least some attention no matter where they are. One wonders how prepared the guy is, too, it is not exactly easy to shoot down a helicopter with a rifle.
The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- Wikipedia's No Original Research policy page.

In 1966 the Soviets find something on the dark side of the Moon. In 2104 they come back. -- Red Banner / White Star, a nBSG continuation story. Updated to Chapter 4.0 -- 14 January 2013.
User avatar
His Divine Shadow
Commence Primary Ignition
Posts: 12791
Joined: 2002-07-03 07:22am
Location: Finland, west coast

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by His Divine Shadow »

Well it does seem to fit into the theory of memes being spread and taking root in the populace in the same way a virus might.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
User avatar
PeZook
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13237
Joined: 2002-07-18 06:08pm
Location: Poland

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by PeZook »

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: One wonders how prepared the guy is, too, it is not exactly easy to shoot down a helicopter with a rifle.
More precisely, it's not easy to hit a helicopter with a rifle. Bringing it down is easy if you can hit repeatadly it with any kind of accuracy.

Which means the guy is either a really good shot, or really damn lucky.
Image
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up

It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11

Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.

MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
User avatar
The Duchess of Zeon
Gözde
Posts: 14566
Joined: 2002-09-18 01:06am
Location: Exiled in the Pale of Settlement.

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

PeZook wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: One wonders how prepared the guy is, too, it is not exactly easy to shoot down a helicopter with a rifle.
More precisely, it's not easy to hit a helicopter with a rifle. Bringing it down is easy if you can hit repeatadly it with any kind of accuracy.

Which means the guy is either a really good shot, or really damn lucky.
Yes, I know; I just wasn't being very clear. I meant in general, that on average probably 99.9% of bullets aimed at helicopters miss them. Granted, that's because a lot of them are fired by African militias, but... Whomever he is, I don't want to encounter him in a densely wooded area like that. There may still be more blood before this is over, but, frankly, we can probably hope for the best outcome to be that that blood comes from him sticking the barrel of one his guns in his mouth.
The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- Wikipedia's No Original Research policy page.

In 1966 the Soviets find something on the dark side of the Moon. In 2104 they come back. -- Red Banner / White Star, a nBSG continuation story. Updated to Chapter 4.0 -- 14 January 2013.
[R_H]
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2894
Joined: 2007-08-24 08:51am
Location: Europe

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by [R_H] »

Is it uncommon for police helicopters to have FLIR in the USA? I ask because the first municipal police helicopter in Canada, the HAWC1 (operated by the Calgary Police Service) had both a searchlight (Spectrolab SX-16 Nightsun) and an infrared camera (Wescam 16DS-A).
User avatar
Lonestar
Keeper of the Schwartz
Posts: 13321
Joined: 2003-02-13 03:21pm
Location: The Bay Area

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by Lonestar »

[R_H] wrote:Is it uncommon for police helicopters to have FLIR in the USA? I ask because the first municipal police helicopter in Canada, the HAWC1 (operated by the Calgary Police Service) had both a searchlight (Spectrolab SX-16 Nightsun) and an infrared camera (Wescam 16DS-A).

Possibly uncommon in Appomattox, which is located in a distinctly rednecky-part of Virginia.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
User avatar
His Divine Shadow
Commence Primary Ignition
Posts: 12791
Joined: 2002-07-03 07:22am
Location: Finland, west coast

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by His Divine Shadow »

Well law enforcement has been known to take more extreme measures in the past according to this book:
The book Sixguns by Elmer Keith wrote:A case occurred in Wyoming where some good peace officers were killed trying to cross open ground against a desperate man who was a good rifle shot. They then called out the National Guard and brought up artillery and shelled the place after their man had long gone. His demise cost more lives before it was accomplished.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.
User avatar
Solauren
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10417
Joined: 2003-05-11 09:41pm

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by Solauren »

And... he surrendered
Police say suspect in 8 slayings in rural home of US state Virginia surrenders peacefully

APPOMATTOX, Va. - A man suspected of shooting eight people to death at a rural Virginia home and then firing at a police helicopter surrendered early Wednesday after an overnight manhunt, Virginia State Police said.

Sgt. Thomas Molnar said 39-year-old Christopher Speight approached officers at the scene of the shootings and turned himself in at about 7:10 a.m.

Speight was being taken to an undisclosed location to be interviewed, Molnar said. Charges were pending. Authorities said Speight was acquainted with the victims, but details of the relationships weren't released.

Police were still working to positively identify the victims and notify their families.

Molnar didn't know whether Speight was armed when he surrendered.

Speight's last known address was along the block where the shootings happened, but Molnar would not say whether the shootings happened at that address or another house.

The drama began around noon Tuesday when a man was spotted barely alive along the side of a narrow country road. The man died on the way to the hospital.

A deputy who answered the emergency call heard more gunshots, and seven other men and women were found dead inside and outside a nearby home.

Police surrounded a stretch of heavily wooded terrain overnight. As teams tried to flush out the gunman, he fired at a police helicopter and hit a fuel tank, forcing it to land. No police were injured.

Sheriff O. Wilson Staples said investigators believe Speight had weapons training based on the weapons found in his home, but he declined to elaborate.

The search had paralyzed the rural area near Appomattox, best known as the place where Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered to Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant in 1865 to end the U.S. Civil War. Four nearby schools serving about 2,000 students had planned to stay closed for the day before Speight surrendered.
I've been asked why I still follow a few of the people I know on Facebook with 'interesting political habits and view points'.

It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
Simon_Jester
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 30165
Joined: 2009-05-23 07:29pm

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by Simon_Jester »

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Yes, I know; I just wasn't being very clear. I meant in general, that on average probably 99.9% of bullets aimed at helicopters miss them. Granted, that's because a lot of them are fired by African militias, but... Whomever he is, I don't want to encounter him in a densely wooded area like that. There may still be more blood before this is over, but, frankly, we can probably hope for the best outcome to be that that blood comes from him sticking the barrel of one his guns in his mouth.
The helicopter may have been standing still or moving slowly, which would help, no?
This space dedicated to Vasily Arkhipov
User avatar
Losonti Tokash
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2916
Joined: 2004-09-29 03:02pm

Re: Gunman kills eight and forces down police helicopter in VA.

Post by Losonti Tokash »

Lonestar wrote:
[R_H] wrote:Is it uncommon for police helicopters to have FLIR in the USA? I ask because the first municipal police helicopter in Canada, the HAWC1 (operated by the Calgary Police Service) had both a searchlight (Spectrolab SX-16 Nightsun) and an infrared camera (Wescam 16DS-A).

Possibly uncommon in Appomattox, which is located in a distinctly rednecky-part of Virginia.
Along with that the fact that he'd already brought down one police chopper, in combination with the National Guard's assistance, meant that the police didn't really feel like risking more of their own equipment and personnel.
Post Reply