I don't think she thinks she is, she's never made a play for the Murrow hat. She's up front with the fact she is a liberal and that she offers liberal commentary. Unlike Keith who has yes men she does get into controversial interviews and they are normally very... very good. Keith has made the play for the Murrow hat with his special comments and use of the Murrow signup. He may even see himself that way. But Rachel? Your projecting Shep.
Nah, he's not. You misread him, Bean.
As for those poll numbers (and Dean's interpretation thereof) I find them very interesting, even encouraging. I was doubting, like most of you, that the Democrats as an institution were getting the message that they are betraying their base and may be punished for it. I still do, but maybe some of them get it. I'm also wondering if this is a response and if it will accomplish anything.
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"I pity the woman you marry." -Liberty
This is the guy they want to use to win over "young people?" Are they completely daft? I'd rather vote for a pile of shit than a Jesus freak social regressive.
Here's hoping that his political career goes down in flames and, hopefully, a hilarious gay sex scandal. -Tanasinn
You can't expect sodomy to ruin every conservative politician in this country. -Battlehymn Republic
It's a known fact that when the Democrats lose a seat to a Republican, it's because it's a referendum on liberal principles and no other reason, but when they gain a seat on a Republican, it's because the specific Republican was bad and totally didn't have to do with conservative principles at all.
It's absolutely impossible that the Democrats ran a poor campaign with a shitty candidate for a seat that they haven't had any practice running for in decades. it must be those liberal principles that are being rejected, even though the person who vacated the seat was one of the biggest liberals in congress and managed to become a Senator for Life, despite those principles which Massachusetts rejects!
Clearly, it was only because Kennedy possessed some sort of Mind Control ray did people keep voting for him over and over again, and the moment he was out of the way, it's suddenly a referendum on liberal principles. It must be the changing of the tide in Congress, I tell you!
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Mr Bean wrote:
I don't think she thinks she is, she's never made a play for the Murrow hat. She's up front with the fact she is a liberal and that she offers liberal commentary. Unlike Keith who has yes men she does get into controversial interviews and they are normally very... very good. Keith has made the play for the Murrow hat with his special comments and use of the Murrow signup. He may even see himself that way. But Rachel? Your projecting Shep.
The reason Republitards don't appear on Olbermann's show is that they're cowards and want to no part of tangling with him, plus the fact that he refuses to do a show where one person shouts down another long enough for the host to say that's all the time they have. Rachel Maddow is much more polite and well-mannered, but few members of the Torture Party want any part of her, either.
Elfdart wrote:
The reason Republitards don't appear on Olbermann's show is that they're cowards and want to no part of tangling with him, plus the fact that he refuses to do a show where one person shouts down another long enough for the host to say that's all the time they have. Rachel Maddow is much more polite and well-mannered, but few members of the Torture Party want any part of her, either.
She still does manage to land interviews that Keith does not. Be it Obama or a former Chicago politico who tried to sell Obama's seat. Also she is constantly offering on her show the chance for people like Michael Steel to come on. No such mention on Keith's show.
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While Olbermann has never (and I mean never) approached the same level of shitheadery that beck regularly lowers himself to, Tonight's special comment was as close as I've ever seen him come. The recent supreme court decision has got him scared shitless (I understand that feeling all to well) and it shows. Normally he has to do a comment about an issue multiple times in order to get worked up over it, but tonight he was pissed, and it shows.
And this is why you don't watch anything produced by Ronald D. Moore after he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a bag of elephant semen.-Gramzamber, on why Caprica sucks
Small tangent here, last Tuesday and yesterday the TV was nothing but how populace rage against Democrats and their arrogance and being in bed with Wall Street elected Brown and how that was going to affect national policy. Today, Obama declares war against the big bankers and the SCOTUS give corporate America free license to buy election. With all the fervor the Right stirred up against Washington power brokers and such, did the SCOTUS just open the door for the Democrats to steal the populace rage back to them to fight the banks, Wall Street, the Insurance Companies, and corporate American in general along with corporate America's best buddy the GOP?
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
No, because the GOP is never going to allow anything that interferes with Wall Street to pass, so they will simply stall. Then come election time all of the pro-business people on both sides of the aisle will get buried in corporate donations and nothing will change.
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Edi wrote:No, because the GOP is never going to allow anything that interferes with Wall Street to pass, so they will simply stall. Then come election time all of the pro-business people on both sides of the aisle will get buried in corporate donations and nothing will change.
I'm not sure you're following me; this summer the mid term election kicks off. Could the Democrats coopt this populace rage and end up in an even better position next legislative year?
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Knife wrote:I'm not sure you're following me; this summer the mid term election kicks off. Could the Democrats coopt this populace rage and end up in an even better position next legislative year?
I don't think the national party will be able to do it, but we might see a shift towards the left wing of the Democrats in the primaries. The best outcome I think is plausible is that when the dust clears in December 2010, we end up with a Congress that's split more like 55/45 in the Democrats' favor, with a stronger confrontational impulse because there are more actual liberals and fewer fake-Democrats in office. That might actually be more effective than the paralytic majority we saw this year.
What's been killing the Democrats this year, I think, is that they had the illusion of a filibuster-proof majority without the reality, because of the conservative Democrats. So they wasted an enormous amount of time trying to win over Just! One! More! "Centrist!" It might have been smarter for them to admit "OK, statistically speaking, we have 55 votes, tops. How can we get the maximum effect out of those 55, instead of sacrificing an arm and a leg to get up to 60?"
