Racism in Australia

[weemadando]

I think that this just about covers the core of the issue.

Revenge of the Little Aussie Dead Shit
January 12, 2010

So, the Little Aussie Dead Shit has finally had his day.

The news came through last week in its usual oblique manner - the number of Indians applying for visas to come study here dropped by half over a six-month period, from roughly 20,000 to 10,000.

There are of course, multiple reasons, for such a drop - reports that Australia is not paradise, stories of students who have done their money on failed colleges, colleges that do not provide quality education, as well as reasons external to Australia (say, other countries offering better deals).

But the Little Aussie Dead Shit bashed enough Indians to have an effect, have no doubt about it.

The Dead Shit is much under-represented in our literature, absent from our self-mythologising and non-existent in our media. In popular culture only TISM and a few films have spotted the Dead Shit and brought him into focus.

But we all know him. He was the kid at primary school who picked on the littlest, weakest kid in preps. As time rolled on and his powers of perception increased, he then picked on the kid who was the most unco-ordinated and incapable of fighting. Chances are he then picked on girls, when it dawned on him that girls are not as physically strong as boys. But just to be on the safe side, he usually picked on younger girls. The Little Aussie Dead Shit doesn't know a lot about girls.

Which is perhaps why, after he leaves school, frequently because he has been asked to, because he has progressively spent his years harassing the most intelligent, the most artistic and the most likely to be gay, the Little Aussie Dead Shit finds his next target: the blokes that girls like. Yep, the story behind most nightclub violence is drearily the same. The Dead Shit goes to the nightclub, gets all jealous when the girls don't talk to him, then bashes someone that the girls do talk to. Makes sense really, get rid of the competition.

That phase passes when he no longer has any mates to help him do the bashing. He is nothing without his mates. With a bit of luck he might get to bully some apprentices, in the event he has a job, until he finds a new victim - the new boy. And the newest of the new boys is the Indian student. A perfect victim: alone, different, defenceless.

For there is one common theme with the Dead Shit. His target is whomsoever he perceives, through his limited perceptual apparatus, to be different - and in a minority. For the Dead Shit is very timid - he will never take on anyone in power or anyone in the majority.

And so we have it: after a lifetime of fucking up the educational experience of pretty much everyone else, the Dead Shit has now managed through his own brutal stupidity to cruel an entire section of the education industry. That it may be a shitty industry in the first place, set up to subsidise the education of Australians that the government no longer wants to pay for, where the students sometimes don't want to learn but simply want to qualify for residency, may mean it is no bad thing - but it's no less ironic for that.

And so the Little Aussie Dead Shit will in time go home, to the poor woman who has become his wife, bully her and in turn her children - and the whole process begins all over again.

Copyright Michael Epis

[UnderAGreySky]

Oops.

Indian beaten up by mob in Australia

Another Indian has been attacked in Australia, this time in Sydney.

The victim is a 28-year-old man who was at a beach in Sydney when he was reportedly attacked by a group of Australian-born boys and girls. Other people in the beach allegedly did not help him.

He called the police himself who took 40 minutes to reach him. The attackers reportedly admitted that they had punched and kicked the Indian, who is a permanent resident of Australia and has lived there for 11 years.

The victim is being taken for an internal medical check-up and x-rays. He complains of extreme pain in his back, neck and head.

You know what I think will happen? Those students who have multiple options of higher education - more likely to be the better ones - will now choose another destination over Australia. The number of Indian students will eventually remain more or less the same, just that the new lot will be less capable than the previous. This is, of course, assuming that some Australian universities are top of the line and they are being chosen because of their competence and not ease of admission. I've heard good things about Aussie MBA schools...

[UnderAGreySky]

Two today

One four days ago

One from the day before that

A refreshing change from the beatings, I suppose

How about some arson, now?

So... wtf is happening, and will it stop?

[weemadando]

WTF is happening is rampant violence in Australia linked to a culture of alcoholism, nationalism and idiocy.

Let's look at other racist incidents in Melbourne. It's Australian Open time, so let's have some:

Croatians doing various salutes (Nazi, Croat or Serb nationalist depending on your interpretation) at the police who had kicked them out of the arena. But of course, according to the Croat community spokeslady, this isn't anything racist or intimidating, no - it's just being misinterpreted. And of course, no other community has ever been so villified in Australian history.

But it is alcohol and the culture surrounding it that's the issue. Liquor licensing is being reformed at the moment, but it's aimed the wrong way. The costs have skyrocketed so that locals and venues that aren't traditional troublespots can no longer afford the fees and are closing, but the massive pubs and clubs that the violence is endemic too are unaffected.

The police have been degraded in capability (in the public's eye, if not in fact) through the dropping of many recruitment requirements (much lower physical capability requirements for women etc). This led to [anecdotally] a drop in police morale as well as a spike in violence against police and resisting arrest. Because, it turns out that drunken idiots when confronted by a 5ft tall female officer are a lot less likely to comply than when facing a six foot male officer.

So, rampant alcoholism, a police force that lacks the fear and respect of the public and a nasty racist streak across all segments of Australian society? Yeah. That's a recipe for violence every day and every night of the year.

[mr friendly guy]

According to one of the articles it showed Indians being refused to a Melbourne bar for no apparent reason given everyone else was going in and the Indians seem to have the required prerequisites, eg dress, proof of age etc.

"Police said we'll come there as soon as possible. I got a call after 20 minutes. There was a guy from the police who said 'What's the issue'? Can you please elaborate'? When I explained the situation to him, he said 'sorry sir, this is not a case of racism. There's nothing we can do about it'," Aggarwal said.

Initially I might have let Victorian police off lightly with the statement that the attacks aren't racist (as opposed to we have no evidence its racist, but saying it isn't when you barely investigated seems jumping the gun), but after this, I am sorry. The authorities aren't just incompetent, but they wouldn't know what the fuck racism is even if they had a dictionary shoved in their faces. Its like my goddamn shithole primary school. Fuck these wankers. If India decides to issue a warning to their citizens to avoid Australia as its "unsafe", well I wouldn't blame them.

[weemadando]

Given my experience in working door occassionally as well as the stories of those with much more experience at it than me and the police who I know - never believe anything that someone is saying at the door or what they said happened at the door. There's been no CCTV released so I'm remaining sceptical. There's no end of reasons why they could have been refused entry and all we have here is a "he said, she said" case. Could race have been a reason? Sure. But they could also have been barred simply because a doorman didn't like one of their shirts.

And seriously, calling the police because you aren't being let into a bar? That's the sign of either a drunken idiot or a regular idiot. If that bar doesn't want your custom, don't waste your fucking time and money trying to get in a spend it elsewhere. This is on the same level as those dumb fuckers who call the police because McDonalds don't have any McNuggets left.

[bobalot]

And seriously, calling the police because you aren't being let into a bar? That's the sign of either a drunken idiot or a regular idiot. If that bar doesn't want your custom, don't waste your fucking time and money trying to get in a spend it elsewhere. This is on the same level as those dumb fuckers who call the police because McDonalds don't have any McNuggets left.

I agree. What type of retard calls the police for that? How doe she even know its race? Bouncers don't let people in for not having the right shoes,t-shirt, lack of women in the group entering, etc. I get annoyed when people cry racism for trivial stuff like this. There are plenty of pubs around that accept everybody.

[mr friendly guy]

And seriously, calling the police because you aren't being let into a bar? That's the sign of either a drunken idiot or a regular idiot. If that bar doesn't want your custom, don't waste your fucking time and money trying to get in a spend it elsewhere. This is on the same level as those dumb fuckers who call the police because McDonalds don't have any McNuggets left.

I agree that calling the police isn't the appropriate authority. Heck even Today Tonight would be better since even if a business didn't want a customer's money because of racism, its not just "their loss", the business needs to be mocked over their racist attitude.* However what irked me was that they couldn't help not because it wasn't a police matter, but because they don't seem to think its racist. Not we think you information is flawed, not bars have lots of silly reasons not to let anyone in, but this doesn't seem to be racist.

* I will elaborate with several examples in Australia where the people subjected to racism didn't just take it lying down and "take their money elsewhere" but drew attention to it and made the businesses embarrassed.

1. IIRC it was either QANTAS or the now defunct Ansett - when a white passagenger was asked by staff if she would like to move away from the Aborigines sitting next to her and they "would understand". Too bad those Aborigines were her friends.

2. The lead singer of Yothu Yindu being refused entry into a diner with his white friends. This drew lots of attention several years ago.

[UnderAGreySky]

I don't find it implausible that it's more *violence* or *racism against non-locals/non-caucasians" than *anti-Indian behaviour* - but that worries me even more. How many offences happen that don't get published in India because they do not happen against Indians?

[weemadando]

Lots and lots. As I've said previously, there's violence from every group, against every other group. Indian's who I know at work have told me about them and their friends starting fights out on the town. This shouldn't come as a surprise, because if a group of 10 drunk guys of any race are wandering around Melbourne at 2am, then they're bound to start some shit. No group can dodge blame here.

And there's also been hte usual amount of crime committed by and within the Indian community, just like you'd expect from any demographic. But of course, this doesn't raise nationalist hackles nearly as much

Note how little play the murder of an Indian by two fellow Indians has gotten.

The murder of an Indian wife by her Indian husband

Or another possible one: A taxi driver (who based on the description sounds Indian - but I'm not going to say that they were) who assaulted passengers for vomiting.

[thejester]

Lots.

As I said at the start of the thread, the general rise in street crime and knife crime in particular in Melbourne has been well documented over the past two years. It's almost certainly going to be the key issue at this years state election.

[weemadando]

I have to imagine that we'll see a real slug fest over policing numbers and policy as well as public transport (manned stations coming back?).

[Shroom Man 777]

What's happening to your country, guys?

[UnderAGreySky]

weemadando - fair point, those incidents will not be reported*. The rationale used will be "But those were not due to 'racism'", which in some ways is understandable, but still strikes me as fairly hypocritical. I'm sure here in the UK there are enough incidents between Indians themselves or Indians and Pakistanis considering the humongous numbers of boroughs and cities with South Asians in them; but I haven't really heard of racism except for the one case in Scotland where an Indian Merchant Navy captain was attacked by what (I think) turned out to be skinheads.

That said, this is going to hurt 1) Australian universities as they - all around the continent - will unfortunately get tarred with the same brush and 2) Melbourne specifically, as I see more tourists avoid the city. Maybe it's time the police force was given a slightly more free hand?

*However, allegations of rape made by an Australian (white) model on an Indo-Australian were duly reported, and thankfully without any spin on the story.

[weemadando]

That said, this is going to hurt 1) Australian universities as they - all around the continent - will unfortunately get tarred with the same brush

Or it could be the best thing for Australian universities. Break the dependence on foreign student money and go back to being educational/research institutions - not degree factories. It would also probably help if we could have the Federal gov't reform HECS/HELP out of existence and return to a free(er) university system.

and 2) Melbourne specifically, as I see more tourists avoid the city. Maybe it's time the police force was given a slightly more free hand?

Harsher penalties for first time offenders on drunkeness and disorder charges. Not a warning or probation, but give them a few hundred hours of community service or something. The main problem as I see it is that people have lost any sense of responsibility and consequence.

[GuppyShark]

2) Melbourne specifically, as I see more tourists avoid the city. Maybe it's time the police force was given a slightly more free hand?

I would not like to see the Victorian police given extra powers just because of a handful of deaths. And ultimately that is all this is, people are murdered in every city in the world.

[weemadando]

2) Melbourne specifically, as I see more tourists avoid the city. Maybe it's time the police force was given a slightly more free hand?

I would not like to see the Victorian police given extra powers just because of a handful of deaths. And ultimately that is all this is, people are murdered in every city in the world.

And everyone remembers the Victorian Police before they were given this overhaul... You certainly don't want to return to that.

[UnderAGreySky]

Two More Students Attacked

BUT

Eight persons, described as being of Asian appearance, have been arrested after several hours of the incident and were being questioned, police said in a statement.

I suppose "Asian" means East Asian (or as it was called, Oriental)? Because I'm sure that's what it means out in the US.

[Shroom Man 777]

Why does the article bother with their described appearances? Would the article have said "described as being of Caucasian appearance" if a bunch of whiteys did it?

But I love how frankly the Australian government official describes the whole sad affair though.

"There are some idiots out there who perpetrated terrible attacks on some Indian students," Immigration Minister Chris Evans said condemning the latest attacks.

If only more people used less wishy-washy words and instead started calling these folks assholes and idiots more often, it'd be great. Fucking Apartheid Australia.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I suppose "Asian" means East Asian (or as it was called, Oriental)? Because I'm sure that's what it means out in the US.

Actually, in British 'commonwealth speak' most commonly means Indian or Pakistani. Ask for an 'asian' restraunt in London and you'll find curry.

[weemadando]

I suppose "Asian" means East Asian (or as it was called, Oriental)? Because I'm sure that's what it means out in the US.

Actually, in British 'commonwealth speak' most commonly means Indian or Pakistani. Ask for an 'asian' restraunt in London and you'll find curry.

No, in Australia Asian means East Asian, Indian means Indian.

[bobalot]

I suppose "Asian" means East Asian (or as it was called, Oriental)? Because I'm sure that's what it means out in the US.

Actually, in British 'commonwealth speak' most commonly means Indian or Pakistani. Ask for an 'asian' restraunt in London and you'll find curry.

Not in Australia though. "Asian" generally means a person of "oriental" appearance.