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It's a few days old, but I still hadn't seen anything about this here.

Seriously - I hope that this "aid" shipment got "lost" before embarkation and was replaced by something worthwhile.
ABC.net.au wrote:Solar-powered Bibles sent to Haiti

Posted Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:39pm AEDT

As international aid agencies rush food, water and medicine to Haiti's earthquake victims, a United States group is sending Bibles.

But these aren't just any Bibles; they're solar-powered audible Bibles that can broadcast the holy scriptures in Haitian Creole to 300 people at a time.

The Faith Comes By Hearing organisation says its Bible, called the Proclaimer, delivers "digital quality" and is designed for "poor and illiterate people".

It says 600 of the devices are already on their way to Haiti.

The Albuquerque-based organisation says it is responding to the Haitian crisis by "providing faith, hope and love through God's word in audio".

The audio Bible can bring the "hope and comfort that comes from knowing God has not forgotten them through this tragedy," a statement on its website says.

"The Proclaimer is self-powered and can play the Bible in the jungle, desert or ... even on the moon!"

Tens of thousands of Port-au-Prince residents are living outdoors because their homes have collapsed or they fear aftershocks following Wednesday's quake.

- Reuters
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Wait, does it have a jack for headphones? Because I don't see it actually working on the moon otherwise.
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Audible Bible? Is that, like, in cassette or something? And aren't the Haitians already Christian, anyway?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Audible Bible? Is that, like, in cassette or something? And aren't the Haitians already Christian, anyway?
Haiti is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic, last I checked. It'd be safe to assume that the organization sending those audio Bibles over to Haiti is run by Protestant fundies, who obviously don't consider Catholics to be "true Christians."
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How much water could you stick in a container capable of carrying 600 of the damn things? How many doses of pennicilin?

Who the fuck finances shit like that, anyway?
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Wow, I'm sure the Haitians will be glad to have these honky-dory paperweights to cart around while looking for food and stuff.
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Beyond the fact that there are much more important life-sustaining things that could be sent, these Audio-Books could do one very important thing: give the people something to do. They may find comfort in sitting and listening to the Bible while everything seems hopeless.
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Kodiak wrote:Beyond the fact that there are much more important life-sustaining things that could be sent, these Audio-Books could do one very important thing: give the people something to do. They may find comfort in sitting and listening to the Bible while everything seems hopeless.
Assuming they actually get distributed at all. Useless donations like these can actually cause more harm than they help because they're not vital supplies, which they're already going to have enough trouble distributing, and they're going to be a hassle to dispose of.
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Sometimes life imitates comedy:

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MARADI, NIGER—More than 60,000 urgently needed Bibles arrived to allay suffering throughout the famine-stricken nation of Niger Friday, in one of the largest humanitarian-relief operations ever attempted by a Christian ministry.

"Come rejoice, and feast upon the word of Our Lord, Jesus Christ," said Christina Clarkson, executive director of the Living Light Ministries of Lubbock, TX. "Those who were hungry, hunger no more, for the Word brings life."

An exuberant Clarkson said the Bible drop was the culmination of one of the largest and most aggressive grassroots fundraising drives ever undertaken by the organization, which was able to fund the mission largely through local charitable events, such as bake-offs, barbecues, and pie-eating contests.

"We absolutely would not be here today if it were not for the amazing generosity of the people back home," Clarkson said. "People everywhere opened up their hearts and checkbooks to us and said, 'Dig in.'"

Niger, ranked as the second-poorest nation on Earth, is experiencing its worst famine in more than 20 years, as a brutal drought last year was followed by a plague of crop-destroying locusts. An estimated 3.5 million of Niger's 12 million people are currently at risk of starvation.

"That's why it was so important for this mission to happen right now," said Clarkson. "So many people here are suffering. Disease, starvation, and lack of shelter are day-to-day realities in Niger. But once they hear the Good News of Jesus Christ and accept Him as their Lord and Savior—once they really take Him into their hearts—then they will see what poor comforts are the things of this world."

Due to the tireless efforts of Clarkson and other members of the congregation, the ministry was able to provide the needy with Bibles superior to the ones they use in their own church services.

"Handcrafted, genuine leather—best money can buy," said 61-year-old missionary Don Kostic as he ran his hand along the book's ornately embossed spine. "It's like my wife back home says: Nothing is too good for people who are ready to receive the Living Word of Christ."

Although the fundraising efforts were unprecedented, congregation members said Living Light would never have succeeded had they not obtained the generous support of an array of corporate sponsors, including Applebee's and Church's Fried Chicken.

"We spent so much money just to get here," Kostic continued. "After we had all the Bibles engraved, we still had to charter the plane. When we landed in Niamey, we could barely even afford ground transportation."

Undaunted, the missionaries purchased the best vehicle they could find, which turned out to be a used bread truck. "That old thing!" recalled Kostic, laughing. "We must've scrubbed it down a hundred times. You couldn't get the smell of freshly baked, vitamin-fortified bread out of it if your life depended on it."

Reaction among Niger residents has been mixed.

Moussa Yaouli, a 35-year-old farmer, was particularly interested to learn more about the doctrine of transubstantiation, which Living Light personnel told him involved the eating of wafers. "It is said to be a big wafer. I am sure it will feed many of my children."

Though "spiritually gratified" by their work, many of the missionaries spoke about the difficulties of working in an impoverished country.

"It can be so hard being away from the comfort of our homes and our loving families," Clarkson confided. "I will admit, there have been times when I prayed, 'Lord, just help me get through this mission and get me back to Texas!' But when we rolled into town and people started running after the truck with those big smiles on their faces, I couldn't help but smile back."

Clarkson added: "And when we opened up the back of the truck and they saw that it was full of Bibles... Grown men and women wept in front of their children. That's how moved they were by the Holy Spirit. That's how I know it's all been worth it."

Clarkson said her mission will succeed in bringing the people of Niger "the spiritual sustenance they've been deprived of," despite such obstacles as the nation's 18 percent literacy rate.

"You say you're suffering. I say, let the good Lord do the suffering for you," she said. "You say you're exhibiting the deleterious effects of severe dehydration and chronic malnutrition. And I say that no matter what ails you, the Holy Bible is the best medicine there is."
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Audible Bible? Is that, like, in cassette or something? And aren't the Haitians already Christian, anyway?
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PeZook wrote:How much water could you stick in a container capable of carrying 600 of the damn things? How many doses of pennicilin?

Who the fuck finances shit like that, anyway?
More important:
Why do they let shit like this into the country?
Or rather, who let's such stuff clog up the supply lines.

The money is not the important part - but this is one container that, if filled with medicine, could propably save dozens of lifes.
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Once upon a time, I used to wonder how evangelicals could be such shameless dickheads (I have long given up looking for an answer). Surely Jesus would want them to send something immediately useful like food, medicine or freshwater?
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bobalot wrote:Surely Jesus would want them to send something immediately useful like food, medicine or freshwater?
It's not as straightforward, it seems there are many Protestant doctrines where saving a man's soul is more important than saving him from death. You can see the problem right there.

Not even the Catholic Church does that shit anymore, but I guess that's why they're not Real Christians according to some more extreme nutbars.
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Yet atheists are labelled as "Strident" and described to be as "fundamentalist" as the evangelicals when they simply point out how damaging such doctrines are in the real world.
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This is a dark but humourous thought. What happens if some extrepreneur buys the Bibles dumped into disaster zone areas and sells them on ebay or a flee market for profit. Keep in mind that in the examples listed it seems like they put some work into the Bibles from being solar powered to being bound in the finest leather. Since the charities are giving them away they have no logical grounds to complain.
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bobalot wrote:Once upon a time, I used to wonder how evangelicals could be such shameless dickheads (I have long given up looking for an answer). Surely Jesus would want them to send something immediately useful like food, medicine or freshwater?
Right now money is the most useful thing someone could send. Food, medicine and water have to be checked by the workers already there to make sure they're actually usable, or not contaminated. Frankly they don't have the manpower for that. It also costs more money to ship a package of something there than for an aid organization to purchase the equivalent themselves.
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Fundies are so heavenly minded that they are no Earthly good. One might point out particular Bible verses to persuade them to help (send food, water, medicine, etc) rather than proselytize, but they have their own favourite proof texts to support their dogma. So that leaves us to roll our eyes, gripe on sympathetic forums. . .and step up to help the way they aren't.
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General Trelane (Retired) wrote:. . .and step up to help the way they aren't.
Like donating cash to one of the groups that's already there and doing stuff. The article I posted above rather neatly explains why a lot of these "aid attempts" can actually do more harm than good.
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remember the story of feeding the multitude where Jesus fed a group of 5000 with 2 fish and 5 loaves, by converting the food into audio bibles. Wait no it was more food cause solving hunger with books is retarted.
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Typical solar powered bible. It costs about a hundred dollars.


Teh Proclaimer seems larger and more primitive in design. There is a PDF manual on the official page link. Quickly skimming the manual reveals.

- It is dependent on the battery to operate just like many solar powered devices.

- Once the battery dies the device is almost useless. Normal batteries can not be used inplace of OEM supplied batteries once they fail.

- Overall its a huge device that will brick itself in rough conditions. A 20 dollar chineese mp3 player would have impressed more people.
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Thanks for your spirited dialog about the solar powered audio Bibles. For those who want the full story, here goes...

Even if you are a person of faith or not, we all agree that food, water, medical supplies, doctors, nurses, etc., are first priority.

First things first, these audio Bibles are NOT displacing ANY essential aid to these people who have suffered so much. They aren't getting airdropped before essentials or ported in before vials of life-saving serum. They are still in the states enroute to dozens of relief groups who have called ASKING for them.

The Haitians have been preyed upon for a long-time by those interested in exploiting their natural resources and impoverishing their people.

Our non-profit believes the people of Haiti are that nation’s most precious resource and we desire to empower them with the Scriptures (in which they believe) in a format they can use. Roughly half the nation is unable to read and predominantly Christian (Catholics included), so giving them the Bible in their language and in a format they can use–audio, is completely reasonable.

Our organization has been working with the Haitians since 1986. We didn't lose any friends (thanks for asking), but they lost their livelihoods and, unfortunately, some family members. A Haitian friend of mine's cousin was stuck in the rubble and they couldn't get him out. I haven't heard if they got him out alive.

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audiobible wrote:First things first, these audio Bibles are NOT displacing ANY essential aid to these people who have suffered so much. They aren't getting airdropped before essentials or ported in before vials of life-saving serum. They are still in the states enroute to dozens of relief groups who have called ASKING for them.
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Thanks for asking...

Convoy of Hope, a major disaster relief organization
Haitian Bible Society
Dominican Republic Bible Society
BGCT
Bridgebuilders
SCORE Intl.
YWAM missionary
IMB missionary
A team of Christian physicians from Illinois
Other smaller teams that churches are mobilizing for long-term needs, headed by nurses.

These groups are doing everything from beans, rice, water, fuel and medical supplies to skilled labor--doctors, nurses, water purification teams, etc.
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Convoy of Hope, disaster relief team that has helped millions. (Were feeding 3000 Haitians/day before this terrible quake)
the Haitian Bible Society
the Dominican Republic Bible Society
BGCT
Bridgebuilders
SCORE Intl.
a YWAM missionary
an IMB missionary
a team of Christian physicians
and some smaller church groups mobilizing for long-term trips, made up of nurses and other skilled laborers.

These groups span the spectrum from disaster relief, feeding stations, beans, rice, water, fuel delivery, water purification, surgeons, nurses, etc.
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Sarevok wrote:Overall its a huge device that will brick itself in rough conditions. A 20 dollar chineese mp3 player would have impressed more people.
Now I'm curious: If you were to LITERALLY use the Audio Bible as a brick, and build a wall with it, will the thing actually hold up to standards set by everyone's favorite building material? Or is the device too fragile to be laid using mortar?
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