German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

User avatar
Serafina
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5246
Joined: 2009-01-07 05:37pm
Location: Germany

German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Serafina »

german source

A german couple (evangelical christians) with five children claimed "religious persecution" because Germany does not allow homeschooling.
They have been granted asylum in Morristown, Tennessee.

German law requires children of a certain age to attend school. While parents may choose the school, only accredited ones are allowed. Therefore, homeschooling is against the law. Parents can be sentenced to fines or even prison if they do not let their children attend school.

USA Today article
MORRISTOWN, Tenn. — Homeschooling is so important to Uwe Romeike that the classically trained pianist sold his beloved grand pianos to pay for moving his wife and five children from Germany to the Smoky Mountain foothills of Tennessee.

Romeike (roh-MY'-kee), his wife Hannelore, and their children live in a modest duplex about 40 miles northeast of Knoxville while they seek political asylum here. They say they were persecuted for their evangelical Christian beliefs and homeschooling their children in Germany, where school attendance is compulsory.

When the Romeikes wouldn't comply with repeated orders to send the children to school, police came to their home one October morning in 2006 and took the children, crying and upset, to school.

"We tried not to open the door, but they (police) kept ringing the doorbell for 15 or 20 minutes," Romeike said. "They called us by phone and spoke on the answering machine and said they would knock open the door if we didn't open it. So I opened it."

Romeike, like many conservative parents in the U.S., said he wanted to teach his own children because his children's German school textbooks contained language and ideas that conflicted with his family's values.

He had to pay fines equivalent to hundreds of dollars for his decision, and he's afraid that if he returns to Germany, police will arrest him and government authorities will take away his children, who range in age from 11 to 3.

The Romeike asylum case is expected to go before an immigration judge in Memphis on Thursday, according to Michael Donnelly, an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association representing the family.

Bernadette Meyler, a Cornell Law School professor who has studied differences in religious liberty between the U.S. and Europe, said she's never heard of another case like this in the U.S.

Ana Santiago, a regional spokeswoman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the agency is barred from discussing specific political asylum cases and doesn't keep track of the reasons asylum is granted.

Donnelly says the Romeikes saw more freedom to homeschool in the U.S.

"Germany sticks out in the midst of Western Europe for having this harsh repression against parents," Donnelly said. "They have this notion that homeschool creates this parallel society and they deem that as dangerous."

Lutz Gorgens, German consul general for the Southeast U.S., said he's not familiar with the Romeikes' specific situation but believes the claim of persecution is "far-fetched." He defended Germany's requirements for public education.

"For reasons deeply rooted in history and our belief that only schools properly can ensure the desired level of excellent education, we (Germany) go a little bit beyond that path which other countries have chosen," Gorgens said.

Germany's approach to homeschooling is starkly different to the U.S. and other European countries. Homeschool students have been growing by an estimated 8% annually in the U.S. and as of 2007 totaled about 1.5 million.

Only about 500 children in Germany are taught at home, experts estimate.

Romeike took his three oldest children out of school in Bietigheim-Bissingen in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg in 2006.

His oldest child, Daniel, had a health textbook that used slang terms to describe sexual relations — including the German equivalent of the "F-word." Other schoolbooks taught disrespect of authority figures and had images and tales about the occult, that included vampires and witches, Romeike said.

"It's really different in public schools today than when I was in public school," Romeike said. "They (the state) believe children must be socialized and all kids must grow up the same and act the same, otherwise they wouldn't fit in society."

German state constitutions require children attend public schools. Parents who don't comply face punishment ranging from fines to prison time. Germany's highest appellate court ruled in November 2007 that, in severe cases, social services officials could remove children from their parents' care.

Not long after the Romeikes removed their children from school in September 2006, the principal talked to the parents about their concerns but urged them to send their children back to class. A letter from town mayor said the couple would be fined 30 euros per child each day they weren't in school. When the Romeikes didn't comply, police went to the home the following month.

Susanne Neib, spokeswoman for Baden-Wuerttemberg's Ministry of Education, Youth Affairs and Sports, said that when authorities learn of cases like the Romeikes, they visit the home to explain the benefits of public school.

She said the state tries to intervene against homeschooling very rarely, though she declined to estimate how often such cases arise.

The Romeikes went before a German district judge in 2007 to defend their homeschooling but lost, and higher courts refused to look at the case.

Donnelly's group helped the family move last August to Morristown, where the Romeikes say numerous other families homeschool their children.

Meyler said the U.S. is more tolerant of homeschooling because of religion's prominence in the country's founding. Germany is more concerned about educating students equally, she said.

"The idea is homeschooling might lead to the emergence of separate societies that would not share the same vision of the (German) state," Meyler said.

But interest in homeschooling hasn't died out. Elisabeth Kuhnle of the Network for Education Freedom, a German homeschool advocacy group, says as many as 50 families attended a recent meeting in Baden-Wuerttemberg.

The consul, Gorgens, and other officials maintain that most parents in Germany believe it's most appropriate to send children to schools.

"If you put that to a vote, I'm sure that the obligation to send kids to school would be overwhelmingly accepted. It's a popular thing, which does not say that every single parent is happy about it."
In my opionion, this has nothing to do with religion. Religion may be the motivator, but the requirement to send children to school has nothing to do with religion. Even compared to bad public schools, parents simply can not educate their children equally well. Since education is basic right, parents have no right to deny it to their children - in my opinion, this is a form of mistreatement.
SoS:NBA GALE Force
"Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent." - Sir Nitram
"The world owes you nothing but painful lessons" - CaptainChewbacca
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." - Wilhelm Stekel
"In 1969 it was easier to send a man to the Moon than to have the public accept a homosexual" - Broomstick

Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)
User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 30779
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Thanas »

Well, I for one don't really care about Fundies much and the fewer there are left in Germany, the better. If Tennessee wants them, it can gladly have them. Good riddance.

EDIT: I wonder how long it will take for them to scream: "ZOMG. NAZIS RETURNING"
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs
User avatar
Serafina
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5246
Joined: 2009-01-07 05:37pm
Location: Germany

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Serafina »

Thanas wrote:Well, I for one don't really care about Fundies much and the fewer there are left in Germany, the better. If Tennessee wants them, it can gladly have them. Good riddance.

EDIT: I wonder how long it will take for them to scream: "ZOMG. NAZIS RETURNING"
Already happened in a way - a american lawyers organisation for homeschooling proclaimed that we have such "rigourous" school attendance laws because Hitler introduced them to keep the people in line. And of course, we still have it for the same reason.
So there you have it - public schools are made by Hitler :roll:
SoS:NBA GALE Force
"Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent." - Sir Nitram
"The world owes you nothing but painful lessons" - CaptainChewbacca
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." - Wilhelm Stekel
"In 1969 it was easier to send a man to the Moon than to have the public accept a homosexual" - Broomstick

Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)
User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 30779
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Thanas »

I am sure Frederick the Great equals Hitler. :roll:
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs
User avatar
Tanasinn
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1765
Joined: 2007-01-21 10:10pm
Location: Void Zone

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Tanasinn »

Anything that conservatives or religious zealots don't like is either a product of the NSDAP or COMMUNISM.

Wait, I take that back. Can't forget the terrorists that hate our freedom, after all.

This is galling mostly because the last thing this country needs is more worthless evangelical retards.
Truth fears no trial.
User avatar
Stark
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 36169
Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Stark »

How does this process work? Did these guys get fasttracked past all the people from actual shitholes who need aslyum from actual danger?
User avatar
Serafina
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5246
Joined: 2009-01-07 05:37pm
Location: Germany

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Serafina »

Stark wrote:How does this process work? Did these guys get fasttracked past all the people from actual shitholes who need aslyum from actual danger?
I don't know, but they have lived there for about a year - and it propably helped that they are white christians.
SoS:NBA GALE Force
"Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent." - Sir Nitram
"The world owes you nothing but painful lessons" - CaptainChewbacca
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." - Wilhelm Stekel
"In 1969 it was easier to send a man to the Moon than to have the public accept a homosexual" - Broomstick

Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)
User avatar
Akhlut
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2660
Joined: 2005-09-06 02:23pm
Location: The Burger King Bathroom

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Akhlut »

Stark wrote:How does this process work? Did these guys get fasttracked past all the people from actual shitholes who need aslyum from actual danger?
He apparently moved from Germany to the US (the article mentioned he sold 5 of his grand pianos to move to the US) and then sought asylum, from what I gathered.

Plus, as far as I know, the US doesn't really grab people from shitholes and grants them asylum, but waits for people to make it to the US first and then they can apply for asylum.
SDNet: Unbelievable levels of pedantry that you can't find anywhere else on the Internet!
User avatar
D.Turtle
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1909
Joined: 2002-07-26 08:08am
Location: Bochum, Germany

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by D.Turtle »

Good riddance.

They could have simply sent their children to a private christian school (including the teaching of creationism, unfortunately) if it was that important to them.

Might be interesting to see what the response from some of the evangelical churches here in Germany will be.
How does this process work? Did these guys get fasttracked past all the people from actual shitholes who need aslyum from actual danger?
They (or better that Homeschooling organisation) asked for asylum in 2008 (note that the USA Today article is from March 2009). So it took quite a while.
User avatar
Uraniun235
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13772
Joined: 2002-09-12 12:47am
Location: OREGON
Contact:

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Uraniun235 »

The Romeike asylum case is expected to go before an immigration judge in Memphis on Thursday, according to Michael Donnelly, an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association representing the family.
The impression I got from the article is not that asylum has been granted yet, but that they're still seeking asylum.
"There is no "taboo" on using nuclear weapons." -Julhelm
Image
What is Project Zohar?
"On a serious note (well not really) I did sometimes jump in and rate nBSG episodes a '5' before the episode even aired or I saw it." - RogueIce explaining that episode ratings on SDN tv show threads are bunk
User avatar
Serafina
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5246
Joined: 2009-01-07 05:37pm
Location: Germany

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Serafina »

Uraniun235 wrote:
The Romeike asylum case is expected to go before an immigration judge in Memphis on Thursday, according to Michael Donnelly, an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association representing the family.
The impression I got from the article is not that asylum has been granted yet, but that they're still seeking asylum.
According to the german source, it has been granted recently.
I found no english source that stated that, but i just wanted one that explained the story halfway decently.
SoS:NBA GALE Force
"Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent." - Sir Nitram
"The world owes you nothing but painful lessons" - CaptainChewbacca
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." - Wilhelm Stekel
"In 1969 it was easier to send a man to the Moon than to have the public accept a homosexual" - Broomstick

Divine Administration - of Gods and Bureaucracy (Worm/Exalted)
User avatar
D.Turtle
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1909
Joined: 2002-07-26 08:08am
Location: Bochum, Germany

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by D.Turtle »

Yeah, there were a lot of articles (including that USA Today article) at the end of March/beginning of April last year, because that is when the hearings etc started.

The new news now is that they were accepted as political asylum seekers.
User avatar
Sea Skimmer
Yankee Capitalist Air Pirate
Posts: 37390
Joined: 2002-07-03 11:49pm
Location: Passchendaele City, HAB

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Sea Skimmer »

Thanas wrote:I am sure Frederick the Great equals Hitler. :roll:
Hitler certainly exploited the shit out of him in propaganda films, and IIRC he also managed to kill a much higher ratio of his own population then Hitler managed.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 30779
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Thanas »

Sea Skimmer wrote:Hitler certainly exploited the shit out of him in propaganda films, and IIRC he also managed to kill a much higher ratio of his own population then Hitler managed.
To the first - what has that got to do with schools? To the second - I doubt that. Frederick only lost 180.000 troops. And even if he did, what does this have to do with schools?
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs
User avatar
Themightytom
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2818
Joined: 2007-12-22 11:11am
Location: United States

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Themightytom »

"Germany sticks out in the midst of Western Europe for having this harsh repression against parents," Donnelly said. "They have this notion that homeschool creates this parallel society and they deem that as dangerous."


quality control= fear???

"Since when is "the west" a nation?"-Styphon
"ACORN= Cobra obviously." AMT
This topic is... oh Village Idiot. Carry on then.--Havok
User avatar
Alyrium Denryle
Minister of Sin
Posts: 22224
Joined: 2002-07-11 08:34pm
Location: The Deep Desert
Contact:

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Alyrium Denryle »

Themightytom wrote:
"Germany sticks out in the midst of Western Europe for having this harsh repression against parents," Donnelly said. "They have this notion that homeschool creates this parallel society and they deem that as dangerous."


quality control= fear???
No. Being exposed to anything impure is persecution.

By impure, I mean those things called facts, diversity, and critical thinking.
GALE Force Biological Agent/
BOTM/Great Dolphin Conspiracy/
Entomology and Evolutionary Biology Subdirector:SD.net Dept. of Biological Sciences


There is Grandeur in the View of Life; it fills me with a Deep Wonder, and Intense Cynicism.

Factio republicanum delenda est
User avatar
Tribun
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2164
Joined: 2003-05-25 10:02am
Location: Lübeck, Germany
Contact:

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Tribun »

I've read quite a bit about it in the local press. The parents are your sterotypical fundamentalist assholes who don't want to risk their children *gasp* get any new ideas outside of what's written in the 2000 year old hate-book called the bible.

[rant mode on]The stuff they say is the usual.... Persecuited Christians...blah blah blah... school topics not compartible with Christian faith... blah blah blah... The father even made some really bizarre leps in logic, claiming that "in German schools you talk more about witches and vampires, than God". The judge was -judging by his comments- also an asshole who seems to think that everyone not following the american constitution and relegiosity must be in the wrong.[rant mode off]

Now that the rant is over...

I'm just glad that this trash is no longer polluting my country. Interesting fact: even the highest European court fully supported the German laws, but I guess our fundies will claim that they are subverted by evil atheists. Fun fact 2: The rule that students have to visit a school that is officially certified comes from the 1870's. The freshly united Germany did that to ensure that the influence of the Catholic Church on the school system is reduced to a minimum.
User avatar
Dominus Atheos
Sith Marauder
Posts: 3904
Joined: 2005-09-15 09:41pm
Location: Portland, Oregon

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Dominus Atheos »

For those having trouble finding a recent news story about this, here's a good guide.
WaPo wrote:German homeschoolers granted political asylum

Tuesday, January 26, 2010; 8:33 PM

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A German couple who fled to Tennessee so they could homeschool their children was granted political asylum Tuesday by a U.S. immigration judge, according to the legal group that represented them.

The decision clears the way for Uwe Romeike (roh-MY-kee), his wife and five children to stay in Morristown, Tenn., where they have been living since 2008. Romeike says his family was persecuted for their evangelical Christian beliefs and for homeschooling their children in Germany, where school attendance is compulsory.

When the Romeikes wouldn't comply with repeated orders to send the children to school, police came to their home one October morning in 2006 and took the children to school. German state constitutions require children to attend public or private schools and parents can face fines or prison time if they don't comply.

In November 2007, Germany's highest appellate court ruled that, in severe cases, social services officials could remove children from their parents.

After that decision, Romeike said, "We knew we had to leave the country."

"During the last 10-20 years the curriculum in public schools has been more and more against Christian values," he said of his decision to teach his children at home.

The U.S. government can appeal the asylum ruling. A spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined to comment in an e-mail.

The ruling was issued by Immigration Judge Lawrence Burman in Memphis, said Mike Donnelly, an attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association. The judge's opinion was not immediately available.

Lutz Gorgens, German consul general for the Southeast U.S., did not directly address the ruling in a statement e-mailed after the ruling Tuesday, but said German parents have a wide range of educational options for their children. Gorgens said the mandatory school attendance policy ensures a high standard of learning for all children.

"Parents may choose between public, private and religious schools, including those with alternative curricula like Waldorf or Montessori schools," said Gorgens, who's based in Atlanta.

Donnelly said he hopes the ruling will influence public opinion in Germany, and that is part of the reason his group offered to represent the Romeikes.

Romeike said in an interview that when his oldest children were in public schools they had problems with violence, bullying and peer pressure.

"I think it's important for parents to have the freedom to chose the way their children can be taught," Romeike said.

The Romeikes took their three oldest children out of school in Bietigheim-Bissingen in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg in 2006. Romeike said the couple was fined the equivalent of about $10,000 over a two-year period.

"We didn't pay it all because we couldn't," he said. "We went to court and tried to fight against it - without success."
User avatar
Broomstick
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 28846
Joined: 2004-01-02 07:04pm
Location: Industrial armpit of the US Midwest

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Broomstick »

Serafina wrote:
Stark wrote:How does this process work? Did these guys get fasttracked past all the people from actual shitholes who need aslyum from actual danger?
I don't know, but they have lived there for about a year - and it propably helped that they are white christians.
Ah, Morristown, Tennessee... where my in-laws live (well, some of 'em).

It's Appalachia, good ol' mountain folk who are uneducated, backward, and like it that way. Half the people don't listen to radio and don't watch TV, deliberately cutting themselves off from the world - well, except for satellite TV, but they limit their channels to sports and religion (one of my in-laws tried to sell me a box that does that, assured me it was compatible with whatever service I used). Still a high percentage of genuine illiterates, and I've got in-laws who don't even own their own copy of the Bible, there are NO books, NO magazines, NO newspapers in their homes.

They should fit right in.

Here's the article from the Morristown Citizen-Tribune Oddly enough, a lot of this newspaper site is actually video. Well, think about it - this is not a region known for education.
German family granted political asylum: Romeikes moved to Morristown for the freedom to home school
Citizen Tribune
1/27/2010 12:37:56 PM

After more than a year of waiting for his political asylum case to move through the courts, Uwe Romeike – who moved his family from Germany to Morristown in search of the freedom to home school – sat Tuesday afternoon with a television news crew awaiting the call from a Memphis courtroom that could change his life.

He sat there for an hour before the call came. That’s where technology let the Romeikes - Uwe, his wife Hannalore and their five children - down.

What should have been a crystal clear conference call from the courtroom was nothing more than a garbled, static-filled irritation. The call lasted so long; Romeike feared the news must have been bad.

"The quality was very poor. We were waiting and waiting," he said. "We couldn’t understand a thing. I called the attorney afterwards."

That was when Romeike found out his family had been granted asylum after all.

"We were very excited," he said. "We didn’t expect it after this long, noisy sound out of the phone."

What the Romeikes couldn’t hear, Uwe found out later, was the judge going through the case and explaining why the family deserved asylum.

"(He talked about) why this way of dealing with home schooling in Germany is against human rights," Romeike said.

The way Germany dealt with home schooling for the Romeikes was with fines and threats of taking their children away. German law requires that children attend either a public or private school.

The Romeikes – evangelical Christians – took exception to several items in the German public school curriculum including too permissive attitudes about sex and texts that dealt with witchcraft among others.

When the Romeikes wouldn’t comply with repeated orders to send their children to school, police came to their home one October morning in 2006 and took the children to school. They were also fined the equivalent of about $10,000 over two years.

According to the AP, in November of 2007, Germany’s highest appellate court ruled that – in severe cases – social services could remove children from their parents who didn’t send them to school.

After that decision, Romeike told the AP, "We knew we had to leave the country."

On the recommendation of someone who had heard about his plight, Romeike visited Morristown. Shortly thereafter, the classically trained pianist and his family moved to East Tennessee where their pursuit of asylum began.

The ruling can be appealed by the U.S. government. Romeike said they should know in a week whether or not the government will appeal the ruling. A U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement official declined to comment on the case to the AP.

Lutz Gorgens, German consul general for the Southeast United States, did not directly address the ruling in a statement to the AP, but said German parents have a wide range of educational options for their children. Gorgens said the mandatory school policy ensures a high standard of learning for all children.

Romeike and his attorney – Mike Donnelly, an attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association – said they hope the ruling will change some minds in Germany.

"I think it’s important for parents to have the freedom to choose the way their children can be taught," Romeike said.

The ruling did at least gain some attention in their native country; Uwe said he had a bit of a restless night with calls from reporters in Germany who didn’t factor in the time difference.

"It took me two or three calls before I went down to unplug the phone," he said. "I am very tired this morning but feeling great. It’s great to know we can stay completely. It’s a good thing."

Throughout the process, the Romeikes have felt support from their adopted community, Christian and home school groups.

"We are so grateful for all the support – especially for all those who prayed for our case and our family – it’s great to know that there are people out there that want to pray for you and want to help."

Despite the apparent end of a nearly four-year ordeal, the Romeikes’ celebration was decidedly low key.

"We went to Baskin-Robbins to get some ice cream," he said. "We were happy with that."
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. Leonard Nimoy.

Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy

Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice
User avatar
Solauren
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10417
Joined: 2003-05-11 09:41pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Solauren »

Romeike said the couple was fined the equivalent of about $10,000 over a two-year period.

"We didn't pay it all because we couldn't," he said. "We went to court and tried to fight against it - without success."
What's that, they fleed the country while owning fines?

There's the real issue. They lost and owed money, so they ran to avoid paying it.
I've been asked why I still follow a few of the people I know on Facebook with 'interesting political habits and view points'.

It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 30779
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Thanas »

Germany does not mess around when it comes to public education. You can be fined up to 10.000 € every instance of your kid refusing school and/or get 30 days in jail to boot. And that is before they will even start criminal proceedings.

Granted, the process before they start throwing this at you takes at least half a year, but once they can prove that you intentionally make your kid not go to school then the only thing you can do is to bend over. If it comes to pass, you will face jail time and your kids are guaranteed to be placed in foster care.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs
User avatar
Skgoa
Jedi Master
Posts: 1389
Joined: 2007-08-02 01:39pm
Location: Dresden, valley of the clueless

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Skgoa »

So, are there any legal grounds to get the children out of their idiot parents "care"? My first kneejerk reaction was that we should send a team of GSG9 over there and simply take them back, but I guess the US wouldn't be to happy about that. :lol:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

This is pre-WWII. You can sort of tell from the sketch style, from thee way it refers to Japan (Japan in the 1950s was still rebuilding from WWII), the spelling of Tokyo, lots of details. Nothing obvious... except that the upper right hand corner of the page reads "November 1931." --- Simon_Jester
User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 30779
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Thanas »

Skgoa wrote:So, are there any legal grounds to get the children out of their idiot parents "care"?

Sure. This sort of thing qualifies as child neglect and maybe even intentional harm.

However, as the USA has granted them asylum, there is nothign we can do about it. They better not ever come back to Europe, though.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs
User avatar
Akhlut
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2660
Joined: 2005-09-06 02:23pm
Location: The Burger King Bathroom

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Akhlut »

Broomstick wrote:It's Appalachia, good ol' mountain folk who are uneducated, backward, and like it that way. Half the people don't listen to radio and don't watch TV, deliberately cutting themselves off from the world - well, except for satellite TV, but they limit their channels to sports and religion (one of my in-laws tried to sell me a box that does that, assured me it was compatible with whatever service I used). Still a high percentage of genuine illiterates, and I've got in-laws who don't even own their own copy of the Bible, there are NO books, NO magazines, NO newspapers in their homes.
How do they entertain themselves without much television and no reading material? I assume video games are off-limits, too, so what do they do with their free time? Get drunk and watch what little programming they do get?
SDNet: Unbelievable levels of pedantry that you can't find anywhere else on the Internet!
User avatar
Liberty
Jedi Knight
Posts: 979
Joined: 2009-08-15 10:33pm

Re: German Homeschoolers granted asylum in the USA

Post by Liberty »

In my opionion, this has nothing to do with religion. Religion may be the motivator, but the requirement to send children to school has nothing to do with religion.

Do you know any fundamentalist homeschoolers? They believe God has told them to homeschool. They believe that the state is trying to brainwash their children into secularism. And to some extent, they're right. The state does teach its values and what it feels is important in the public schools. These parents disagree. For them, it is a deeply religious matter.
Even compared to bad public schools, parents simply can not educate their children equally well.
*Shakes head*
This is patently false. Have you ever met any homeschoolers? Sure, there are plenty of failures, but that idea that parents cannot educate their children as well as bad public schools is just wrong! You may not know this, but I was homeschooled, K-12, and I received an excellent education. I don't regret it in the least. I received a full tuition college scholarship, my sister received a full tuition and room and board college scholarship, and my brother received a full tuition college scholarship. I have nine siblings still at home, and they are also doing very well. Homeschooling can be very successful, and can be more successful than the public schools. It isn't always, but it can be, and often is.

You may not know this either, but Surlethe and I intend to homeschool our young daughter. Not for religious reasons of course (hell no!) but because we believe it will give her a better education than the failing public school system, and because we want to be close as a family.
Since education is basic right, parents have no right to deny it to their children - in my opinion, this is a form of mistreatement.
You miss the point - these parents AREN'T denying their children the right to an education. I haven't seen anyone contest that the children aren't being educated. They just aren't being educated in the public schools.
Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of. - Benjamin Franklin
Post Reply